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  • #16
    Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
    I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.
    was the last time that happened brett favre and barry sanders?

    oh my , how the times have changed, there used to be two MVPs in the NFC nordie.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by TitleTown088
      Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
      I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.
      was the last time that happened brett favre and barry sanders?

      oh my , how the times have changed, there used to be two MVPs in the NFC nordie.
      I believe the last time it happened was Peyton Manning and Steve McNair.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by duckseason
        Originally posted by alca1992
        Originally posted by cardsalltheway
        How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable
        cause the awrd is most valuable player and even tough i think LT has had a better year then brees and in my opinion the best RB in a long long time. drew has just been more valuable to his team

        By definition, the better player is more valuable. I don't know where all this "he's more valuable to his team" crap started, but it's always been annoying to me. Seems to me Ladainian is more valuable to his team anyway. Remember how they were teammates? Seems as though the Chargers are doing just fine without Brees. Anyway, my point is that "Most Valuable" means just that. Think of them as diamonds. Who shines brighter? Who has less flaws? Who is more valuable? If they had an award for MVP of all time, Tomlinson's season this year would likely have the best odds at winning it. It really isn't even close in my opinion. Brees is definitely having an MVP worthy year, and he would likely win it in most seasons. It's just too bad it coincided with perhaps the greatest individual season in the history of the game.


        not at all, especially when your comparing to a QB to a RB. Because a QB is WAY more important.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TitleTown088
          Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
          I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.
          was the last time that happened brett favre and barry sanders?

          oh my , how the times have changed, there used to be two MVPs in the NFC nordie.
          McNair and Manning a few years ago.

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          • #20
            The # of tds for LT will win it for him.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by BuddyCHRIST
              Originally posted by duckseason
              Originally posted by alca1992
              Originally posted by cardsalltheway
              How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable
              cause the awrd is most valuable player and even tough i think LT has had a better year then brees and in my opinion the best RB in a long long time. drew has just been more valuable to his team

              By definition, the better player is more valuable. I don't know where all this "he's more valuable to his team" crap started, but it's always been annoying to me. Seems to me Ladainian is more valuable to his team anyway. Remember how they were teammates? Seems as though the Chargers are doing just fine without Brees. Anyway, my point is that "Most Valuable" means just that. Think of them as diamonds. Who shines brighter? Who has less flaws? Who is more valuable? If they had an award for MVP of all time, Tomlinson's season this year would likely have the best odds at winning it. It really isn't even close in my opinion. Brees is definitely having an MVP worthy year, and he would likely win it in most seasons. It's just too bad it coincided with perhaps the greatest individual season in the history of the game.


              not at all, especially when your comparing to a QB to a RB. Because a QB is WAY more important.
              You're right, a QB is more important to a team. I agree. So, I guess we should just give the MVP to the best QB every year then.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
                I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.
                i wouldnt mind that

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                • #23
                  Brees has an argument for mvp but offensive player of the year is without a doubt LT


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                  • #24
                    The pro-Brees line of thought would be more plausible had Carson Palmer won it or co-won it with Alexander last year. Looking at the context of last year; Palmer had a breakout season, he was the top QB, playing for a losing franchise. Very much Brees-esque. Another thing to notice, while Brees has put up an awesome amount of passing yards, his team has four losses, all of which came while Brees had 300+ yards passing. He put up some gaudy stats, but half of his 'big' games have come in garbage time in four losses.


                    Shaun Alexander, while having the Touchdown and Rushing Title records, hardly was on the field in passing situations. Alexander padded his stats against dreadful run defenses, such as Arizona, St Louis and San Francisco six times, Houston, Tennessee, Indianapolis when resting starters, Green Bay, Atlanta. Tomlinson has had a much tougher schedule than Alexander had, and has destroyed his production from last year, while being a force on passing downs. Also, can anyone say that Tomlinson has the help that Alexander had last year?

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                    • #25
                      It's a shame that these two players are having such great seasons at the same time, one of them has to be snubbed.

                      That said, I'd give it to Tomlinson hands down. The only other legitimate red zone threat on that team is Gates, LT is making the difference between touchdowns and field goals. Over the course of a season that can make a HUGE difference in a team's success. Not to mention the guy has broken an NFL record with three whole games left! He has an oppurtunity to finish with a touchdown count in the mid 30's. That's absolutely insane.

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                      • #26
                        LT, but it's real close

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                        • #27
                          LT will win this one. He not only has broken the TD record with 3 weeks remaining, but he plays on the hottest team in the league right now. Brees deserves this award; No doubt. But LT is just unreal.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Shiver
                            The pro-Brees line of thought would be more plausible had Carson Palmer won it or co-won it with Alexander last year. Looking at the context of last year; Palmer had a breakout season, he was the top QB, playing for a losing franchise. Very much Brees-esque. Another thing to notice, while Brees has put up an awesome amount of passing yards, his team has four losses, all of which came while Brees had 300+ yards passing. He put up some gaudy stats, but half of his 'big' games have come in garbage time in four losses.


                            Shaun Alexander, while having the Touchdown and Rushing Title records, hardly was on the field in passing situations. Alexander padded his stats against dreadful run defenses, such as Arizona, St Louis and San Francisco six times, Houston, Tennessee, Indianapolis when resting starters, Green Bay, Atlanta. Tomlinson has had a much tougher schedule than Alexander had, and has destroyed his production from last year, while being a force on passing downs. Also, can anyone say that Tomlinson has the help that Alexander had last year?
                            Even though I hate the Chargers LT deserves that record more than Alexander does. SA didn't even deserve it then, he let Maurice Morris get him to the 1-yard line and then made Holmgren sub him in. He in no way, shape or form deserved MVP. This year, LT did it with as you said a MUCH harder schedule, and did it while being much more dominant, and not havgin what is widely considered the best offensive line in football.


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                            • #29
                              A case can be made for Brees.

                              Brees turned the Saints around, they have been bad for years but now 9-4? Brees and the Saints turned it around quick.

                              LT is dominating though and does deserve the award, but either way saying that brees should win does not make him a "dee dee dee" (also Carlos Mencia deserves to be shot)

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                              • #30
                                LT. Any time a RB rushes for more TD's than a QB throws for, you know he's having a special season.

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