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    Eli Manning is the Next John Elway...

    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

    -both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

    -Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

    - their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

    Elway

    1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
    1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
    1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

    Eli

    2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
    2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
    2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

    I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

    - Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



    Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.

  • Shiver
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    Originally posted by Zim3031
    Is this thread implying that if Eli was not struggling this year, than he would not be the next Elway? But now that he is struggling he will be Elway?

    If he was not struggling, the thread will be "LOL @ teh Haters, Manning is just like Carson Palmer."

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    "As for this thread. Does anyone else feel like making an Eli Manning thread? I mean, it's not like we just had an 8+ pager less than a week ago. This is really getting ridiculous. This is last new one that will be made. Anymore Eli Manning threads will not just be closed, they will be deleted. If you want to talk about Eli Manning, you can dig up one of the old ones and post in there, or you can all get together to discuss Eli Manning's facial complexion and tight butt in the Giants thread."


    well sorry but I have been on this forum for less then a week. Am I suppose to research every topic that has ever been discussed here before posting or what?

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  • nobodyinparticular
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    ^ It would seem yes...



    As for this thread. Does anyone else feel like making an Eli Manning thread? I mean, it's not like we just had an 8+ pager less than a week ago. This is really getting ridiculous. This is last new one that will be made. Anymore Eli Manning threads will not just be closed, they will be deleted. If you want to talk about Eli Manning, you can dig up one of the old ones and post in there, or you can all get together to discuss Eli Manning's facial complexion and tight butt in the Giants thread.

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  • Zim3031
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    Is this thread implying that if Eli was not struggling this year, than he would not be the next Elway? But now that he is struggling he will be Elway?

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  • Smooth Criminal
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    I really hate when people make these kinds of predicitons about players. All it does is make Eli look like a huge diaspointment even if he plays well if he doesn't outplay Elway which very few people do. He already has to live with being copared to his brother and always being expected to be as good as him. I just think people need to stop setting Eli up to be a disapointment.

    If his name wasn't Manning people wouldn't consider him to be a huge bust at this point. But since his name is Manning people expect him to be his brother right now and that just isn't fair.

    Plus he has to deal with the pressures of New York but he picked that poison.

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  • bigbluedefense
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    Re: Eli Manning is the Next John Elway...

    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    Originally posted by bigbluedefense
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    Originally posted by Paul
    Originally posted by 80Giants10
    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

    -both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

    -Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

    - their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

    Elway

    1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
    1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
    1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

    Eli

    2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
    2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
    2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

    I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

    - Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



    Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
    God your an idiot.


    It never gets old.
    Upper class pwns bourgeoisie
    The bourgeoisie is the upper (and middle) class.
    I thought it was the upper middle class and middle class? Eh, whatever.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bourgeoisie

    Dictionary.com says its just middle class, but Ive heard it pertains to upper middle as well.

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    Originally posted by DeathbyStat
    This a horrible comparison any that this comparison is apt is really dumb. Elway carried teams to super bowls by himself. Elway's mobility and arm strength are legendary. Elway might be the last true franchise QB to appear in the NFl

    This is a joke, Elway is a hall of famer, Eli has three years under his belt, what a joke
    Umm Peyton Manning? Among quite a few others. That statement made no sense.

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  • DeathbyStat
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    This a horrible comparison any that this comparison is apt is really dumb. Elway carried teams to super bowls by himself. Elway's mobility and arm strength are legendary. Elway might be the last true franchise QB to appear in the NFl

    This is a joke, Elway is a hall of famer, Eli has three years under his belt, what a joke

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  • bearsfan_51
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    Re: Eli Manning is the Next John Elway...

    Originally posted by bigbluedefense
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    Originally posted by Paul
    Originally posted by 80Giants10
    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

    -both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

    -Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

    - their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

    Elway

    1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
    1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
    1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

    Eli

    2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
    2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
    2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

    I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

    - Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



    Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
    God your an idiot.


    It never gets old.
    Upper class pwns bourgeoisie
    The bourgeoisie is the upper (and middle) class.

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  • eacantdraft
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    Originally posted by 80Giants10
    where does the myth that Eli has good Recievers come from? Shockey is not utilized enough, but he is a great TE. Other then that, he has nothing. Plaxico is not a #1 reciever. he would be a great #2 but thats it. Toomer is out, but he is a middle of the road #2...

    Tiki rarely catches passes. There is absolutely no depth at WR and we dont even have a #3 Wideout. Eli has garbage to throw too since Toomer went out. And even before that, his recieving crew was middle of the road
    Love how you throw Eli's teammates under the bus, especially since you are wrong. Shockey get lots of catches, but he is a ball hog who wants more. A tight end is rarely a # 1 receiver anyways.

    Burress has had 3 1,000 yard seasons in his career and is much better than average.

    Tiki gets about 50 catches per season under Eli. That's better than Shaun Alexander.

    The Giants want to limit the number of times Eli throws. The Giants are never going to have a high flying Rams like offense under Eli. That's not Giants football and that is not effective playing outdoors in NY in November and December.

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  • bigbluedefense
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    Re: Eli Manning is the Next John Elway...

    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    Originally posted by Paul
    Originally posted by 80Giants10
    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

    -both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

    -Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

    - their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

    Elway

    1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
    1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
    1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

    Eli

    2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
    2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
    2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

    I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

    - Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



    Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
    God your an idiot.


    It never gets old.
    Upper class pwns bourgeoisie

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  • bearsfan_51
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    Re: Eli Manning is the Next John Elway...

    Originally posted by Paul
    Originally posted by 80Giants10
    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both the #1 pick in the draft. They were both traded for the 4th player chosen in the draft along with other players and picks.

    -Eli Manning and John Elway were both drafted by teams that they never played for, and demanded a trade.

    -both Eli and Elway were Hiesman finalists, but didn't receive the award

    -Eli and Elway were both drafted first in drafts rich in the Quarterback position (Marino and Jim Kelly, Phil Rivers and Big Ben)

    - their stats through 3 seasons are almost identical. Just take a look

    Elway

    1983 123/259 47.4% 1,663 yards 7 TDs 14 INTs
    1984 214/380 56.3% 2,598 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs
    1985 327/605 54.0% 3,891 yards 22 TDs 23 INTs

    Eli

    2004 95/197 48.2% 1043 yards 6 TDs 9 INTs
    2005 294/557 52.8 3762 yards 24 TDs 17 INTs
    2006 314/530 59.0% 3486 yards 25.3 TDs 20 INTs

    I projected Eli's last 4 games of 2006.

    - Eli looks a lot like Elway with his fourth quarter heroics.



    Peyton Manning may be the next Dan Marino, but Eli is the next John Elway, who has the rings.
    God your an idiot.


    It never gets old.

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  • bigbluedefense
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    Originally posted by njx9
    Originally posted by eacantdraft
    Elway had success in his 2nd year. The team went 13-3 and would have won the playoff game against Pittsburgh if Reeves would have pulled Elway after he injured his groin and put in Kubiak.
    sure, although i'm not sure that record was so much evidence of elway's success or not (as his numbers weren't all that great). that season, he reminded me more of jake last year. not a bad guy behind center, but certainly not the sole reason for the team's success like he was later in his career.

    The teams that Elway took to the Super Bowl in the 80's had no business of even being in the playoffs. Sammy Winder at RB and the 3 amigos at WR were not exactly Pro Bowlers. It was Elway and a turnover producing defense that got them to the Super Bowl where they inevitably met a much stronger NFC team.

    Eli style is no where similar to Elway. Eli is not good at throwing on the run. He's more mobile than Peyton, but is not a runner. Eli also has a possible future HOF at RB and upper eschelon WR's, but has yet to score his first playoff points. He gives the typical Manning performance in the playoffs.

    Elway and his father saw Baltimore for what it was, a horrible franchise. Eli and his father showed they could judge talent if it was right in front of them.
    absolutely. like i said, i think the comparison was poor, but most people are speaking as if john was not only great his entire career but like everyone loved him. realistically, that wasn't ever true. i don't personally think eli's a bust, as i think if he had a different last name people would view him differently, but to each their own there.
    I loved the defensive scheme that mid 80s Broncos defense ran. It was very complex, and a great 3-4/4-3 hybrid. Probably the best hybrid Ive ever seen in terms of Xs and Os.

    While Elway had no help on the offensive side of the ball the same can be said of Eli on the defensive side. Eli's defense consisted of 4th string LBs in the playoffs last year, which was the real reason why we lost. We couldn't stop them, and in turn, Eli forced something to happen and got picked off as a result of it on the offensive side of the ball. Even this year, the defense has been our achilles heal, all thanks to Tim Lewis, mediocre safeties, and injuries.

    Im one who says theres no way you can make the comparison. Eli has a long way to go before he's Elway, but I also noticed how everyone here thinks that Elway was great his whole career. Elway had a career 55% completion rating. You don't hear anyone here talk about his accuracy issues.

    While I agree that the Eli Manning supporters have no business talking right now, I also believe that Eli gets unfair criticism. Its like he's judged on a different measuring stick from everyone else.

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    where does the myth that Eli has good Recievers come from? Shockey is not utilized enough, but he is a great TE. Other then that, he has nothing. Plaxico is not a #1 reciever. he would be a great #2 but thats it. Toomer is out, but he is a middle of the road #2...

    Tiki rarely catches passes. There is absolutely no depth at WR and we dont even have a #3 Wideout. Eli has garbage to throw too since Toomer went out. And even before that, his recieving crew was middle of the road

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