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  • #76
    4-3 without a doubt.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Paul
      Originally posted by cardsalltheway
      I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

      Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
      The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
      The Bears run the 4-3...
      The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

      “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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      • #78
        Speaking of a cover 2, what are the basics of that scheme.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Flyboy
          Originally posted by Paul
          Originally posted by cardsalltheway
          I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

          Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
          The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
          The Bears run the 4-3...
          ...and so do the Bills!

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Ravens1991
            Speaking of a cover 2, what are the basics of that scheme.
            DL generates pressure, LBs are fast and get after the ball. Gives up size for speed. Rarely blitz. A lot of zone coverage.

            That is correct comahan
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Flyboy
              Originally posted by Paul
              Originally posted by cardsalltheway
              I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

              Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
              The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
              The Bears run the 4-3...
              The run the Cover Two variation.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Paul
                Originally posted by cardsalltheway
                I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

                Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
                The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
                Yep the 6-4 Cowboys are one of the two best teams in the league. :roll:

                As for the question, I've never liked the 3-4 for one reason or another but I think it is the better defense, because you have essentially 3 DT's on your line and have two OLB's that can edge rush or cover. I just think you can do more with it.

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                • #83
                  i think that the 3-4 is a more versatile defense as you can change it up as the placement, you can put an LB with his hand down to make it the 4-3, etc. I personally dont think that either of them is better, i think that it totally depends on the talent of the team

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                    Don't believe me? Think about who has the best run defenses in the league. Dallas, Pittsburgh, and SD. All 3-4 teams. Who has the best pass defenses? Generally Cover 2 teams, built on speed and 4-3 fronts, like the Bears.
                    Minnesota has been very stout against the run and weak against the pass and they run the cover 2. Although I would probably attribute this to Pat Williams not being a prototypical one gap DT.

                    The growing popularity of the cover two is mainly due to the lack corner backs that have the athletic ability to play man coverage effectively with the new illegal contact rules. Teams are realizing that they cant leave their corner backs on island hence the safety help and dedication to pass rush with the dline.

                    I think you discriminate against the Tampa 2 unfairly because you assume old school ideals that the DT must be the anchors of run defense. The cover 2 can be very stout against the run because jsut like the pass rush comes from unconventional sources (DT's) the run defense comes from unconventional sources (cornerbacks and safetys). Defensive backs have an active roll in the run defense and must always be physical and swarm to the ball. It requires discipline and great instincts from all the players behind the dline. Its affectionally called being "gap sound".

                    Ill admit that Chicago will be less likely stop numerous run plays up the middle on a dime like say the Jaguars. Mistakes by linebackers and dbs will result in a few runs here and there. But the Chicago dlne will be more likely to occasionly break into the backfield and disrupt running plays before they start(see Tommie Harris) Its a give and take. A big weakness of this approach altough is when probowl DB's like Mike Brown or Bob Sanders with great instincts against th run go down to injury, the run D suffers immensely. I have a theory that it is because of their active roll in the run and their smaller sizes than the running backs their throwing themselves at that contribute to their injury problems.

                    Still the biggest advantage of the Tampa 2 in my opinion is being able to have a shut down pass D without breaking the bank on shutdown cornerbacks like Champ Bailey.

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                    • #85
                      The Vikings also don't have the normal cover 2 players.

                      That is correct comahan
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                      • #86
                        Notice the two Tampa 2 "letdowns" in the playoffs last year were Indy and Chicago. Both teams lost their SS for the game. I think these were bigger factors than the dlines.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by draftguru151
                          My defense.

                          OE- Jason Taylor
                          DT- Richard Seymour
                          NT- Jamal Williams
                          DE- Julius Peppers

                          WLB- Keith Bulluck
                          MLB- Brian Urlacher
                          SLB- Adalius Thomas/Marcus Washington
                          can play 3/4 or 4/3

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by cardsalltheway
                            Originally posted by Flyboy
                            Originally posted by Paul
                            Originally posted by cardsalltheway
                            I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

                            Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
                            The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
                            The Bears run the 4-3...
                            The run the Cover Two variation.
                            Damn, you're right. Totally slipped my mind.
                            The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

                            “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by The Legend
                              Originally posted by draftguru151
                              My defense.

                              OE- Jason Taylor
                              DT- Richard Seymour
                              NT- Jamal Williams
                              DE- Julius Peppers

                              WLB- Keith Bulluck
                              MLB- Brian Urlacher
                              SLB- Adalius Thomas/Marcus Washington
                              can play 3/4 or 4/3
                              That is the point. That is my hybrid defense.

                              That is correct comahan
                              I ******* LOVE YOU DG
                              <3 dg

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by draftguru151
                                Originally posted by The Legend
                                Originally posted by draftguru151
                                My defense.

                                OE- Jason Taylor
                                DT- Richard Seymour
                                NT- Jamal Williams
                                DE- Julius Peppers

                                WLB- Keith Bulluck
                                MLB- Brian Urlacher
                                SLB- Adalius Thomas/Marcus Washington
                                can play 3/4 or 4/3
                                That is the point. That is my hybrid defense.

                                he is my Defensive Player of the year so far

                                9 SACKS
                                2 INTS
                                40 TACKLES
                                7 FORCE FUMBLES
                                2 TOUCHDOWNSS
                                100 RETURN YARDS

                                also like 100 hurries

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