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  • #61
    Originally posted by Jay View Post
    Would you say Tory James is better than Ray Mickens? Would you say Brandon Meriweather is better than Artrell Hawkins? That's all we need. And they are. Asante will be fine. I am not remotely worried. He is one out of 22 starters. The whole team isn't going to fall apart because of Asante Samuel.

    Our offense is set up to be as high powered an offense as there is in the league. Anyone who is legitimately trying to argue that the Patriots offense should not be lethal is absolutely insane.

    And again, I CHALLENGE ANYONE to listen to those interviews from the men who actually established "the Patriots philosophy/winning formula" and tell them they are wrong. I don't want to hear lectures from outsiders who think they know and want to tell me what the "the Patriots philosophy/winning formula" is. I live, eat and breathe this team. I've been here through the whole thing. I think I'm more qualified to make that assessment. Clearly, anyone who thinks the Patriots are doing anything different here is completely misinformed...
    Alright then tell me what the Patriots winning formula is then.
    I've always believed it was drafting to build the team, and going after low cost good character FAs, if any, that didn't hurt your salary cap, because then you'll be able to use that money to extend your own big name talent.

    Oh and I still don't know how your offense will be high powered. Stallsworth hasn't exactly been the model of consistency and durability. Moss takes plays off even when he was in Minnesota and even when he wasn't, teams seemed to have figured him out now.
    Last edited by Xenos; 05-02-2007, 08:30 PM.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Jay View Post
      Thank you captain obvious.
      Well hey, if you are going to make absurd statements in a legit argument, then I'll have to be captain obvious and point that out.


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      • #63
        I don't have to tell you anything, there are two links on the second page where BILL BELICHICK and SCOTT PIOLI can tell you allllll about it. They are right, you are wrong, that's all there is to it.

        And seriously, it's May 2nd. I am not going to spend the next three-four months debating this crap. This thread was started by an idiot Jets fan who wants to stretch anything the Patriots do into something it's not to make him feel better about himself. As proven on the first page, he has started thread after thread in the wake of the draft trying to put the Jets over. Whatever. I am not going to sit here and argue with a bunch of nitwits that think they know more about this team then I do. We can all speculate who is going to do what until we're blue in the face, no one is going to be right or wrong until the season is over. So whatever.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Non_Sequitur View Post
          Well hey, if you are going to make absurd statements in a legit argument, then I'll have to be captain obvious and point that out.
          You mean to tell me it isn't likely that Jonathan Vilma may fall off a boat and get eaten by the Lock Ness Monster? NO WAY!!

          How about if he gets slashed up while camping by Big Foot? Maybe killed in his dreams by Freddy? Maybe pecked to death by Penguins at the North Pole????

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          • #65
            Why should I have to tell you anything? All that information is readily available straight from the horses mouth at the links provided. I'd say Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli are much more qualified to tell you that you are wrong then I am...

            And I've already sited examples. So whatever. You clearly want to believe what you want to believe, so I'll just take solace knowing you're wrong.
            Last edited by Jay; 05-02-2007, 09:38 PM.

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            • #66
              They've signed... no... traded for one superstar level player this offseason. How often does any team sign a "superstar level player" in an offseason? I think it's safe to say the Patriots do it about as often...

              So you are still wrong. They have no signed any "superstar level players" this offseason. They've signed some pretty good players at very reasonable rates.

              And since you clearly are not interested in why you are wrong and clearly have no intention of listening to what the guys who actually run the organization have to say, I'm just going to let that speak for itself. You're wrong. Plain and simple. The Patriots continue to operate under the mantra that they are going to bring in the best players for the best price.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Jay View Post
                They've signed... no... traded for one superstar level player this offseason. How often does any team sign a "superstar level player" in an offseason? I think it's safe to say the Patriots do it about as often...

                So you are still wrong. They have no signed any "superstar level players" this offseason. They've signed some pretty good players at very reasonable rates.

                And since you clearly are not interested in why you are wrong and clearly have no intention of listening to what the guys who actually run the organization have to say, I'm just going to let that speak for itself. You're wrong. Plain and simple. The Patriots continue to operate under the mantra that they are going to bring in the best players for the best price.
                Therein lies the problem. They're paying a lot of money for decent to medicore talent (Wes Walker gets a 20 million dollar, 5 year contract, with 9 million guaranteed?). I mean how do you think most players on your team will feel about that especially since the Patriots paid that much for a utility player and not a starter. Obviously, you'll probably be fine this season but it's going to come back and possibly bite you later along the line when you need to extend some key guys.

                Oh and the links' aren't working for me for some odd reason.
                Last edited by Xenos; 05-02-2007, 10:38 PM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Jay View Post
                  You mean to tell me it isn't likely that Jonathan Vilma may fall off a boat and get eaten by the Lock Ness Monster? NO WAY!!

                  How about if he gets slashed up while camping by Big Foot? Maybe killed in his dreams by Freddy? Maybe pecked to death by Penguins at the North Pole????
                  And the odds of Samuel holding out are 50/50. Something you are avoiding with all of this absurd creatures of myth talk.


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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Xenos View Post
                    Therein lies the problem. They're paying a lot of money for decent to medicore talent (Wes Walker gets a 20 million dollar, 5 year contract, with 9 million guaranteed?). I mean how do you think most players on your team will feel about that especially since the Patriots paid that much for a utility player and not a starter. Obviously, you'll probably be fine this season but it's going to come back and possibly bite you later along the line when you need to extend some key guys.

                    Oh and the links' aren't working for me for some odd reason.
                    welker is going to start as the slot receiver
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Bigburt63 View Post
                      welker is going to start as the slot receiver
                      Slot is considered a "starting" position? I've seen the Jets start the first play in a two TE set, does that mean we can call our 2nd string TE a "starter" too?


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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Non_Sequitur View Post
                        Slot is considered a "starting" position? I've seen the Jets start the first play in a two TE set, does that mean we can call our 2nd string TE a "starter" too?
                        when ur offense consists of mainly 3 wr sets then yes i would consider him a starter. how many teams actually start with a fb in the game consistently?



                        also, this is from the patriots website that has pioli and bellicheck talking about the recent moves (someone said the movie links weren't working.

                        http://www.patriots.com/news/index.c...=25070&pcid=41
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Non_Sequitur View Post
                          Slot is considered a "starting" position? I've seen the Jets start the first play in a two TE set, does that mean we can call our 2nd string TE a "starter" too?
                          The slot position is evolving. I would actually consider a the slot guy to be a starter. Even if they don't meet the strict definition of starting, they contribute enough to an offense to be considered a starter. 3 reciever sets are becoming the standard these days anyway.

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                          • #73
                            Here is what people don't seem to understand: Wes Welker will never, NEVER see his 18.1 million over the next five years.

                            The Patriots saw a player they wanted and they got him. That's all there is to it. That's all there is to it. They didn't overpay. He's guaranteed 9 million over 5 years.

                            Adalius Thomas was the best defensive player on the market this offseason, and was the PERFECT Patriot-type player. The Patriots needed LB's and they got their guy, and they got him for less money then other teams were offering. He's not a superstar, and he's not getting paid superstar money. He will be getting paid well, but that's part of the process. And the Patriots defense is much, MUCH better with him on the team. Not even up for debate.

                            So then there's Donte Stallworth, who signed a glorified one year contract. They are paying him 3.6 million this year. He was the best receiver on the market, and they got him. He will NEVER see any of the other money on his contract. EVER. If your team was weak at the receiver position and they had the opportunity to add the best one on the open market at a decent price, wouldn't you want them to do it?

                            Randy Moss is guaranteed THREE million this year. The Patriots will make that back in jersey sales before the season even starts.

                            This entire conversation is ridiculous. The Pats have won three Super Bowls this decade, and are poised to continue their run as one of the powers of the NFL. That's all there is to it. They are every bit as desperate as every other team in the NFL. No more, no less.

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                            • #74
                              "The Patriots are starting to feel like the Redskins." And while they aren't yet on that level, they are signing malcontents and risky players to good sized money. The Skins would have extended Moss, and the Pats shortened him, but the point still stands that they aren't the team everyone thinks of them as. No longer are they all about Character and good business moves. They are now like so many other teams, all about winning right away.
                              Im not sure about that. The guys they've added are pretty good. Merriweather had one brain fart in a game where nearly everyone had a brain fart. Other than that he is actually clean(honestly, licensed gun in itself says to me he has his head screwed on, I cant remember the last time I heard a pro athlete get in trouble with guns and it was licensed). Welker by all accounts is a Belichek type of guy. Moss is a question mark, but Moss never caused any kind of locker room problems until he was losing. In his early days he had an attitude, but it was just a cocky guy who was winning. He went to the **** when they lost. Sure, he has his problems, but he is extremely talented and they wont take any crap from him.

                              Thomas is just a great signing. You weaken a top rival for the ring, you significantly improve one of your weaknesses. Just a good signing. I've never heard anything bad on Adalius.

                              Stallworth hasnt acted up since he left NO. Same deal as Moss really, once he got out of a god awful situation he was fine. Model citizen even. I mean winning will put things in perspective for most people.

                              I like all the signings, they gave up a little much for Welker, but he is a good fit. The big concern for the Pats at the moment should be getting Asante back and content. He is important to them.


                              Props to BK on the sig!

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Bigburt63 View Post
                                when ur offense consists of mainly 3 wr sets then yes i would consider him a starter. how many teams actually start with a fb in the game consistently?



                                also, this is from the patriots website that has pioli and bellicheck talking about the recent moves (someone said the movie links weren't working.

                                http://www.patriots.com/news/index.c...=25070&pcid=41
                                Thank you.

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