Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

NFC North Thread

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    Originally posted by Shiver View Post
    He's no worse than Brett Favre is at this point.
    Yeah he is. You're basing Grossman off what he could be, not what he is.

    Hitman D

    "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." - Henry David Thoreau

    Comment


    • #47
      Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
      Non-homer, give me a break dude. If you judge the teams in the North by looking at them, there is no doubt that Chicago is the class of this division. Even a majority of the Packer fans on here will admit that.

      Is it an indication that we're a shoe in for the title? No it's not, but to sit here and call us homers for saying the Bears are going to win the division is ridiculous.
      We'd like to keep an open mind in this thread, thanks. Right now, it's anybodies game.

      Hitman D

      "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." - Henry David Thoreau

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by Nitschke-Hawk View Post
        The Bears won't be 13-3 or better this year. They have a murderous schedule. It's not as much about who they play, cause that's tough enough, but it's when they play. If I make predictions at all I'm gonna wait, it's still far too early, you can get a better sense of how the team will be in preseason/training camp. Right now it's all just a sheet of paper vs. a sheet of paper.
        You realize you have basically the same schedule as we do don't you? If our schedule is murderous, so is yours. You play SD, KC, Denver, Oakland, NYG, Dallas, Philly, Washington, Detroit (2), Minnesota (2), Chicago (2), and two other games that will be separate from ours. I believe we have New Orleans and Seattle, which are two of the top teams in the NFC on paper.

        You guys went 8-8 on a pretty soft schedule last year, so you're going to have just as hard a time with the schedules for next year as we will.


        Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

        Originally posted by JBCX
        Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

        Comment


        • #49
          Originally posted by Boston View Post
          We'd like to keep an open mind in this thread, thanks. Right now, it's anybodies game.
          Sure it is, but to call someone a homer for saying Chicago is going to win the division is completely ludicrous, considering we are the favorites right now on paper.


          Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

          Originally posted by JBCX
          Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

          Comment


          • #50
            Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
            Sure it is, but to call someone a homer for saying Chicago is going to win the division is completely ludicrous, considering we are the favorites right now on paper.
            Sometimes in "arguements" like these, all you need to do is look at the poster, and stop arguing. This is one of those cases.

            Hitman D

            "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." - Henry David Thoreau

            Comment


            • #51
              Originally posted by Boston View Post
              Sometimes in "arguements" like these, all you need to do is look at the poster, and stop arguing. This is one of those cases.
              Haha will do. I don't mind people saying the Packers because as much as I hate to admit it, they are most likely our biggest challengers for the division. Chicago and Green Bay are the two most balanced teams in this division and I think that's what separates them from Minnesota and Detroit.


              Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

              Originally posted by JBCX
              Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

              Comment


              • #52
                Originally posted by neko4 View Post
                This man has a great mind

                All NFC North Team
                QB:Brett Favre GB- Has 2nd best WR core in division and is just as talented as the other QB's in the division. OL will show improvements too.
                Prediction: 3800yds 20tds 15ints Honorable Mention: Jon Kitna DET

                RB: Kevin Jones DET- Its boom or bust year for him and the WR's should spread out the D for him.
                Prediction: 1400yds 10tds

                RB: Cedric Benson CHI- Same story for Benson. Better line though.
                Prediction: 1300yds 11tds Only reason i didnt say AD/Taylor is because they could share carries therefore deflating stats.

                TE: Greg Olsen CHI- Will have an immediate impact and become Grossman's best friend and replace the aging Clark.
                Prediciton: 50rec 550yds 4tds Honorable Mention: Desmond Clark(Really poor TE's in this division)

                WR: Roy Williams DET- Kitna will have alot of passing yards this year and most of his passes will go to Williams if he is healthy.
                80rec 1200yds 8tds

                WR: Donald Driver GB- Jennings will be a bigger threat and will get double teams off Driver, but at the same take catches away from him.
                75rec 1200 6tds

                WR: Calvin Johnson DET- WIll have a Randy Moss-type impact. Furrey could also go here, but CJ is more talented.
                60 1000 6tds


                More to come. If you think a player should be on here just tell me. I really just made it for fun
                Continued...

                LT: John Tait CH
                LG: Steve Hutchinson MIN
                C: Olin Kruetz CHI, who else?
                RG: Daryn Colledge GB, maybe some hommerism here
                RT: Chad Clifton GB
                Honorable Mention: ROberto Garza CHI

                DE: Aaron Kampman GB, should be able to put up similar stats this year. Probably not as good due to teams noticing him more, but he should still be a force.
                Predicted: 70tcks 12.5scks

                DE: Mark Anderson CHI, I think he'll become a full time starter and become a sacks leader in the NFL. May struggle early
                Predicited: 50tcks 14scks
                Honorable Mention: Adawele Ogunleye CHI

                DT: Tommie Harris CHI, if he stays healthy then this is definite IMO.
                Predicted: 45tcks 3scks

                DT: Fat Williams MIN, is a huge force against the run and will clog holes.
                Predicted: 45tcks 1sck
                Honorable Mention: Kevin Williams MIN

                LB: Nick Barnett GB, can stop the run and play coverage. Should be a pro bowler
                Predicted: 120tcks 2sck 2ints

                LB: Brian Urlacher CHI, Brian Urlacher
                Predicted: 150tcks 1sck 1int

                LB: AJ Hawk GB, if Lance Briggs doesnt come back it could very well be AJ Hawk. Will have better experience in his 2nd year.
                Predicited: 115tcks 3scks 1int
                Honorable Mention: Ernie Simms DET

                CB: Charles Tillman CHI
                Prediction: 60tcks 6ints
                CB: Al Harris GB
                Prediction: 65tcks 3ints
                CB: Antoine Winfield
                Prediction: 80tcks 3ints
                Honorable Mention: Nathan Vasher CHI/Charles Woodson GB

                S: Nick Collins GB
                Prediction: 65tcks 4ints
                S: Darren Sharper MIN
                Prediction: 55tcks 5ints

                KR/PR: Devin Hester 3-4 KR/PR's



                Sig thanks to Bonekrusher

                Comment


                • #53
                  If healthy, Mike Brown is the best safety in this division IMO. I hope he can stay on the field this year.


                  Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

                  Originally posted by JBCX
                  Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
                    You realize you have basically the same schedule as we do don't you? If our schedule is murderous, so is yours. You play SD, KC, Denver, Oakland, NYG, Dallas, Philly, Washington, Detroit (2), Minnesota (2), Chicago (2), and two other games that will be separate from ours. I believe we have New Orleans and Seattle, which are two of the top teams in the NFC on paper.

                    You guys went 8-8 on a pretty soft schedule last year, so you're going to have just as hard a time with the schedules for next year as we will.
                    I really don't think our schedules are as tough as some people make it out to be. The NFC East doens't really scare me next year, and the Cheifs and Raiders aren't anywhere near competition. Not saying it will be a walkthrough, but it's not an impossible scedule.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                      I really don't think our schedules are as tough as some people make it out to be. The NFC East doens't really scare me next year, and the Cheifs and Raiders aren't anywhere near competition. Not saying it will be a walkthrough, but it's not an impossible scedule.
                      It's still tougher than the one we had last year though. NFC West and AFC East...Yucky!


                      Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

                      Originally posted by JBCX
                      Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

                      Comment


                      • #56
                        Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
                        It's still tougher than the one we had last year though. NFC West and AFC East...Yucky!
                        The Bears should sweep the East and split the West and we should split both. Sure I'd rather have the AFC East and NFC South again, but it's no that bad.

                        Comment


                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Ewing View Post
                          If actually think Rex Grossman is a better current quarterback than Brett Favre, then you're a nutcase. Brett Favre actually preforms well in the fourth quarter.
                          Brett does indeed perform well in the 4th quarter... but it's been his performance in the first three quarters over the past few years that have lost the Packers a lot of games.


                          Sig by me... Hold the applause.

                          Comment


                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Nitschke-Hawk View Post
                            I like the majority of your post. But a couple large corrections need to be made here.

                            Aaron Kampman led the NFC North in sacks by 3.5. He had 15.5. I agree that the Bears have the best pass defense because that's their focus. Green Bay had 46 sacks last year, the most of any full time 4-3 team so let's not discredit that. The next closest 4-3 defenses were Seattle & Carolina with 41. Bears had 40 but I think they Bears pass rush has more impact on the game, they forced so many turnovers off of their pass rush.

                            Tillman is very good but Vasher is overrated. People are still living off of his interceptions two years ago. He's also strictly a Cover 2 corner. Tillman could definitely play well in another scheme. Vasher has good ball skills but struggles mightily against big receivers. Boldin and Roy Williams come to my mind. Both of their contracts are coming up after the season, if the front office could only agree on one contract they'd choose Tillman, they've got another Vasher like player in the nickle package, it's Ricky Manning JR, they're almost the same.

                            Nick Collins' play had very little to do with Woodson and Harris. It was either the other safety, or linebackers who made the initial mistake. CB's didn't cost him much at all. Al Harris was the same athlete last year as he was the previous year, Woodson isn't as athletic as he used to be, but was the Packers best play maker and covers the deep ball extremely well. The miscommunications in the Packers defense were talked about a lot last year and it reflected on Nick Collins as much as anybody. I mean he is a safety, the last line of defense, and so is Marquand Manuel, the other guy who got a lot of blame. I'd like to point out there were 6 new starters on the defense last year, and how well the defense played towards the end of the year.

                            You also can't say the Packers pass rushing is so-so. I know sacks become overrated at times but when you have 46 of them, 4th highest in the league, it's far from so-so. Most people judge a pass rush on sacks/hurries. If one chooses to use that criteria the Packers pass rush was the best.

                            At the very least the Packers defense should be in the top 15 in both points and yards in my opinion. Chances are all the starters will be the same. 2nd year under the same defensive coordinator, Bob Sanders, every returning starter, and just young players getting better. There is continuity on the defense for the first time since the Packers were last in the playoffs. Hawk is 23, Barnett is 25, Brady Poppinga is 27 but going into his 2nd full season, Nick Collins is 23, Aaron Kampman is 27, Ryan Pickett is 27, Cullen Jenkins is 26, and Corey Williams is 26.

                            All those players are in their prime or about to enter it. Most of them are considered good players by most people already. Not to mention Justin Harrell the 1st round pick this year, and Aaron Rouse. I haven't added Harris/Woodson to the equation yet. People seem to like to dis these guys cause they're getting older or something but they're a top 5 CB tandem.

                            I didn't intend to go on this much but it is the NFC North thread, so it turned into a bigger post instead of a couple corrections.
                            Just a few things.

                            Conceded on the point that Kampmann is good, and that he had 3 more sacks than Anderson (i think i switch their numbers on my spreadsheet). Kampman is the power behind the line. But, to compare anderson and kampman is really apples and oranges seeing that anderson is a situational rusher and kampmann is a 3 down end. Where the bears line makes their gravy is in the Forced Fumbles. The Bears are 4 over the Pack. Anderson alone had as nearly as the Packers line, and played maybe 100 less downs than they did together this season. KBG has turned from good into mediocre lately (over the past 2 years), he's not the same pass rush threat he used to be. Period. Yeah, his run blocking skills have gotten better. There's still no comparison.

                            Now, Manuel should deserve some of the blame for the the lack of deep coverage, but he doesn't have the same talent and probably esteem that i hold Collins to. He's a great player, and not all of it can fall on his shoulders, but I can't fairly say that he should be held to the same standards as Manual. To say that Harris hasn't lost anything is silly. I wouldn't believe that, pair him up with some speed reciever, he doesn't have the same command that he did say, three years ago. Yeah, they're more versitile than say, Tillman and Vasher, but out of productivity? They were passed at around 9 times more a game than Woodson and Harris (based on average attempts/gm, not individual throw-ats). Why? Because running against the pack was easier. Chewed up time. And most of the time, the bears had a lead, defended it, forced the playing from behind passing game, and thus... even though on paper harris and woodson may look better... they're not. Yeah, vasher isn't the strongest, he doesn't have great height, but he plays aggressively on the ball, and works VERY well with mike brown. Woodson/Harris didn't have the same communication when passing off recievers in zone to the safeties... not to say after mike brown got injured the safeties became a liability in the bears defense too. It really is a special relationship. Manuel and Collins had like 10 allowed TD's last year.

                            By the way, i'm drunk right now. I should be getting to bed. But i'm not finished.

                            46 sacks are 46 sacks. 10 Line FF's to 5 Line FF's are another.

                            okay, i'm done. i have to pass out. ugh.drunks.
                            http://i38.tinypic.com/2aj2s7t.jpg
                            For a good time call (303) 499-7111.whitspacsig by steel man

                            United: "I actually went to the college I root for"

                            Comment


                            • #59
                              Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
                              Oh you're back, great.

                              The thing that separates Chicago from any other team in this division is their Special Teams. When you've got arguably one of the best kickers in the NFL, the best return man in the NFL, and one of the best punters in the NFL on your side, it's going to win you games and I don't think anyone is mentioning that right now. Hester is a great field position tool to have, Robbie is extremely consistent, and Maynard is awesome pinning teams inside the 20. That and we have one of the best kick and punt coverage games in the NFC. We don't make too many mistakes on punts and kickoffs.

                              Again keep bashing Rex, but statistically he was the best QB in the North last year (TD's vs INT's). And if Rex can't get it done, Brian Griese is a very reliable backup to have.
                              Who lost the Super Bowl for you? Oh yeah, that's right, Rex Grossman. Who has proven to be liability to the team? Oh yeah, that's right, Rex Grossman. Who has even more people in the media riding his back now after choking like a punk in the Super Bowl? Oh yeah, that's right, Rex Grossman. Who lets the media bother him? Oh yeah, that's right, Rex Grossman.

                              The guy is the worst starting quarterback in the NFL. I'd rather have the revolving door in Miami than have him as my quarterback. At least then I would be losing and knowing it rather than winning and all of the sudden losing because of some dumbass quarterback. Face it, this guy sucks. There is no way to defend him. He's the Lamont Thompson of quarterbacks. Not one good quality.

                              While Hester is the best return man in the NFL, return men don't win championships. Plus, Super Bowl losers are known to preform far worse in the following season. I'm saying 6-10 because of the hangover and Rex. You'll have fun with a new first round quarterback next year.

                              Comment


                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Boston View Post
                                Yeah he is. You're basing Grossman off what he could be, not what he is.
                                Not really. Admittedly Favre was slightly statistically better than Grossman last year, and obviously more consistent, but to base your decision for the division purely off the quarterback position is stupid. This isn't Peyton Manning vs. Tim Rattay. They are pretty close in terms of production at this point in their careers.


                                Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X

                                Debug Information