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  • #16
    This is copied from my thread that got locked that I made when this one was made I guess.

    Well since there is an NFC East and someone wanted an AFC North one I figured I might as well do it.

    Run Game - This is the trickiest thing in the AFC North to rank just because of all of the uncertainties. Is Chris Perry going to be healthy? Will the Browns o-line hold up, can Jamal Lewis return to his own form? Will McGahee emerge as a top 5 back in Baltimore, will Fast Willie Parker run wild this year?

    1. Pittsburgh Steelers - Like I said this is a tough thing to rank, but Pittsburgh is known for running the ball and Willie Parker is a homerun hitter. He may not be the biggest of guys, but he has a decent offense around him, I was tempted to put the Bengals in the slot but I don't know if Chris Perry will be there to back up Rudi Johnson.

    2. Cincinnati Bengals - Rudi Johnson is on a team that has a top 5 passing attack in the league, even though they lost Chris Henry for half a year, the pass will open up the run game, and the run will open up the pass. If Chris Perry does manage to come back and play to the level I think he can, this team will have a great run game.

    3. Baltimore Ravens - Adding a rookie left guard (Who I respect and like) to replace Mulitalo was a good move, but Ogden is getting older and doesn't play at the level he used to. I really think McGahee is a good back, but the line isn't good enough in my mind to put them above the Bengals.

    4. Cleveland Browns - Just not enough to rank them ahead of anyone, their o-line should be a ton better this year, but no one knows if Jamal Lewis will be back to what he used to be.

    Passing Game

    1. Cincinnati Bengals - There is no explanation needed here, they have one of the best passing games in the league with CJ and TJ and with Palmer throwing them the ball. When Chris Henry gets back look out NFL.

    2. Pittsburgh Steelers - I Don't believe that the passing game for the Steelers is too great, but they have Ward, Holmes, and Miller with Roethlisberger throwing the ball. If Ben can stay healthy all year I think they will have a consistant year throwing the ball.

    3. Cleveland Browns - This could be #2 but the question marks are too large to put them ahead of Pittsburgh. Winslow and Edwards are both coming into their own, the problem is no one knows who is going to be throwing them the ball. Frye or Quinn, it could be good, or it could be really bad.

    4. Baltimore Ravens - I don't have any more faith in Steve McNair, and the only target I really trust is Todd Heap, so this is why they are ranked last.

    Run Defense

    1. Baltimore Ravens - They have tremendous speed and size in their front seven, not to mention DB's who are willing to come up and help stop the run.

    2. Pittsburgh Steelers - Even though they lost a great player in Porter they got 2 rookies that I believe can have an impact from the first game, I rank them ahead of the Browns/Bengals poor defense.

    3. Cincinatti Bengals - Pollack and Thurman probably wont play this year ( I haven't heard otherwise ) so I believe their front 7 is in trouble.

    4. Cleveland Browns - Good linebackers, very questionable D-Line.

    Pass Defense

    1. Baltimore Ravens - Ed Reed, Chris McCalister, Landry, Samari Rolle... The only weak link is Rolle here, I give the Ravens my #1 spot.

    2. Cleveland Browns - Big surprise maybe? Leigh Bodden is my boy and a shut down corner in my mind, Eric Wright should start day one, he may get abused early in the season, but I think he turns out to be a good player THIS year. Sean Jones is a stud and could have made the pro-bowl last year. Brodney Pool is the biggest question mark and he has been deemed the best athelte on our team, so I hope he lives up to the hype.

    3. Pittsburgh Steelers - Not great but not bad.

    4. Cincinnati Bengals - The big question here is whether or not Leon Hall can contribute from game 1.

    Special Teams

    1. Cleveland Browns
    2. Baltimore Ravens
    3. Pittsburgh Steelers
    4. Cincinnati Bengals

    Place in the division

    1. Ravens
    2. Bengals
    3. Steelers
    4. Browns

    I don't like posting records this far away from the season, but thats how I see the division panning out.

    Like the other guy I ran out of time towards the end and have to go, tear it apart and have fun

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    • #17
      1) Cincy
      2) Baltimore
      3) Pittsburgh
      4) Cleveland
      This division will have the best combined record out of division



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      • #18
        I don't know why the Ravens are worse than the Browns in the passing game. Te's Winslow isn't that much better than Heap and Heap is more consistent and gets more TD's. Mark Clayton who had 1,000 yards last year is Derrick Mason in the making and they have Derrick Mason too as well as young gun Demetrius Williams and hopefully Yamon Figurs could do something. Lastly I'd take McNair or even Boller for that fact over Frye and day as well as over Quinn, I expect Quinn to have high INT numbers and inconsistency problems as all rookie QB's do, plus I didn't have Quinn as that super prospect.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ghettosermon View Post
          I'll do a big writeup when I have time, but the Ravens are the class of the division. Arguably the best defense and special teams in the NFL is backed up by a solid veteran QB in Steve McNair, an elite TE Todd Heap, a pro bowler in the making Mark Clayton as well as a former pro bowler Derrick Mason and rising star Demetrius Williams, and their line has potential for greatness and at the very least solid.
          what about their line is so great??, i see a lot of young guys who were good in college, but havnt done much yet in the pros

          ogden is the best one on the line, and he almost didnt comeback this year... he's old

          adam terry will moat likely have to step in as you all lost pasos, and he is relatively new in starting on the line

          who will the guards be?
          grubbs.. a rookie

          brown who again is youing and unproven or
          vincent who is solid, but nothing to write home about

          then you got chester at center, again is young and unproven

          im not going to say your line is bad by anymeans, and yes it can eventually be a good line, but you have really a new line, how can that not be a question mark for you all?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
            Hmmm....
            1-Baltimore (11-5)
            2-Cincinnati (10-6)
            3-Pittsburgh (9-7)
            4-Cleveland (7-9)
            It's almost inconcievable for a division to be five games over .500 collectively with the way the schedule is set up. I highlly doubt all four teams' records will be that good.

            In fact, since the new schedule came out in 2002 it hasn't happened yet. 4 games above .500 happens once every year or every other year, but with the strength of the AFC I don't see it this year. In fact last year the highest any division was above .500 was 2 games.
            Last edited by bearsfan_51; 05-09-2007, 02:53 PM.


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            • #21
              Just to address a few things regarding the steelers:
              From what I see here, I can gather that people have identified a few similar weakness with the team, namely the pass rush, the pass defense, offensive weapons and RB depth.

              1. The pass rush
              I honestly believe the pass rush will be much improved this year even with the loss of Porter. Porter and Haggans were sluggish last year and it was obvious that their age was starting to catch up to them. The coaches have made a commitment to improving this as evident in our first two selections. Expect Timmons and Woodley to see lots of action in pass rushing situations with Woodley coming off the end either with his hand or off the ground and Timmons lined up in a wider variety of positions. Rookie linebackers have been shown to be able to make an immediate impact as pass rushers and I believe that the new youth at the position will be like a shock for our pass rush and greatly increase our ability to get after the quarterback which in turn will help our...

              2. Pass defense
              True, Taylor had a sub-par year last year but the guy had a solid year in 2005 and has all the physical tools he needs to be a solid cover corner. Mike Tomlin has a history of improving young CBs (including Ronde Barber) and I think that under his tutelage, Taylor could do good things. Opposite him, look for Bryant McFadden to take over for an aging Deshea Townsend and bring with him a swagger in to the position. McFadden has shown very promising ability and like Taylor I believe he will improve under Tomlin. The real wild card in this secondary is whether Anthony Smith will take over for Ryan Clark right away at FS. Clark was solid last year but unspectacular while Anthony Smith has quickly emerged as a fan favorite and has shown the ability to both be a ballhawk and level receivers over the middle. However, he did make some mistakes in coverage last year but that is to be expected from a rookie. Plus he did a high-steppin boombox.

              3. Offensive weapons
              The two most intriguing stories for the Steelers' passing game this year could be the development of Santonio Holmes and the new roles of the TEs. Santonio had a very solid rookie season amassing over 800 yards even though he did not see siginificant PT much of the beginnning of the season. This year I look for him to have a break out season and emerge as a very solid compliment to Hines on his way to becoming a legitimate number one in the coming years. Heath Miller has shown that he can be a very solid receiving TE but under Cowher the TE has not seen many opportunities since Eric Green. The new o-coordinator Bruce Arians has made a commitment to running more multiple TE sets which will allow Heath to do many different things including splitting out wide. While some may see this as just talk, I believe Arians cemented his commitment to this new scheme with the selection of Matt Spaeth in the third round. Spaeth is a solid receiver and lined up with Miller he will give the Steelers two big 6-5 and 6-7 TEs with reliable hands that could do wonders in the red zone.

              4. RB depth
              Its common knowledge that the Steelers don't have much behind Willie but the team didn't feel like there was a RB worth taking when they selected in the draft. Instead, they signed a couple UDFA RBs including Gary Russell, who if motivated, could prove to be a steal in a couple years. Apparently he's already down to 217, which is a promising sign being that he was 230 at the combine. In the short term, its been widely reported that the Steelers are close to signing Kevan Barlow to a one year deal. He could be a solid back-up to Willie this year. With Parker, Barlow, and Davenport, the Steelers could have some solid depth for this year and the team could look to add another young back in next year's depth.

              So those are my opinions on some of the weaknesses that people have addressed.
              However, my main concern with the team this year is the line's ability to protect Ben in the pocket, something that they did a very poor job of last year. Hartings retired, and while he was solid for many years, he played too long on those old knees and could not handle big NTs. I think that Mahan, while unspectacular, will be an upgrade over Hartings in pass blocking and if a big mauler like Chris Kemoeatu or Willie Colon takes over for Kendall Simmons, they could do a much better job helping the center deal with big interior lineman than Simmons did last year. On the outsides, Max Starks was a typical Russ Grimm o-lineman, huge and sluggish, and Marvel Smith is better suited at RT. Willie Colon, although I feel he would make a better G, could possibly take over for Starks at RT and would show a nasty demenor that Starks lacks. I think the biggest upgrade the team made to their pass protection this year was the commitment to multiple TE sets. With extra TEs on the field it could cause opposing teams LBs to have to drop back into coverage instead off all out blitzing like they did much of last year.

              So these are just a few of my thoughts on the Steelers this year, take them as you will.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by mikehop05 View Post
                what about their line is so great??, i see a lot of young guys who were good in college, but havnt done much yet in the pros

                ogden is the best one on the line, and he almost didnt comeback this year... he's old

                adam terry will moat likely have to step in as you all lost pasos, and he is relatively new in starting on the line

                who will the guards be?
                grubbs.. a rookie

                brown who again is youing and unproven or
                vincent who is solid, but nothing to write home about

                then you got chester at center, again is young and unproven

                im not going to say your line is bad by anymeans, and yes it can eventually be a good line, but you have really a new line, how can that not be a question mark for you all?
                Brown and Chester both got a considerable amount of playing time last year. Alot of people are saying we downgraded with the loss of Edwin Mulitalo last year but he didnt even play most of the year.

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                • #23
                  I really think Pittsburgh gonna win this Division. Cinncy and Baltimore 9-10 win area and Browns 4-6 wins.
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                  What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                  • #24
                    LT- Ogden is coming off of a pro bowl year, I definetly think he will do well but maybe not pro bowl quality
                    LG- Jason Brown had a lot of improvment and gain expierence, I think he can play around Mulatalos level at LG
                    C- Ask ERU, Chester will probably be a improvment over Flynn
                    RG- Vincent isnt that great, Vincent used on a lot of pulls so I think Grubbs will accell at RG
                    RT-This is tough and up in the air because Terry is a converted LT.

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                    • #25
                      I don't feel like going into specifics in terms of records but Cinci and Baltimore should duke it out for 1st place and then Cleveland and Pittsburgh should be going for 3rd. On paper, that's how it all looks. Everyone except Cleveland has a pretty good running game. Cleveland has a pretty solid line, but Jamal is just trash. Big Ben will determine much of the Steeler's success. If he can be the efficient play he used to be, they are almost a lock for a record over .500. Injuries will happen and screw some team unfortunately. I like Cinci's offense, but I still don't like their D, they give up too many points and arent the same as they were in 05 in terms of turnovers. They will be able to replace Steinbach and Irons should be a big play threat. The loss of Henry will hurt for those first 8 games. They need a TE to step it up or Perry to come back to provide that missing production. Their Dline is still not great at run stopping, although they have significantly improved, and Peko was great. They lost some proven vets on D and will have trouble replacing their leadership. Raven's O is questionable, but Grubbs will solidify that left side and Ogden, despite not being as great as he used to, is still one of the better lineman in the league. Brown who started 12 games last year will start at the other guard and vet Mike Flynn will most likely start out as the C. Only question mark is how well Terry makes the transition from LT to RT. Other than that, they have good weapons and a servicable backup Qb in case McNair gets hurt. And their D should be good again. Steelers have to pass protect better and the C position is up in the air. They added good youth to the D thru the draft. Kevin Barlow will be a good addition to the backfield. Their corners have to step it up. Their D is still 3-4 but did not play as well last season against the pass in general and were lacking in big plays. Very inconsistant. Browns have good depth on the DL, but not a bigtime playmaker. Wimbley will become a great player and they have other good LBs. Their secondary is good. Sean Jones is very underrated and Brodney Poole is solid. If Baxter and Bodden return well from injuries and don't get hurt again, they'll have a solid pass defense. And Winslow and Edwards aren’t making the big plays they need, plus they have too much youth at QB.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mikehop05 View Post
                        what about their line is so great??, i see a lot of young guys who were good in college, but havnt done much yet in the pros

                        ogden is the best one on the line, and he almost didnt comeback this year... he's old

                        adam terry will moat likely have to step in as you all lost pasos, and he is relatively new in starting on the line

                        who will the guards be?
                        grubbs.. a rookie

                        brown who again is youing and unproven or
                        vincent who is solid, but nothing to write home about

                        then you got chester at center, again is young and unproven

                        im not going to say your line is bad by anymeans, and yes it can eventually be a good line, but you have really a new line, how can that not be a question mark for you all?
                        As someone already said, all these guys you're calling inexperienced other than Grubbs saw significant action last year. The whole thread is premised in speculation and a logical person would speculate that our line will be improved next season.
                        Do you really think Grubbs won't be an upgrade? If so you've obviously never seen or interior OL play. Flynn=worst center in football, so anyone, Chester, Brown, whoever, will be an upgrade there. Terry is at least as good a talent as Pashos who was no more than average, and he's had three years now to get comfortable with playing on the right side. Our OL will be better, there's no question about it, barring injury.

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                        • #27
                          Should McNair stay healthy and play all year then the division looks like this...

                          1. Cincinnati
                          2. Pittsburgh
                          3. Baltimore
                          4. Cleveland

                          If McNair misses some games and we get a chance to have Kyle in there getting the ball downfield to our playmakers in Clayton and DWill then...

                          1. Cincinnati
                          2. Baltimore
                          3. Pittsburgh
                          4. Cleveland
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                          • #28
                            I like Cinci's offense, but I still don't like their D, they give up too many points and arent the same as they were in 05 in terms of turnovers. They will be able to replace Steinbach and Irons should be a big play threat. The loss of Henry will hurt for those first 8 games. They need a TE to step it up or Perry to come back to provide that missing production. Their Dline is still not great at run stopping, although they have significantly improved, and Peko was great. They lost some proven vets on D and will have trouble replacing their leadership.
                            Most of this is spot on for the Bengals. Losing Henry does hurt, he's such a weapon on this offense.

                            Losing Brian Simmons on D hurts from a leadership standpoint but not a play standpoint and Tory James was a locker room cancer who couldn't play on the field.

                            Our interior D line was great against the run last year. Where we struggled was off the ends and when our LB's had to bring the guys down. Once a RB got off the edge and into the LB's area that's when tackles weren't made. I'm hoping we'll get some stability out of the LB's last year. For something like 6 straight weeks the LB's had a different alignment last year (Caleb Miller, Ahmad Brooks, Landon Johnson, Brian Simmons, Rashad Jeanty, David Pollack all started at some point and many at multiple positions).

                            Deltha O'Neal was PO'd last year with his contract situation. The Oline got paid and he didn't, most of us believe he's one of the 'selfish' players Marvin pointed out at the end of last year. If/When Leon Hall shows he can play near Delthas level he will start.

                            Johnathan Joseph, Ahmad Brooks and Madieu Williams really need to step it up next year. If they can manage that the defense can be adequate enough when accompanied with our offense to be a serious force. Joseph needs to learn how to catch at least 1/4 of the balls he gets his hands on, Brooks needs to mature and become a playmaker to an extent at MLB and Madieu Williams needs to play at the level he did in '05 before hurting his shoulder. Madieu was the charge in our defense but last year he was merely above average, he just didn't play at the level he did before being hurt in '05.

                            Bottom line is our defense is full of potential but the guys have a long way to go before it is reached. Robert Geathers, Ahmad Brooks, Madieu Williams, Johnathan Joseph, Domata Peko and Rashad Jeanty all have high ceilings... Our defense is really banking on at least a few of them to grow a great deal next year. That's a lot to ask for.

                            Our offense will be better than it was last year. Believe it or not Carson really didn't play to the level he can reach last year. The addition of Irons is big for our running game. Marvin likes the 2 back systems and Rudi really needed a change of pace guy last year to break things up. Having Levi Jones back is massive and although the injuries slaughtered the Oline last year it has strengthened them in terms of depth and the ability to adapt to new lineups.

                            I fully expect the offense to improve and I expect the defense to improve as well... To what extent I'm not sure.

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                            • #29
                              I remember Kyle Boller, ERU, I remember.
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                              <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
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                              What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                              • #30
                                My predictions record wise:

                                1. Bengals - 12-4
                                2. Ravens - 10-6
                                3. Steelers - 8-8
                                4. Browns - 3-13

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