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  • #16
    Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
    Yeah but when healthy Dan Morgan is one of the best linebackers in the league and easily better than Barnett and Tatupu, Davis is better than Hawk as well.

    about a .003% chance of him ever being that so why say it.

    no water
    my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
    <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
    <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
    <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
    Originally posted by Hermstheman83
    What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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    • #17
      Dan Morgan is yet to finish a season in his 6 year career, for once I agree with Bored of Education that the "if healthy" argument holds no water.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
        Yeah but when healthy Dan Morgan is one of the best linebackers in the league and easily better than Barnett and Tatupu, Davis is better than Hawk as well.
        But Dan's never healthy, that's the thing. And Davis is not better than Hawk, sorry. Not at least in my opinion.

        You've got an injury prone LB, a rookie LB, and an inexperienced LB who while talented still needs to learn the game. That does not qualify them being the best LB core in the NFC, and I'd still take GB's over yours.


        Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

        Originally posted by JBCX
        Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by remix 6 View Post
          wow Panthers @ 12! behind Vikings..Rams..Saints?

          i would take a healthy Morgan-Beason-Thomas anyday of the weak over any other LB group
          Beason=Unproven

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Acreboy View Post
            Beason=Unproven
            Morgan = Hasn't played a full season in his 6 years

            Davis = Talented but still inexperienced

            Unless you are a blind homer I don't see how that equates to being a top tier LB core in the NFC.


            Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

            Originally posted by JBCX
            Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
              Morgan = Hasn't played a full season in his 6 years

              Davis = Talented but still inexperienced

              Unless you are a blind homer I don't see how that equates to being a top tier LB core in the NFC.
              Well that's because you don't have:

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              • #22
                Originally posted by cunningham06 View Post
                Well that's because you don't have:

                Haha +1 rep.


                Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

                Originally posted by JBCX
                Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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                • #23
                  yeah he gets some repdizzle for that
                  my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                  <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                  <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                  <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                  Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                  What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                  • #24
                    D-WARE woo!

                    Thanks BoneKrusher^

                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_j52DziMy4 (the man)
                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=2g6S3Anto7c
                    KO KNOWS

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Acreboy View Post
                      Beason=Unproven
                      okay so why are Vikings so high? They add in Greenway..unproven. Leber is not very good..Henderson is good though.

                      Willis is unproven so why are 49ers so high?

                      Derek Smith blows..i've seen him a few times and the 49er fans have bashed him. Moore i dont know much about..Lawson will be a good player but how much has he proven?

                      thats why i brought Beason up..the site put in Willis and Greenway .

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by remix 6 View Post
                        okay so why are Vikings so high? They add in Greenway..unproven. Leber is not very good..Henderson is good though.

                        Willis is unproven so why are 49ers so high?

                        Derek Smith blows..i've seen him a few times and the 49er fans have bashed him. Moore i dont know much about..Lawson will be a good player but how much has he proven?

                        thats why i brought Beason up..the site put in Willis and Greenway .
                        Looking at that list.. you could probably put any team from 5 on down in any order and you'd probably get the same reactions. None of those teams really stand out in terms of total LB cores.

                        As far as Moore who you don't know much about though. He is by far one of if not the most underrated linebacker in the entire NFL. He excels at rushing the passer he plays the run like Trotter in his prime and his has the strength of a 300lb DT. Not to mention..



                        Look at those guns.. guy is a beast. I'd go as far as saying he's a top 5 LBer in the NFC, but that's probably just the homer in me saying that.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
                          But Dan's never healthy, that's the thing. And Davis is not better than Hawk, sorry. Not at least in my opinion.

                          You've got an injury prone LB, a rookie LB, and an inexperienced LB who while talented still needs to learn the game. That does not qualify them being the best LB core in the NFC, and I'd still take GB's over yours.
                          Hawk is good, but he doesn't use his hands as well and Davis who's much, much better at shedding blocks.

                          I'd put the two equal in run and pass support but Davis is better against blockers and through traffic, though hawk probably has been gap discipline.

                          As for Morgan i agree, he needs to learn to stay healthy, but he's still better than Barnett when healthy.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
                            Hawk is good, but he doesn't use his hands as well and Davis who's much, much better at shedding blocks.

                            I'd put the two equal in run and pass support but Davis is better against blockers and through traffic, though hawk probably has been gap discipline.

                            As for Morgan i agree, he needs to learn to stay healthy, but he's still better than Barnett when healthy.
                            Hawk is a playmaker, Davis is not. Hawk is incontrovertibly better than Davis.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
                              Hawk is good, but he doesn't use his hands as well and Davis who's much, much better at shedding blocks.

                              I'd put the two equal in run and pass support but Davis is better against blockers and through traffic, though hawk probably has been gap discipline.

                              As for Morgan i agree, he needs to learn to stay healthy, but he's still better than Barnett when healthy.
                              Barnett has been infinitely more consistent and dependable than Morgan throughout his career. Ask anybody who is the better linebacker heading into next season and it's Barnett everytime.

                              I don't really see your argument about Davis and Hawk. Hawk uses his hands as well as anybody to shed blocks. That's far from his weakness.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by cunningham06 View Post
                                Hawk is a playmaker, Davis is not. Hawk is incontrovertibly better than Davis.
                                Are you kidding me?

                                You've just argued yourself out of this discussion. Thomas Davis is the definition of playmaker. Rich McKay himself, who's been amazing when drafting linebackers over his career as a GM said "He's the Braylon Edwards of defensive players" when referring to the draft class of 2005.

                                He's by far the best tackler on the Panthers team, he's also the best blitzing linebacker and is the best blitzing linebacker we've had for years. He ran stride for stride with reggie bush in coverage and only gave up one play when he was checked at the line of scrimmage on a crackback from Colston.

                                He's been the guy who's shut Vick down the last two years and stopped him from being the play maker he is against every one else.

                                Davis is not a play maker? You've never seen him play.

                                Hawk and Davis are almost the exact same player, the difference between the two is that hawk has about ten pounds on Davis, but Davis runs a 4.5 forty and can actually blitz. Hell, Thomas Davis has covered slot receivers in the past. His versatility allows the Panthers to stay in their base defense even when teams come out three wide.

                                He can cover, he can blitz, he uses his hands brilliantly to shed blockers and last year more than once for example against new orleans fought off a tackle to drop inside down the line and stop McAllister for a loss behind the line. He's got a nose for the ball and can trail. The kid is inexperienced and yes, he needs to learn to read play fakes and not to over pursue when chasing down players, but he's fast on his way to being a probowl player.

                                Coming out scouts were comparing him to Ray Lewis and saying he's the next great linebacker.

                                Hawk is known to struggle as a blitzer and can be tied up by blockers because he lacks the height most SLBs have and because he doesn't have quickness to always beat the running back to the corner.

                                Davis does both those things better, the only advantage Hawk has is he's better at reading a play. Which will come to Davis in time.

                                Davis, last year was more important to our defense than anyone not named Kris Jenkins, Julius Peppers or Ken Lucas.

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