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  • Are the Patriots getting desperate?

    http://espn-mp3-od.andomedia.com/esp...04302007_1.mp3

    Not my words. Listen to the link (starts off with Raiders talk, then goes to the Pats).



  • #2
    No I dont think the Patriots are getting desperate. I think its more of them having supreme confidence in themselves. Guys like Randy Moss, Stallworth, Merriweather, Kelley Washington...other guys might have stayed away from them but the Pats have confidence that anyone they bring into their locker room will get their head straight. And so far, the Pats have been right, but this will really be putting their veteran leadership and coaches to the test to see if they can get these guys to work hard, stay out of trouble and buy into the whole philosophy.

    Another element of it is that the Patriots over the last few years had been pretty content with their roster. They didnt make big signings and they let vets walk when they asked for paydays. During the 06 season, the Pats were good but not dominant and they failed to make the superbowl b/c of a 2nd half breakdown. I think the feeling after that season in the Patriot front office was it was time to reload in talent. After pinching pennies the past couple years they had the cap room to make a splash in FA so they did that to give Bellichick some major talent to work with. In Randy Moss, they saw the opportunity to bring in a great talent for a cheap price and see if Bellichik can get him turned around, he could turn out to be a HOFer still in his prime. He restructured and he only cost them a 4th rounder so I dont see the harm.

    Clearly, the Patriots are thinking superbowl this year and with these moves they should be the favorite. They still have a lot of continuity on the roster so its not as if this is like a redskin team with a whole lot of talented players but not much chemistry. I would describe the Patriots as aggresive, but not desperate because all the moves they made were smart IMO and well thought out. Making Adam Archuleta one of the highest paid safeties in the league...that is a desperate move, giving up what NY did for Eli a few years back was a desperate move. The Pats are aggressively improving their team without overpaying. Are they risking their team chemistry with these moves? Yes, and that is a cause for concern, but its hard to believe that Randy Moss could destroy the chemistry of a team with 3 rings that includes leaders like Brady, Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, etc. Moss will buy into their philosophy or he will find himself sitting on the bench and gone the next offseason b/c Bellichick is not going to put up with any nonsense from him, b/c he doesnt need Randy to win. Also, that defense was slipping a little bit last year but by adding Thomas and Merriweather, they should be much better. Merriweather is a playmaker in coverage which is just what this team needs and Thomas should improve their pass-rush, which needs help but he is so versatile that he will also help them a lot in coverage.

    This is all coming from a bitter raider fan who still roots hard against the Patriots. But I can recognize greatness when it is there and what the Patriots have been doing is great and the way the switched gears this offseason was really quite masterful IMO. And for those who feel differently, we all owe the Patriots the benefit of the doubt b/c theyve made so many other questionable moves that turned out great.

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    • #3
      Also, Randy was willing to restructure his contract in the Patriots favor. He knows that he has to behave because they hold all of the leverage.

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      • #4
        Desperate??? Why would the Patriots be DESPERATE???? They've won three Super Bowls this decade. I love, love, ABSOLUTELY LOVE the way you've gone around this board the last two days trying to say whatever you can to make you feel better about yourself and the Jets. Seriously:

        Jets are sooo much better than the Pats:

        http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...?t=8552&page=2

        Better trade because you wanted everyone to make you feel better about Jones:

        http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...ead.php?t=8590

        And because the fact that the Pats are stack has you feeling insecure, the better draft, Pats or Jets? :

        http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...ead.php?t=8589

        I especially love the way you skewed that one by including guys not even on the team anymore for the Jets, but not including Wes Welker for the Pats or trading Brandon Gorin for a 6th, or hell, even losing a 5th for Doug Gabriel. Thought you'd be all over that. Seriously. Cut the crap. We get it. You have a case of envy and jealousy and you're probably feeling like this is going to be a wasted year. Get over it. It's so old and drawn out.

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        • #5
          Alright, I won't get into the lolinternetswar(as much as I want to) but I will say this; every team is desperate. Every team will do whatever they think gives them the best shot at winning. And if they don't, they really aren't doing their jobs.

          R.I.P. Junior Seau

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          • #6
            I think they know Brady only has so many years left, that's all I'm gonna say. They are abandoning their old plan of being extremely careful to leave cap space and building in the draft and staying away from free agency for the most part.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by myinnerself View Post
              I think they know Brady only has so many years left, that's all I'm gonna say. They are abandoning their old plan of being extremely careful to leave cap space and building in the draft and staying away from free agency for the most part.
              I agree. I think Belicheck leaves when Brady does and they want to get a few more under their belt. Belicheck was so pissed after losing last year and he definately wants some redemption.

              Faithful Niner Fan

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              • #8
                Just hand these guys the Lombardi trophy i would be shocked if they didn t at least make it to the Afc championship


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                • #9
                  I've learned not to criticize the Pats because I have too many times before and they made me eat my words.
                  Originally posted by Paul
                  Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
                  Originally posted by Vikes99ej
                  These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
                  MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

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                  • #10
                    I've actually thought about this myself.

                    Personally, I've come to the conclusion that Belichick is gearing up for one last big run.....a final hurrah before riding off into the sunset.

                    Look at what the guy's accomplished....he won three Super Bowls in four years, and is already regarded as one of the truly elite coaches in the history of the game....arguably the best ever. The man is a living legend, and has accomplished far more in just a few years than most coaches accomplish in a lifetime.

                    Simply put, there's nothing left to prove....his place in football legend is set. There's no way he can improve....the only thing left is the inevitable decline, as Landry and Noll did toward the end of their careers.

                    And quite honestly, I'm not sure Belichick even enjoys it anymore. He sure doesn't look like he does. The only reason he's still doing it is because....that's what he does.

                    On Sirius radio, host Pat Kirwan related an anecdote: Kirwan was standing on the sideline in the final moments of an NFL coach's first Super Bowl victory. As Kirwan turned to offer his congratulations, the coach looked at him and said in all seriousness, "You know, Pat...this is it. This is what it's all about. The dream. And if this is what it is....then I'm not sure it's worth it." Kirwan refused to name the coach, but I have it pegged as either Parcells or Belichick....possibly Mike Holmgren. But my money's on Belichick.

                    Anyway...to bring my rant back on topic.....the Patriots know that all good things come to an end. Right now, they're stacking the deck....first, to give Belichick his grand sendoff, and to have a loaded roster for the next coach who comes in.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by zoinks View Post
                      I've actually thought about this myself.

                      Personally, I've come to the conclusion that Belichick is gearing up for one last big run.....a final hurrah before riding off into the sunset.

                      Look at what the guy's accomplished....he won three Super Bowls in four years, and is already regarded as one of the truly elite coaches in the history of the game....arguably the best ever. The man is a living legend, and has accomplished far more in just a few years than most coaches accomplish in a lifetime.

                      Simply put, there's nothing left to prove....his place in football legend is set. There's no way he can improve....the only thing left is the inevitable decline, as Landry and Noll did toward the end of their careers.

                      And quite honestly, I'm not sure Belichick even enjoys it anymore. He sure doesn't look like he does. The only reason he's still doing it is because....that's what he does.

                      On Sirius radio, host Pat Kirwan related an anecdote: Kirwan was standing on the sideline in the final moments of an NFL coach's first Super Bowl victory. As Kirwan turned to offer his congratulations, the coach looked at him and said in all seriousness, "You know, Pat...this is it. This is what it's all about. The dream. And if this is what it is....then I'm not sure it's worth it." Kirwan refused to name the coach, but I have it pegged as either Parcells or Belichick....possibly Mike Holmgren. But my money's on Belichick.

                      Anyway...to bring my rant back on topic.....the Patriots know that all good things come to an end. Right now, they're stacking the deck....first, to give Belichick his grand sendoff, and to have a loaded roster for the next coach who comes in.
                      Or he can come back home and coach the Giants!!
                      Originally posted by Paul
                      Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
                      Originally posted by Vikes99ej
                      These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
                      MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                        Or he can come back home and coach the Giants!!
                        Like I said.....the inevitable decline.


                        -rep ;)
                        Last edited by zoinks; 05-01-2007, 11:46 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                          Or he can come back home and coach the Giants!!
                          I think its a legit possibility for the reasons he just posted. I was thinking the same exact thing.

                          All these moves he's made are very polarizing compared to his blueprint to success. It seems like he wants one final hurrah before he leaves.

                          The BP 3-4 back in NY baby! I would do backflips for 3 days straight if that ever happened.

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                          • #14
                            I see a last hurrah too, because this team has been extremely conscious of being cap-smart and building to maintain success over a long period of time, but not even remotely over spending in FA, and choosing to build in the draft. This is the exact opposite, so who knows.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                              Or he can come back home and coach the Giants!!
                              Not going to happen. Heard the same thing about Scott Pioli and his "dream" job. Never happened and I told you it would never happened.

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