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  • #61
    Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
    I think he is. He's more of a game changer then most of the QB's you guys mentioned. I watch him week in, week out. and I am telling you that theres something about the guy. I see the guy come through and put us in a position to win games a hell of a lot....

    Im done with this topic and dont need to be baited into continuing this topic. I said my piece, and thats it. agree/disagree i dont really care.....
    The something about him is the fact that you're a Giants fan.

    And yes, he's a game changer, he helps the Giants lose games.


    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
      Intangibles are the worst part of Eli's game. He shows no leadership, he has no pocket presence, he's a *****, and he generally locks up in the clutch. His stats actually make him look better than he really is. As for your list.

      People definately better:
      1)Peyton
      2)Brady
      3)Palmer
      4)Brees
      5)Bulger
      6)McNabb
      7)Big Ben
      8)Cutler
      9)Hasselbeck
      10)Vick
      11)Pennington
      12)Philip Rivers

      People probably better:
      13)Tony Romo
      14)J.P Losman
      15)Vince Young

      People at about Eli's level:
      16)Damon Huard
      17)Steve McNair
      18)Brett Favre
      19)Rex Grossman
      20)Alex Smith
      21)Byron Leftwich
      the difference in my list and yours being that your apparently ready and willing to crown peoples asses after 1 good season....

      and thats it. Eli's demeanor is one of a calm, cool and collected individual. Its his personality. There are enough vocal guys on this team, and Eli is the guy who calms everyone down and leads IN THE HUDDLE NOT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA.


      and i cant even believe that you said Eli locks up in the clutch... you obviously dont watch much Giants cause that is far and away his strong point. And it has something to do with the calm demeanor that you are bashing him for.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Shiver View Post
        Any statistical formula is horrible, when used as the sole evaluating factor. Unless you think David Carr was a better QB last year than Tom Brady was. Even the NFL when they set up the system, stated this:



        NFL.com

        So they never intended the Passer Rating as the primary way to quantify the Quarterback position.
        In that case, I guess I would just like Xonraider to clarify his comment. I don't think it should be the sole evaluating factor. My question then is if that's what Xonraider meant.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
          the difference in my list and yours being that your apparently ready and willing to crown peoples asses after 1 good season....

          and thats it. Eli's demeanor is one of a calm, cool and collected individual. Its his personality. There are enough vocal guys on this team, and Eli is the guy who calms everyone down and leads IN THE HUDDLE NOT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA.


          and i cant even believe that you said Eli locks up in the clutch... you obviously dont watch much Giants cause that is far and away his strong point. And it has something to do with the calm demeanor that you are bashing him for.
          Yes, I would take a player with one good season over a player that has yet to have a good season. Color me crazy.


          Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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          • #65
            10 Reasons Marc Bulger is Underrated
            1) He wasn't drafted early so didn't get a lot of spotlight (6th round)
            2) Hasn't won a Super Bowl (Peyton Manning & Big Ben)
            3) Hasn't won 3 Super Bowls (Tom Brady and the circus)
            4) Hasn't really won in the playoffs
            5) Hasn't fumbled a snap and costed the team the playoffs (Tony Romo)
            6) Didn't lead a team who was 3-13 the year before to NFC Championship game (Drew Brees)
            7) Doesn't do anything special. (No cannon arm or Chevrolegs)
            8) Came in for Kurt Warner who was a total stud. Wasn't anything more special. It went from a 10 to an 8. People might have seen it as a downgrade even though he is still really good.
            9) Hasn't established himself by playing for a gazillion years (Brett Favre)
            10) He plays in the NFC.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
              the difference in my list and yours being that your apparently ready and willing to crown peoples asses after 1 good season....
              And you're ready and willing to crown Eli Manning's after 0 good seasons.

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              • #67
                My personal rankings:

                Tier 1 Players that can perform on a MVP level
                • Peyton Manning
                • Tom Brady
                • Carson Palmer
                • Drew Brees

                Tier 2 Players that are very good, and they help their team's play at a higher level
                • Marc Bulger
                • Donovan McNabb
                • Matt Hasselbeck

                Tier 3 Players that are either unproven, or inconsistent, but more often than not they are productive
                • Tony Romo
                • Philip Rivers
                • Michael Vick
                • Chad Pennington
                • Ben Roethlisberger

                Tier 4 They have the potential to advance, but aren't there yet
                • Eli Manning
                • JP Losman
                • Vince Young
                • Alex Smith
                • Byron Leftwich
                • Rex Grossman
                • Jay Cutler
                Last edited by Shiver; 05-07-2007, 09:47 PM.

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                • #68
                  Okay, the person who said that Bulger isn't underrated because he is not matching what Warner did with the Rams is a fool. Yes, how dare Bulger not be able to duplicate the greatest three year stretch for a QB ever sans Manning 2003-present. Oh, and before you comment back with something questioning my statement about Warner's three year stretch, do some research and look at the stats.

                  As for Eli being a top 10 QB, that is assanine. How can a guy that was outplayed by Jon Kitna be a top 10 QB. Eli had a 77.0 QB rating, good for 18th in the league last year. How bout the year before last? A rating of 75.9, 23rd in the league, behind Plummer, Brad Johnson, Brunell, Warner (yes the very one he replaced even though the Giants were 4-3 at the time and winning the division), Holcomb, Bledsoe, Simms, Collins, and Dilfer. Yes, Eli is truly amazing.

                  Manning/Brady
                  Palmer
                  Bulger
                  Brees
                  McNabb
                  Then I think there is a significant drop-off to the next group that contains the Hasselbecks, Romos, Rivers, and Losmans of the world, and Manning is towards the bottom of this tier.

                  I am done arguing, until somebody says something stupid.

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                  • #69
                    I think Vince Young should be in the Tier 3 because he is the definition of "Players that are either unproven, or inconsistent, but more than otherwise they are productive"

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by kalbears13 View Post
                      I think Vince Young should be in the Tier 3 because he is the definition of "Players that are either unproven, or inconsistent, but more than otherwise they are productive"
                      I think you're taking Shiver's line a bit too strictly. He thinks that Vince Young is a fourth tier QB.

                      Am I correct?

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                      • #71
                        Bruce Gradkowski is the best QB in the league. I just can't put my fingertips on why it's so, but it just is what it is. He's the best in the game, there's just something about the guy. He's so calm and cool on the field, his demeanor says it all. I just watch him week in/week out and think "wow, he's unstoppable". The only reason Brucey isn't well-liked is because of that calm demeanor. Everyone just hates calm people. Did I mention he has very dark, tan skin? I know I shouldn't crown his ass after one good season, but he is just special, you wouldn't understand.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by nfrillman View Post
                          Okay, the person who said that Bulger isn't underrated because he is not matching what Warner did with the Rams is a fool. Yes, how dare Bulger not be able to duplicate the greatest three year stretch for a QB ever sans Manning 2003-present. Oh, and before you comment back with something questioning my statement about Warner's three year stretch, do some research and look at the stats.
                          I never said he wasn't underated, but that has certainly held him back, and to act like it hasn't is what is foolish.


                          Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                            My personal rankings:

                            Tier 1 Players that can perform on a MVP level
                            • Peyton Manning
                            • Tom Brady
                            • Carson Palmer
                            • Drew Brees

                            Tier 2 Players that are very good, and they help their team's play at a higher level
                            • Marc Bulger
                            • Donovan McNabb
                            • Matt Hasselbeck

                            Tier 3 Players that are either unproven, or inconsistent, but more often than not they are productive
                            • Tony Romo
                            • Philip Rivers
                            • Michael Vick
                            • Chad Pennington
                            • Ben Roethlisberger

                            Tier 4 They have the potential to advance, but aren't there yet
                            • Eli Manning
                            • JP Losman
                            • Vince Young
                            • Alex Smith
                            • Byron Leftwich
                            • Rex Grossman
                            • Jay Cutler
                            Thats a fair assessment I suppose.... But does anyone actually think that any of the guys you listed with Eli are better then him (minus rookies who are kind of an unknown)? I have him a "tier" up from you and its apparently a huge deal to this board....

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
                              Im done with this topic and dont need to be baited into continuing this topic. I said my piece, and thats it. agree/disagree i dont really care.....
                              (10 characters)

                              #MoncriefArmy

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
                                Thats a fair assessment I suppose.... But does anyone actually think that any of the guys you listed with Eli are better then him (minus rookies who are kind of an unknown)? I have him a "tier" up from you and its apparently a huge deal to this board....
                                Yes, pretty much everyone.


                                Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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