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  • #31
    Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
    Again, why was Mario only voted the 4th best defensive player in the ACC if he's so great?
    Where is Mike Hass or Greg Eslinger in the NFL?

    He did not dominate in college like Julius Peppers did at UNC or Bruce Smith at Virginia Tech.
    I don't know about Smith, but he had almost the same amount of sacks as Peppers, with more Tackles for Loss.

    This was a classic reach. Classic.
    Which is why at least six teams had Williams number one on their boards, according to Ron Wolf, former reknowned GM of the Packers. One of those teams were the Dallas Cowboys, but Bill Parcells doesn't know anything about football like you do.. :roll:

    Sam Bowie-like.
    Enough with the Sam Bowie nonsense. That comparison makes no sense what so ever. Since;

    1. His career was derailed by injuries, thus to say he failed is unfair.
    2. Clyde Drexler was already in Portland, and an all-star at Jordan's position.
    3. No one knew Michael Jordan would be like that, Dean Smith's system concealed Jordan's potential.
    4. That is basketball, this is football.
    5. Reggie Bush has no shot of being anything near Jordan great.

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    • #32
      Mario


      You can't judge a pick after 1 year. Mario is a special player at a need position for Houston. Houston had no idea Domanick Davis would go on IR and they'd have to go the season with Wali Lundy(although at times impressive) and Ron Dayne. They need to stabilize the O-Line before they do something about Carr.


      Edit: I actually still think they should have taken D-Brick.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jango
        Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
        So Marion has improved the Texans more than Bush has the Saints?
        That's not the question that should be asked. Would Bush have made the same impact for the Texans that he has done for the Saints? That should be the question you should ask and honestly, I think the answer is no and that is why I believe they were right in taking Williams.
        They have Deuce to run between the tackles. New Orleans needed an explosive player and Bush was the best pick for them. Sean Payton uses him very well and Bush is surrounded by great talent.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by NYGibril28
          Mario


          You can't judge a pick after 1 year. Mario is a special player at a need position for Houston. Houston had no idea Domanick Davis would go on IR and they'd have to go the season with Wali Lundy(although at times impressive) and Ron Dayne. They need to stabilize the O-Line before they do something about Carr.
          Exactly, good point.

          Also, look for Houston if they don't draft Adrian Peterson in round 1 (if they have a chance to) to go after Kenny Irons or Lorenzo Booker in round 2.

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          • #35
            If you think Mario Williams is a bad pick, or reach, then you think Bill Parcells knows less about football than you do. Jerry Jones on Bryant Gumble's HBO show said that the Cowboys, under Parcells, had Williams #1 on their board.

            Case closed.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Shiver
              I think Bush would've been a bad pick for the Texans. He isn't what they wanted, he said as much pre-draft, they never showed interest in him. A lot of people thought that was a smoke-screen to get trade offers, until Adam Schefter reported that they actually weren't that interested in Reggie Bush. That scheme doesn't fit him, the situation wouldn't fit him. Reggie Bush is in a optimal offense for his talents in New Orleans. But if he's only averaging 3.6 YPC in New Orleans what would he be doing in Houston? Especially since he is the anti-ZBS runner. Instead of cutting back, Reggie bounces everything outside.

              In hindsight, I think Vince Young should've been the pick. However, at the time, David Carr was never given a fair chance. Well before the draft they extended Carr, so Young was never a legitimate option. Although, Carr's struggles this year, despite having a better scheme and wide receivers make this look like a mistake. Had they not extended him, I think Young would've been the pick.

              Mario Williams has phenomenal potential, his one weakness was he was raw. He's shown glimpses of greatness. One more training camp, the Texans adding a interior force, he will be a good one. Thus, considering Young was never an option. I think that Mario Williams fits the Texans more than Reggie Bush would have. Mario Williams, as per 1/4 of NFL teams, including the Cowboys for one, had Williams as the top overall prospect in the draft.
              Actually his one big flaw was that he takes plays off, not rawness. But I agree with 99.9% of what you say.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                Oh really? Ryan Leaf could run past 11 guys on defense and score a TD?
                had vince young done that in the nfl in march? i forgot.

                Did Ryan ever lead his team to 6 straight wins? Actually how about 1 straight win?
                thanks for letting me know you haven't followed football very long. he actually won his first two starts. further, he was one of the best QB prospects ever, good enough to make the colts think twice about taking peyton manning. then again, i would've figured someone throwing tony mandarich's name around would you know, know that.

                Again, why was Mario only voted the 4th best defensive player in the ACC if he's so great? Do you realize that? He did not dominate in college like Julius Peppers did at UNC or Bruce Smith at Virginia Tech. This was a classic reach. Classic. Sam Bowie-like.
                how's danny wuerffel's career? jason white? eric crouch? they were all voted as the best players in the NATION. so they must be future hall of famers, right? get. a. grip.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Simms2Clayton
                  Originally posted by Shiver
                  I think Bush would've been a bad pick for the Texans. He isn't what they wanted, he said as much pre-draft, they never showed interest in him. A lot of people thought that was a smoke-screen to get trade offers, until Adam Schefter reported that they actually weren't that interested in Reggie Bush. That scheme doesn't fit him, the situation wouldn't fit him. Reggie Bush is in a optimal offense for his talents in New Orleans. But if he's only averaging 3.6 YPC in New Orleans what would he be doing in Houston? Especially since he is the anti-ZBS runner. Instead of cutting back, Reggie bounces everything outside.

                  In hindsight, I think Vince Young should've been the pick. However, at the time, David Carr was never given a fair chance. Well before the draft they extended Carr, so Young was never a legitimate option. Although, Carr's struggles this year, despite having a better scheme and wide receivers make this look like a mistake. Had they not extended him, I think Young would've been the pick.

                  Mario Williams has phenomenal potential, his one weakness was he was raw. He's shown glimpses of greatness. One more training camp, the Texans adding a interior force, he will be a good one. Thus, considering Young was never an option. I think that Mario Williams fits the Texans more than Reggie Bush would have. Mario Williams, as per 1/4 of NFL teams, including the Cowboys for one, had Williams as the top overall prospect in the draft.
                  Actually his one big flaw was that he takes plays off, not rawness. But I agree with 99.9% of what you say.
                  He took plays off early in the year, late in the year he was a beast. Which to me, showed that he still wasn't ready. He's only 21 years old and growing into his body type.

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                  • #39
                    any1 else find it weird that Charlie Casserly resigned as GM almost immediately after the draft? I'm not implying that he is trying to ruin the franchise, it's just a little odd

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by SterlingSharpe
                      Oh really? Ryan Leaf could run past 11 guys on defense and score a TD?

                      Did Ryan ever lead his team to 6 straight wins? Actually how about 1 straight win?

                      Again, why was Mario only voted the 4th best defensive player in the ACC if he's so great? Do you realize that? He did not dominate in college like Julius Peppers did at UNC or Bruce Smith at Virginia Tech. This was a classic reach. Classic. Sam Bowie-like.
                      Sam Bowie was an All-American. And the Blazers kinda had a HOF player at the 2 guard position they drafted the year before... although that gets lost in history. It would be like Carson Palmer getting injured for the season in game 1 next year and them drafting Jamarcus Russell first overall.


                      Originally posted by Scott Wright
                      Terrellezzzzzzzz Pryorzzzzzzzz!
                      Originally posted by njx9
                      do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                      • #41
                        Reggie Bush could play WR for Houston like he does for New Orleans. That would have taken the double team off Andre Johnson.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by eacantdraft
                          Reggie Bush could play WR for Houston like he does for New Orleans. That would have taken the double team off Andre Johnson.
                          Hadn't they signed Moulds at the time though? I think they viewed him as the guy to take heat off Andre.


                          Originally posted by Scott Wright
                          Terrellezzzzzzzz Pryorzzzzzzzz!
                          Originally posted by njx9
                          do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                          • #43
                            "Bill Parcells said this or that"....
                            Ron Wolf said this or that....

                            First of all, these guys usually like as a smokescreen.

                            Second of all, Ron Wolf is the same GENIUS who in 1998 selected another DE from the state of NC over WR Randy Moss. He has since claimed that it was his biggest mistake ever. But again, me and my brother who wanted Moss taken that day know nothing about football, because we do not have a GM postion like Wolf did.

                            Wolf is also the same GM who selected another DE, Jamal Reynolds from Florida State, ahead of Marcus Stroud. Wolf has a terrible track record judging first round talent. He was pathetic with his 1st round picks but did well in the mid rounds.

                            But that Jamal Reynolds pick cost the Packers a chance at another Super Bowl because this team was close a few years back, despite getting NOTHING out of that high pick.

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                            • #44
                              With the Raiders, he took part in drafting such notable players as Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Ken Stabler, and Jack Tatum, all of whom would play for the Super Bowl 11 Championship team in 1976, and later such players as Howie Long, Marcus Allen, and Matt Millen, all of the Super Bowl 18 Championship team, the then-Los Angeles Raiders .

                              With the Green Bay Packers, he hired head coach Mike Holmgren and traded for then Atlanta Falcons backup quarterback Brett Favre. Wolf also signed free-agent Reggie White, bringing in a team leader and defensive superstar. This signing, in NFL free agency's first year, also made Green Bay a more desirable destination for future potential free agents.

                              Over his nine-year term as GM, the Packers compiled a 92-52 record, good for a .639 winning percentage, second in the NFL over that span to the San Francisco 49ers. The Packers won Super Bowl XXXI against the New England Patriots, lost in Super Bowl XXXII to the Denver Broncos, and made the playoffs six straight times.
                              Yeah, he has a horrible track record. :roll:

                              As for Bill Parcells, that info came out after the draft. So the Cowboys saying Mario Williams was number one on their boards definitely wasn't a smoke screen.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Shiver
                                Originally posted by Simms2Clayton
                                Originally posted by Shiver
                                I think Bush would've been a bad pick for the Texans. He isn't what they wanted, he said as much pre-draft, they never showed interest in him. A lot of people thought that was a smoke-screen to get trade offers, until Adam Schefter reported that they actually weren't that interested in Reggie Bush. That scheme doesn't fit him, the situation wouldn't fit him. Reggie Bush is in a optimal offense for his talents in New Orleans. But if he's only averaging 3.6 YPC in New Orleans what would he be doing in Houston? Especially since he is the anti-ZBS runner. Instead of cutting back, Reggie bounces everything outside.

                                In hindsight, I think Vince Young should've been the pick. However, at the time, David Carr was never given a fair chance. Well before the draft they extended Carr, so Young was never a legitimate option. Although, Carr's struggles this year, despite having a better scheme and wide receivers make this look like a mistake. Had they not extended him, I think Young would've been the pick.

                                Mario Williams has phenomenal potential, his one weakness was he was raw. He's shown glimpses of greatness. One more training camp, the Texans adding a interior force, he will be a good one. Thus, considering Young was never an option. I think that Mario Williams fits the Texans more than Reggie Bush would have. Mario Williams, as per 1/4 of NFL teams, including the Cowboys for one, had Williams as the top overall prospect in the draft.
                                Actually his one big flaw was that he takes plays off, not rawness. But I agree with 99.9% of what you say.
                                He took plays off early in the year, late in the year he was a beast. Which to me, showed that he still wasn't ready. He's only 21 years old and growing into his body type.
                                I didn't say that I said that scouts said that. I didn't think that was a big concern but that WAS the main concern among scouts.

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