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  • #16
    Re: bleeehhh

    Originally posted by Komp
    Considering there is a good chance either him or Deangelo Hall get into the ProBowl I will pick my poison with Harris.
    DeAngelo Hall will not be in the Pro Bowl, and if he is it's a crime.


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    Originally posted by JBCX
    Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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    • #17
      Lee Evans beat Al Harris deep three times, but Losman only hit him once.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Shiver
        Lee Evans beat Al Harris deep three times, but Losman only hit him once.
        are you sure that wasn't Manuels fault not harris's? Many of the yards roy willliams got in week 3 were when the safties were covering him... nick collins got burned for a long TD in that game, not harris. I dunno if he deserves it, he has been solid. I think woodson deserves it more than harris. The guy is playing injured every week and he still lead the NFL in takeaways at 7. but the thing with either one of these guys making the probowl is that they bolth are playing on one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. thanks shotty.

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        • #19
          hes not tied for first in picks. before stats updated its 7. and now its 8 with Samuel and Bailey

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          • #20
            Originally posted by remix 6
            hes not tied for first in picks. before stats updated its 7. and now its 8 with Samuel and Bailey
            yeah well when i was watching the game he was so oh well. Anyways those are bolth AFC guys.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by sweetness34
              Here you go PackerMang:

              Week One: Moose 102 yards

              Week Two: Joe Horn 88 yards

              Week Three: Roy Williams 138 yards

              Week Four: Reggie Brown 63 yards

              Week Nine: Lee Evans 58 yards

              I'll stop there.
              It should be noted that Al Harris only played his side for weeks 1 through 3. From weeks 4 till now, he's been man with who the Packers determined was the team's best WR. Also, Charles Woodson has been on the 2nd WR, and thus his stats are better than Harris'.

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              • #22
                NO!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH OF THIS AL HARRIS IS GOD ******** FROM PACKER FANS, ITS SICKENING, STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!

                Newman, Sheppard, Brown, and Ronde Barber are all ahead of him.

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                • #23
                  I don't think Harris deserves it, he played SO bad the first couple of games that I think it takes him out of consideration. I haven't seen many games since week 4, but the ones I did, he played quite well. It IS the safeties and lbers that have been giving up the big plays. The Packers don't always play man coverage. No team ALWAYS plays man coverage. When they do, the top 2 recievers don't do a whole lot. But then the TE or the number 3 reciever just dominates Dendy and Poppinga.(How many non packer fans have even ever heard of those guys? Hell, how many packer fans have heard of them until the starting getting bent over in the passing game this year?) Then as soon as Woodson or Harris release the receiver to the safeties, well, that is the problem. Collins will occasionally make a play, and Manual, I don't know what the **** he does when a receiver comes in his general direction. He acts like he should be playing for St. Mary's School for the Blind and Deaf. Hell, there have been times when I am sure that I could cover better than he could. At least I am able to follow my responsibility. He always tends to double the short guy with the corner who released the outside man on a fade, and leave the guy going deep to be covered by air.

                  Guess what Big Blue, Roy Williams and Chad Johnson both have said he is one of the best corners in the league. I will say that I believe he is underrated here, but a lot of that is because there are so many people who overrate and act like he is the best corner of all time. So it kind of turns people off. There is a new Al Harris thread as often as there is a new Mike Vick thread. Both of whom are underrated by the majority of posters on this site, and overrated, by many of the others.
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                  • #24
                    so you're actually saying that almost every single big play given up was by the safeties? are you implying that the packers now play almost exclusive cover 2, or are you just making lame excuses?

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                    • #25
                      Have you watched the games? Just about every big play was given up by the safeties or the nickleback. NOT ALL, but most. Cover 2 isn't the only defense that has safeties deep... Most of the deep passes(in the games I have seen) were either when the packers were in Cover 2 or Cover 3, and many of them were deep posts that the player ran right by either of the safeties. Then when Ahmad Carrol was still on the team he gave up about 430195783214650912340176450726346529086309259230 pass yards. Now Patrick Dendy isn't much of an upgrade. Yes, both Harris and Woodson have given up some plays, BUT SO DOES EVERY CORNERBACK!!!
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by someone447
                        Have you watched the games? Just about every big play was given up by the safeties or the nickleback. NOT ALL, but most. Cover 2 isn't the only defense that has safeties deep... Most of the deep passes(in the games I have seen) were either when the packers were in Cover 2 or Cover 3, and many of them were deep posts that the player ran right by either of the safeties. Then when Ahmad Carrol was still on the team he gave up about 430195783214650912340176450726346529086309259230 pass yards. Now Patrick Dendy isn't much of an upgrade. Yes, both Harris and Woodson have given up some plays, BUT SO DOES EVERY CORNERBACK!!!
                        cover 2 is one of the FEW defenses in which the cornerbacks have zero deep responsibility. in cover 3, one of the corners is deep. in most variants, they have some man responsibility (again, unless you're a strict zone team, something no packers fan has suggested to this point in the season). i don't recall ahmad carroll being manned up with any team's #1 receiver, but if he was, that alone says something about al harris's ineffectiveness against a top wr. as would the fact that they apparently have to shield him and woodson from playing deep by shifting most (yes, i saw you say not all) of the responsibility off the shoulders of the cbs. it's just an extraordinarily weak argument for a player, especially right after showing that NUMEROUS #1 receivers have had big days (or big plays) against the packers secondary.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by someone447
                          I don't think Harris deserves it, he played SO bad the first couple of games that I think it takes him out of consideration. I haven't seen many games since week 4, but the ones I did, he played quite well. It IS the safeties and lbers that have been giving up the big plays. The Packers don't always play man coverage. No team ALWAYS plays man coverage. When they do, the top 2 recievers don't do a whole lot. But then the TE or the number 3 reciever just dominates Dendy and Poppinga.(How many non packer fans have even ever heard of those guys? Hell, how many packer fans have heard of them until the starting getting bent over in the passing game this year?) Then as soon as Woodson or Harris release the receiver to the safeties, well, that is the problem. Collins will occasionally make a play, and Manual, I don't know what the *********** he does when a receiver comes in his general direction. He acts like he should be playing for St. Mary's School for the Blind and Deaf. Hell, there have been times when I am sure that I could cover better than he could. At least I am able to follow my responsibility. He always tends to double the short guy with the corner who released the outside man on a fade, and leave the guy going deep to be covered by air.

                          Guess what Big Blue, Roy Williams and Chad Johnson both have said he is one of the best corners in the league. I will say that I believe he is underrated here, but a lot of that is because there are so many people who overrate and act like he is the best corner of all time. So it kind of turns people off. There is a new Al Harris thread as often as there is a new Mike Vick thread. Both of whom are underrated by the majority of posters on this site, and overrated, by many of the others.
                          I can live with that. Its just tiring hearing about Harris so much.

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                          • #28
                            I've always been one of Harris' harshest critics, but if some of the best WRs in the game consistently rave about him being an elite shut-down corner, on par with Champ Baily, then just maybe we should accept the fact that he really does deserve to make the Pro Bowl.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TitleTown088
                              Originally posted by Shiver
                              Lee Evans beat Al Harris deep three times, but Losman only hit him once.
                              are you sure that wasn't Manuels fault not harris's? Many of the yards roy willliams got in week 3 were when the safties were covering him... nick collins got burned for a long TD in that game, not harris. I dunno if he deserves it, he has been solid. I think woodson deserves it more than harris. The guy is playing injured every week and he still lead the NFL in takeaways at 7. but the thing with either one of these guys making the probowl is that they bolth are playing on one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. thanks shotty.
                              Harris just got lost on the Evans TD

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SuperMcgee
                                Originally posted by TitleTown088
                                Originally posted by Shiver
                                Lee Evans beat Al Harris deep three times, but Losman only hit him once.
                                are you sure that wasn't Manuels fault not harris's? Many of the yards roy willliams got in week 3 were when the safties were covering him... nick collins got burned for a long TD in that game, not harris. I dunno if he deserves it, he has been solid. I think woodson deserves it more than harris. The guy is playing injured every week and he still lead the NFL in takeaways at 7. but the thing with either one of these guys making the probowl is that they bolth are playing on one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. thanks shotty.
                                Harris just got lost on the Evans TD
                                yeah, my bad i thought it was one where manel missed it because i am so used to seeing it happen.

                                What do the vikings and marijuana have in common? Every time you put them in a bowl
                                they get smoked.

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                                Hint:Not the Bears.

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