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  • #16
    I think he should go because there clearly isn't any respect between coaches and player. I recall an exchange over the summer between fans and Michael Strahan during training camp where he was asked to stop for autographs and he looked at the group annoyed and asked " you gonna pay my fine if I do stop?" ....I think clearly he created a big rift right out the gates with the ridiculous fines and such that these guys never really got over. But how they've handled Eli alone if reason enough to can the entire staff. You invested so much in Eli Manning that it's a duty now to see to it that you get coaches in the fold capable of getting the most out of him, which you don't have now.

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    • #17
      Ive never been a fan of Tom Coughlin. He is a horrible in game manager (ala Herm Edwards) and is not a great Xs and Os guy. He is strictly a disciplinarian.

      The entire coaching staff stinks. Tim Lewis is a moron, and Huffnagel is an absolute idiot. Ok its 3rd and 2 in the 4th quarter, youre up 21-7, and you go EMPTY SET? ON 3RD AND 2 YOU GO EMPTY SET? That sums up our playcalling in a nutshell.

      Tom Coughlin refuses to adjust his playbook and his style to fit his players. He consistently talks about "execution" but refuses to adjust his style so his players can execute better. Thats horrible coaching. If you have Chad Pennington, you don't build Air Coryell around him. And Coughlin refuses to adjust his playbook to help Eli develop. This is the biggest issue I have with him. He has done a horrible job developing Eli. He threw him to the wolves right away, and refuses to help him out with adjustments. Its no coincidence that everyone rips him after losses.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
        Eh....I'm not big on firing coaches on an impluse. They won the division just a year ago. I'd give him another year, and I don't even like Coughlin.
        This is my point. He's a proven NFL coach who has had success.

        Ive never been a fan of Tom Coughlin. He is a horrible in game manager (ala Herm Edwards) and is not a great Xs and Os guy. He is strictly a disciplinarian.
        I beg to differ. He's been known to be involved in alot of playcalling. A Jaguars and long-time NFL observer has said that Coughlin's passing schemes were the most complex (or something like that) that he's covered in his career.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by The Unseen
          Originally posted by bearsfan_51
          Eh....I'm not big on firing coaches on an impluse. They won the division just a year ago. I'd give him another year, and I don't even like Coughlin.
          This is my point. He's a proven NFL coach who has had success.

          Ive never been a fan of Tom Coughlin. He is a horrible in game manager (ala Herm Edwards) and is not a great Xs and Os guy. He is strictly a disciplinarian.
          I beg to differ. He's been known to be involved in alot of playcalling. A Jaguars and long-time NFL observer has said that Coughlin's passing schemes were the most complex (or something like that) that he's covered in his career.
          Thats the problem. Its too complex. Why can't he ease the load on his developing qb? Thats just dumb. Look at how Rivers and Ben entered the league, they were babied. Eli needs to get some help from the coaching staff, they completely threw him to the wolves. Its just dumb. And we've been critical of his playcalling his entire tenior here. Its been horrible, which is why I say he's not a great Xs and Os guy. Because honestly, he's not. He lacks the in game adjustments to be considered good.

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          • #20
            its not his fault eli cant throw and kiwanuka cant tackle

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            • #21
              God I hope not!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DChess
                its not his fault eli cant throw and kiwanuka cant tackle
                It is his fault that he is not putting them in positions to succeed. He is the HC, he needs to get on Tim Lewis's ass about these prevent zones he continues to play. Even after the INT with 40 seconds left, Tennessee has to march 30 yards to get in field goal range. What does Tim Lewis do? Plays his prevent zone. How on earth does that make any sense at all when all they have to do is go 30 yards?

                On offense, the playcalling was erratic in the 2nd half. In the first half, we did shorts, intermediates, screens, nice dose of running....why did we stop? And why did we go for it on 4th instead of kick the field goal? Again, more instances when he is not putting the team in position to win. We started out great with a great gameplan, then for whatever reason (most likely stubbornness), they go away from it, even when it was working.

                And its almost sacreligious to this coaching staff to run the ball "too much". Theres no such thing as that, but this coach feels that way. We couldve ran the ball on every play in the 2nd half and still won this game. We have our pounder in Jacobs to do the job, he scores 2 Tds and was impossible to stop, yet we didn't even use him in the 2nd half...again...who's fault is that?

                Its no coincidence that the players constantly throw him under the bus.

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                • #23
                  Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.

                  The only thing I have not liked about Coughlin is his inability or unwillingness to shake things up. As far as the coaches under him are concerned.

                  As far as the offense being too complex for Eli. Tough. Eli was easily the smartest and most intelligent QB of the draft, a huge part of the reason the Giants fell in love with him. He runs a complex offense and that is a big part of the reason Tiki has had huge years these past two and half seasons. Tiki eats up nickel defenses.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jughead10
                    Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.
                    But the players hate him. I think that puts the owners in a difficult position. If we make the playoffs I think he stays, but a collapse probably means he's fired. I personally would like to see him go regardless, I don't like his coaching.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                      Originally posted by Jughead10
                      Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.
                      But the players hate him. I think that puts the owners in a difficult position. If we make the playoffs I think he stays, but a collapse probably means he's fired. I personally would like to see him go regardless, I don't like his coaching.
                      We have dumb players. Shockey is a top 3 TE but he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't hold much ground when critizing Coughlin. They are getting him the ball now and he is still making comments. I'm not sure what other players hate him either. I don't buy the whole Tiki/Coughlin fued. I think it is non-existant.

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                      • #26
                        Players don't need to love a coach in order to win, people don't realize that. Respect is another thing, and I think Coughlin has the respect of the majority of the players in that locker room. Of course there are some bad relationships here and there, but that happens no matter who the head man is.
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                        • #27
                          Just replace the players instead of the coach! There seems to be quite a few complaints from the players from what I have heard. He either has to gain his players respect quick, which is highly unlikely, or he won't last much longer. However, the players shouldn't be babies and complain about the coaching all the time. They know the game, and if they really want to win, they'd try to get along with the coaches and such more, and work harder. Unfortunately for Coughlin, egos exist.

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                          • #28
                            Im just not a fan of coaches who are not great Xs and Os guys. Coughlin is the kind of coach that gets you over the hump, but he doesn't win the big game because of his lack of adjustments.

                            I personally would like Ken Whistenhunt, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, Dick Lebeau or (my dream that will never happen) John Fox as replacements.

                            For Eli, I think he needs Cameron or Whistenhunt. I personally am a defensive guy, I wouldn't mind Wade Phillips.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                              Im just not a fan of coaches who are not great Xs and Os guys. Coughlin is the kind of coach that gets you over the hump, but he doesn't win the big game because of his lack of adjustments.

                              I personally would like Ken Whistenhunt, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, Dick Lebeau or (my dream that will never happen) John Fox as replacements.

                              For Eli, I think he needs Cameron or Whistenhunt. I personally am a defensive guy, I wouldn't mind Wade Phillips.
                              Eh..I've never been a big fan of Phillips. I remember when he was the coach in Buffalo, he'd often be standing on the sidelines, without a headset, looking clueless.

                              Personally, I feel that Cam Cameron is going to be the hottest commodity on the market this offseason.

                              Also, in regards to Coughlin, it's not like inconsistency hasn't been the theme for the Giants for the past decade or anything. They had their chance with a player's coach in Fassel. They were still horribly inconsistent, never making the playoffs in consecutive years.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by yourfavestoner
                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                                Im just not a fan of coaches who are not great Xs and Os guys. Coughlin is the kind of coach that gets you over the hump, but he doesn't win the big game because of his lack of adjustments.

                                I personally would like Ken Whistenhunt, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, Dick Lebeau or (my dream that will never happen) John Fox as replacements.

                                For Eli, I think he needs Cameron or Whistenhunt. I personally am a defensive guy, I wouldn't mind Wade Phillips.
                                Eh..I've never been a big fan of Phillips. I remember when he was the coach in Buffalo, he'd often be standing on the sidelines, without a headset, looking clueless.

                                Personally, I feel that Cam Cameron is going to be the hottest commodity on the market this offseason.

                                Also, in regards to Coughlin, it's not like inconsistency hasn't been the theme for the Giants for the past decade or anything. They had their chance with a player's coach in Fassel. They were still horribly inconsistent, never making the playoffs in consecutive years.
                                Agreed on Cameron. Also remember when I said this, Gates won't be nearly as good when Cameron leaves San Diego. Cam created him and his play will regress without him. I wouldn't touch any of those other guys except LeBeau and Fox isn't leaving Carolina anytime soon.

                                The one thing about Coughlin is that the players are going to try to win to spite him. Fassel was a **** coach. The players quit on him because they knew he was a lame duck coach and a five letter p word in general. Agreed on players don't have to like the coach just respect him. And I do think most of the players respect him except for a select few who have the brain of a five year old in a man's body.

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