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  • #76
    Originally posted by njx9
    Originally posted by Moses
    Originally posted by njx9
    Originally posted by Moses
    Originally posted by njx9
    Originally posted by Packman1957
    Originally posted by njx9
    Originally posted by Moses
    Al Harris is not the best cornerback in the league. However, he is very goodand had an excellent season. The Pro Bowl is stupid and I don't know/care if he deserves to be in it. The point is he is a very good corner who had a very good season. I explained this all in an earlier post which was ignored for the most part.
    sorry, the solid but unspectacular posts tend to get ignored. but yes, i agree with that statement.
    Wait a second you agree with this statement...LOL. I thought just ten minutes ago you were just saying how Al Harris didn't have the best season. Make up your mind man. Its one or the other.
    i missed the bold. fixed.
    I don't really understand how you can say that Harris didn't have a good season. I challenge you to name 5 cornerbacks in the NFC who had a better season than him.
    :roll:

    let's be clear with our syntax. very good, good and excellent are vastly different terms. he had a good season, sure, i'll take your word for it. but, based on the stats i can see, and testimoney (previously quoted) of packers fans who admitted he got beat on more than a couple of plays, i have a difficult time justifying him as having a very good season.

    there being 5 better cornerbacks in the nfc has very little to do with the quality of harris's season.
    If he was a top 5 corner in the NFC, I would say that is an excellent season.
    i don't think one has any bearing on the other. if there are twenty better corners in the AFC, who cares if he's the second best corner in the nfc? that doesn't really have any specific bearing on the kind of year he's having.
    I don't understand that argument at all. Let me put it this way: Name 5 NFC corners who had a better year?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Moses
      Originally posted by njx9
      Originally posted by Moses
      Originally posted by njx9
      Originally posted by Moses
      Originally posted by njx9
      Originally posted by Packman1957
      Originally posted by njx9
      Originally posted by Moses
      Al Harris is not the best cornerback in the league. However, he is very goodand had an excellent season. The Pro Bowl is stupid and I don't know/care if he deserves to be in it. The point is he is a very good corner who had a very good season. I explained this all in an earlier post which was ignored for the most part.
      sorry, the solid but unspectacular posts tend to get ignored. but yes, i agree with that statement.
      Wait a second you agree with this statement...LOL. I thought just ten minutes ago you were just saying how Al Harris didn't have the best season. Make up your mind man. Its one or the other.
      i missed the bold. fixed.
      I don't really understand how you can say that Harris didn't have a good season. I challenge you to name 5 cornerbacks in the NFC who had a better season than him.
      :roll:

      let's be clear with our syntax. very good, good and excellent are vastly different terms. he had a good season, sure, i'll take your word for it. but, based on the stats i can see, and testimoney (previously quoted) of packers fans who admitted he got beat on more than a couple of plays, i have a difficult time justifying him as having a very good season.

      there being 5 better cornerbacks in the nfc has very little to do with the quality of harris's season.
      If he was a top 5 corner in the NFC, I would say that is an excellent season.
      i don't think one has any bearing on the other. if there are twenty better corners in the AFC, who cares if he's the second best corner in the nfc? that doesn't really have any specific bearing on the kind of year he's having.
      I don't understand that argument at all. Let me put it this way: Name 5 NFC corners who had a better year?
      Exactly he can't name them. The only one's I can possible think of is maybe Terrance Newman or Lito Sheppard but thats it. Hall certainly did not play better than Harris nor did Barber, but we all know that is f'ed up.
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      • #78
        newman, shepard are as far as i get before it gets a bit murky. sheldon brown's name comes up, but it sounds like he's had a similar year to harris. ronde barber's name comes up, but he hadn't looked good in the few games i'd seen. charles woodson has been called better in this thread. walt harris has looked all right at times (when i've actually bothered watching the 49ers), although i'm not sure he's at the same level.

        i still fail to see how perhaps being the 4th or 5th best cb in the NFC means he had an excellent season. does being tied for 5th best in the NFC mean atlanta's having an excellent season? does being in 4th in the nfc mean philly is having am amazing year? i would tend to think no. just because your peers have been mediocre doesn't mean you've been great.

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        • #79
          Alright, name 10 NFL CBs who played better this season. The point is that Al Harris is one of the best cornerbacks in the league and played like it this year.

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          • #80
            better: bailey, newman, mcalister, asomugha, mathis, shepard, woodson
            debatable: brown, barber, law, manning

            off the top of my head and from what i've seen this season. as was pointed out earlier, i didn't get to see every play al harris made. then again, neither did most packers fans. that applies across the board, i haven't seen every single one of these guys play all season or even most of the season.

            i'd certainly be open to listening to a debate that involved someone else pulling the numbers from #1 and #2 receivers against all the teams above. since it seems that most packer fans would just like me to take them at their word rather than quoting anything or pulling video, this isn't really an argument worth continuing.

            and just because i see it coming, if you want to make an argument for harris that doesn't involve simply blaming the safeties without anything to back up your opinion, i'd love to hear it. i don't hate harris and i'm not dead set against him. but it's difficult to take seriously the argument that he's fantastic and that the safeties are really to blame for the ugly touchdown numbers when it's just a bunch of green bay fans parroting each other. i looked up some stats, someone else can feel free to do similar.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by njx9
              better: bailey, newman, mcalister, asomugha, mathis, shepard, woodson
              debatable: brown, barber, law, manning

              off the top of my head and from what i've seen this season. as was pointed out earlier, i didn't get to see every play al harris made. then again, neither did most packers fans. that applies across the board, i haven't seen every single one of these guys play all season or even most of the season.

              i'd certainly be open to listening to a debate that involved someone else pulling the numbers from #1 and #2 receivers against all the teams above. since it seems that most packer fans would just like me to take them at their word rather than quoting anything or pulling video, this isn't really an argument worth continuing.

              and just because i see it coming, if you want to make an argument for harris that doesn't involve simply blaming the safeties without anything to back up your opinion, i'd love to hear it. i don't hate harris and i'm not dead set against him. but it's difficult to take seriously the argument that he's fantastic and that the safeties are really to blame for the ugly touchdown numbers when it's just a bunch of green bay fans parroting each other. i looked up some stats, someone else can feel free to do similar.
              So let's assume that there are 10 cornerbacks in the league who had a better season than Harris (which is debatable). By my standards, that is an excellent season.

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              • #82
                Week 6: Chris Chambers, 2 catches for 29 yards.
                Week 7: Anquan Boldin, 4 catches for 47 yards.
                Week 8: Lee Evans, 2 catches for 58 yards and one TD
                Week 9: Travis Taylor, 3 catches for 28 yards.
                Week 10: Troy Brown, 4 catches for 26 yards.
                Week 11: Darrell Jackson, 2 catches for 20 yards with one TD
                Week 12: Lavernious Coles, 3 catches for 28 yards.
                Week 13: Antonio Bryant, 1 catch for 39 yards.
                Week 14: Roy Williams, 1 catch for 11 yards.

                Each reciever was more than likely covered by Harris one on one for the majority of the game. And it's not like those receivers are back up recievers either.

                Hitman D

                "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." - Henry David Thoreau

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                • #83
                  AL shuts anyones 1st WR down .

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                  • #84
                    Nnamdi Asomugha got 7 interceptions for the raiders but all that got him was a pat on the back. The pro-bowl spots almost always go mostly to players on winning teams who are well known. Thats just the way it is. Most players deserve it but others are there because its a popularity contest. Ex. Deangelo Hall

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Pack_Attack_4
                      AL shuts anyones 1st WR down .
                      That was a bad argument on page 1 when it was statistically proved false. Try again.


                      Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Pack_Attack_4
                        AL shuts anyones 1st WR down .
                        Good for him.


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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Vikes99ej
                          Originally posted by Pack_Attack_4
                          AL shuts anyones 1st WR down .
                          Good for him.
                          yeah, that would be good for him. wouldn't it?

                          Anyways i think everyone should let it go. he didn't make the damn probowl, who cares.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Pack_Attack_4
                            AL shuts anyones 1st WR down .
                            And bunnies rule the world...

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                            • #89
                              Al Harris named a Pro-bowl alternate.

                              So was Barnett and a bigger suprise is that Brett Favre is also an alternate.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by PackerMang
                                Al Harris named a Pro-bowl alternate.

                                So was Barnett and a bigger suprise is that Brett Favre is also an alternate.
                                Not really considering the weak NFC quarterbacks and Brett's popularity.

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