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  • Originally posted by njx9
    Originally posted by eacantdraft
    Ok Mr. football genius. Jim Brown did win a championship. He just was never able to get that Super Bowl ring. Wonder why that was? :roll:
    1964 the browns won the pre-merger NFL championship. but i thought jim brown was the best running back ever, and if running back is the single most important football position on the team, he should've carried them to a championship every year? right?

    further, were you able to, you know, process written words, you would've realized the word i used was "championships" thus, trying to imply i'm an idiot for asking why he didn't win a super bowl isn't really meaningful and simply makes you look illiterate.
    Hey, you were the one who inplied that Jim Brown did not win a championship.
    i'm sure you see how this could easily be swapped out with offense. great quarterbacks don't guarantee championships. ask marino. great running backs definitely don't. ask payton why he finally won one. or sayers why he didn't. or jim brown for that matter. or, if you'd like to get current, ask LT where his is.
    I decided to give you the correct facts. And I still would like to see you or anyone else ask Walter Payton why he won one. Maybe when you are talking to Walter, you can also ask Babe Ruth whether he called that homerun against the Cubs.

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    • Originally posted by eacantdraft
      Originally posted by njx9
      Originally posted by eacantdraft
      Ok Mr. football genius. Jim Brown did win a championship. He just was never able to get that Super Bowl ring. Wonder why that was? :roll:
      1964 the browns won the pre-merger NFL championship. but i thought jim brown was the best running back ever, and if running back is the single most important football position on the team, he should've carried them to a championship every year? right?

      further, were you able to, you know, process written words, you would've realized the word i used was "championships" thus, trying to imply i'm an idiot for asking why he didn't win a super bowl isn't really meaningful and simply makes you look illiterate.
      Hey, you were the one who inplied that Jim Brown did not win a championship.
      sure, it was a poorly worded question. hooray.

      I decided to give you the correct facts. And I still would like to see you or anyone else ask Walter Payton why he won one. Maybe when you are talking to Walter, you can also ask Babe Ruth whether he called that homerun against the Cubs.
      walter payton's answer may have had something to do with his team having had one of the best defenses ever. but yeah, i'm sure it's because his team drafted only playmakers.

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      • do i think they win without him going 9/21 with 2 ints? yeah, i think they probably could've managed to give the ball to bettis and parker all game. perhaps the difference there was parker? or maybe it was polamalu?
        Keep thinking that. It was Ben that made the deep pass to near the goal line after which he ran it in. Pittsburgh made the plays, Seattle couldn't. Seattle acted like the game was won between the 20's not in the red zone.

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        • Originally posted by njx9
          Originally posted by San Diego Chicken
          Why wouldnt the Ravens agree? Is it a cooincidence that they had their best record in franchise history when they finally acquired a consistent veteran QB?
          you're saying trent dilfer had a big part in their super bowl victory? maybe, but in his 9 games in 2000, he was pretty mediocre.

          Do you really think the Steelers win last year without Roethlisberger? He was outstanding in the first three rounds of the playoffs last year; there is a reason why they couldn't win with Kordell Stewart.
          do i think they win without him going 9/21 with 2 ints? yeah, i think they probably could've managed to give the ball to bettis and parker all game. perhaps the difference there was parker? or maybe it was polamalu?

          Besides, those teams create more pressure with their linebackers anyway, they don't rely on a 4 man rush.
          this year's ravens actually generated more sacks from their defensive line. i would be interested in seeing numbers from some of those other systems if you have them.

          Houston needs more playmakers, both on the ground and in the passing game. Bush helps you in both areas and so does Young.
          as far as i could tell, houston needed talent across the board. how did baltimore and tampa build their team for their super bowls again? how many "playmakers" has new england had on offense this decade? how many super bowls did uber-playmaker Terrell Owens win?

          Would Ryans have made as big of an impact without Williams? I really don't know. Did Williams really command that much attention to where all the credit given to Ryans should go to Williams? I'm not sure. In the (admittedly few) Texans games that I watched, that didn't appear to be the case. I did however notice that their offensive line had improved over years past, but could generate no big plays.
          *shrug* most of that isn't really worth arguing for reasons previously stated in this thread, but they bear thinking about. their offensive line improved but david carr (from what i saw) failed completely to bother looking downfield. ever.

          here's the point: as of right now, i don't believe for one second that anyone can make a convincing argument (as demonstrated so far) for vince young or reggie bush over mario. in 2 years that may completely change and i'll line up to eat crow. but as of right this minute, i don't buy that either reggie bush's mediocre rushing numbers or vince young's mediocre passing numbers can be said to be obviously or even vaguely better than the effect mario williams appeared to have on the defensive unit.
          I believe you're putting things in rather improper context. While the ultimate goal of any team is to win a super bowl, the immediate goal for a struggling team like the Texans is respectibility. Therefore, listing off the great offensive players that didn't win super bowls is misleading and sort of propagandist - many great defensive players didn't win Super Bowls either. Even Terrell Owens has his team in the playoffs more often than not.

          Going back to the specific examples, the Steelers likely don't make it out of Cincinnati without Roethlisberger. They definitely don't make it out of Indianapolis without Roethlisberger, and you should know that Roethlisberger was brilliant in the Denver win. The 2000 Ravens defense was an extremely rare phenomenon. That defense was so good that they really didn't need a quality QB, but they did need a solid running game. That quality of a defense comes around once every 20 years.

          I agree that Houston needed talent across the board. They could have gone any number of directions with their first pick. Having said that, if you don't plan on trading down, why not go for the consensus best player available, especially the ones who will generate excitement around your franchise and give your fans hope?
          aka KGB Chicken

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          • The Texans had so many holes at that time and RB and QB were not amongst them, so I think they were right to draft Mario Williams.

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            • I think the most accurate answer would be if this question was posed in the TEXANS forum.
              Those guys watched more of their games than we all did.

              All I DO KNOW is that Super Mario did not even dominate the ACC last year.
              I know that Vince and Bush DID dominate the whole NCAA and led their teams to titles. I also know that Reggie Bush was the most electric RB I had seen since Barry Sanders in 1988. And I had never seen a QB like Vince Young, although Vick was close against Florida State. But Vince got it done in the end.

              I still don't see anything SPECIAL about Mario Williams other than his combine numbers.

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              • Wasnt mario williams dubbed as a lawrence taylor/julius peppers type hybrid player? Id take a chance on that.

                At the time they thought that carr and davis (now williams) would be good for them. But carr still sucks, and their RB is injury prone. Besides, their defense is terrible, they wanted to start where it counts, the trenches.

                And williams didnt have a bad year. He still had something like 4.5 sacks and a few hurries and FF. Not every rookie DE is going to be a monster. Besides, hasnt he been playing hurt lately?

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                • I can't believe some people are questioning the Texans pick with Bush.

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                  • Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                    All I DO KNOW is that Super Mario did not even dominate the ACC last year.
                    and you've STILL presented nothing that implies postseason awards have any bearing on a player's NFL ability.

                    what's further funny is that every texans fan i've seen reply to this thread thinks you're wrong.

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                    • Originally posted by njx9
                      Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                      All I DO KNOW is that Super Mario did not even dominate the ACC last year.
                      and you've STILL presented nothing that implies postseason awards have any bearing on a player's NFL ability.

                      what's further funny is that every texans fan i've seen reply to this thread thinks you're wrong.

                      I love the "Mario didn't dominate the ACC."

                      :roll:
                      • Mario Williams: 62 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 blocked kick, 1 safety, 4 fumble recoveries

                        Julius Peppers: 63 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble and 3 interceptions

                      If you think Mario Williams was a bad pick, you must have thought Peppers was a reach too. Because Williams was even more dominant than Peppers, in their junior seasons, in the same conference. Besides; Peppers even had a redshirt season over Mario, so he was more experienced and developed. Williams just now reached his size potential, he played at 260-lbs as a sophomore, 280-lbs as a junior, and 295-lbs as a pro.

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                      • Originally posted by njx9
                        Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                        All I DO KNOW is that Super Mario did not even dominate the ACC last year.
                        and you've STILL presented nothing that implies postseason awards have any bearing on a player's NFL ability.

                        what's further funny is that every texans fan i've seen reply to this thread thinks you're wrong.
                        POST-SEASON AWARDS are given for PLAYING PERFORMANCE.
                        You don't see any correlation there?
                        Why was LaDanian Tomlinson just given a post-season award? BECAUSE he dominated the NFL this season.

                        If there were 3 better guys on defense IN THE ACC that season than Mario, why would he then dominate the NFL? Because he ran fast in Indianapolis at the combine for a large guy? He always ran fast in college too. Did he dominate and win awards for it?

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                        • Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                          Originally posted by njx9
                          Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                          All I DO KNOW is that Super Mario did not even dominate the ACC last year.
                          and you've STILL presented nothing that implies postseason awards have any bearing on a player's NFL ability.

                          what's further funny is that every texans fan i've seen reply to this thread thinks you're wrong.
                          POST-SEASON AWARDS are given for PLAYING PERFORMANCE.
                          You don't see any correlation there?
                          Why was LaDanian Tomlinson just given a post-season award? BECAUSE he dominated the NFL this season.

                          If there were 3 better guys on defense IN THE ACC that season than Mario, why would he then dominate the NFL? Because he ran fast in Indianapolis at the combine for a large guy? He always ran fast in college too. Did he dominate and win awards for it?
                          Well first off, he meant postseason awards in college. They're meaningless. Jason White, Heisman, not in the league.Ernest Shazor, Thorpe, undrafted. Mik Hass, Biletnikoff, Bears Practice squad.

                          Second of all, Shiver proved that he dominated more than Peppers, widely considered the NFL's best DE.


                          Originally posted by Scott Wright
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                          Originally posted by njx9
                          do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                          • Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                            I think the most accurate answer would be if this question was posed in the TEXANS forum.
                            Those guys watched more of their games than we all did.

                            All I DO KNOW is that Super Mario did not even dominate the ACC last year.
                            I know that Vince and Bush DID dominate the whole NCAA and led their teams to titles. I also know that Reggie Bush was the most electric RB I had seen since Barry Sanders in 1988. And I had never seen a QB like Vince Young, although Vick was close against Florida State. But Vince got it done in the end.

                            I still don't see anything SPECIAL about Mario Williams other than his combine numbers.
                            That why you don't take player based on there college production only, potential is the most important part, Bush in zone blocking wouldn't have did much for me, and he haven't proved anymore than Williams at this point. Carr looked like the future during the draft last year, you can now make a point with them taking VY now. But i still Mario being a great pick, he may not be a superstar, but he will be a top player in the NFL in four or five years.

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                            • he may not be a superstar, but he will be a top player in the NFL in four or five years.
                              However, if you have the #1 pick in the draft I believe the point would be to take the superstar and not just a top player, but whatever.
                              The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

                              “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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                              • Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                                POST-SEASON AWARDS are given for PLAYING PERFORMANCE.
                                You don't see any correlation there?
                                Why was LaDanian Tomlinson just given a post-season award? BECAUSE he dominated the NFL this season.

                                If there were 3 better guys on defense IN THE ACC that season than Mario, why would he then dominate the NFL? Because he ran fast in Indianapolis at the combine for a large guy? He always ran fast in college too. Did he dominate and win awards for it?
                                so if danny wuerrfel was the best PLAYER in college football, why isn't he a god in the NFL? where's eric crouch? your making a stupid argument. please try again.

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