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  • #31
    Originally posted by broncs2bowl View Post
    not a good decision, Chris Simms was good but he got injured. He led the Bucs to the playoffs the year before. Garcia was good in offenses like the 49ers and Eagles that pass a lot and are "west coast". But the Bucs he does not fit, this is a bad decision
    Utter nonsense. Simms has never been good. He has at times been average, at times he's shown flashes, and at times he's been horrid. In 2005 when Simms "lead" the Bucs to the playoffs the #1 D and a solid running game had more to do with the playoff berth than Simms.

    In 2006 before he got hurt he was playing his way to the bench. The spleen injury just saved him from it.

    The bottom line is he's never consistently proven himself and despite being in Gruden's system for +4 years he has never been able to answer that primary questions, is he the guy?
    "If everyone liked the same thing everyone would be after your grandmother."

    My Grandfather

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Shiver View Post
      No surprise to me. Actually I wish Chris Simms was the starter...
      Wait, let me get this straight. You want us to beat you twice again? Cool by me...

      sig by BoneKrusher

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      • #33
        Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
        Chris Simms was not good before he got injured. He was horrid last year, go check the stats.
        My god, a voice of reason.
        "If everyone liked the same thing everyone would be after your grandmother."

        My Grandfather

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        • #34
          Originally posted by etk View Post
          Wait, let me get this straight. You want us to beat you twice again? Cool by me...
          I find that funny, specifically because Chris Simms had nothing to do with those victories. (or losses, depending on perspective.)
          Last edited by Shiver; 06-11-2007, 06:54 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by StaticGator View Post
            I would say the right side is something to have hope for, not something that is already going.
            I'd agree. I think Joseph will be solid this year. Trueblood had some growing pains last year, but I'm optimistic he'll progress. Run blocking on the right side should be improved, in previous years the Bucs rarely ran to the right.
            "If everyone liked the same thing everyone would be after your grandmother."

            My Grandfather

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            • #36
              I think they pulled this move off because Gruden is scared, that he might lose his job. Garcia is good but come on as a back up yeah, he'll come in and win a few games for you but u cant expect him to start a whole season.

              This is another example of a backup doing good/amazing and then he gets hyped up. Yes Gracia was not always a back up, but now he is.
              Simms was doing fine puttin up nice numbers till he got a nice shot to the spline.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
                I think they pulled this move off because Gruden is scared, that he might lose his job. Garcia is good but come on as a back up yeah, he'll come in and win a few games for you but u cant expect him to start a whole season.

                This is another example of a backup doing good/amazing and then he gets hyped up. Yes Gracia was not always a back up, but now he is.
                Simms was doing fine puttin up nice numbers till he got a nice shot to the spline.
                Uh, no he wasn't. Even in '05 he was only producing at a below average game-manager level.

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                • #38
                  Yeah, but he was still winning games.

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                  • #39
                    ITS ALL about that W

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
                      I think they pulled this move off because Gruden is scared, that he might lose his job. Garcia is good but come on as a back up yeah, he'll come in and win a few games for you but u cant expect him to start a whole season.

                      This is another example of a backup doing good/amazing and then he gets hyped up. Yes Gracia was not always a back up, but now he is.
                      Simms was doing fine puttin up nice numbers till he got a nice shot to the spline.
                      The hype is all on Simms. He was ok, nothing great. This is news because Simms is now put in the backup slot, and people for some reason think he's better.

                      If all that mattered was winning, Simms would have not even been given the reigns in the first place. Griese was 5-1 as a starter and Chris only started because Griese went down. Chris went on to go 6-5 the rest of the season (playoff game included), and was 0-3 as a starter this year. Simms wasn't winning or playing well, he could barely get the ball over the LOS. Anyone who thinks he played well last year must have their head in the sand.

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                      • #41
                        Newsflash: Gruden takes experienced veteran over youngster with potential at quarterback.

                        This shouldn't surprise anyone.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by dbtb135 View Post
                          The hype is all on Simms. He was ok, nothing great. This is news because Simms is now put in the backup slot, and people for some reason think he's better.

                          If all that mattered was winning, Simms would have not even been given the reigns in the first place. Griese was 5-1 as a starter and Chris only started because Griese went down. Chris went on to go 6-5 the rest of the season (playoff game included), and was 0-3 as a starter this year. Simms wasn't winning or playing well, he could barely get the ball over the LOS. Anyone who thinks he played well last year must have their head in the sand.
                          Griese got injured, that's why Simms went in, when he started playing well there was no reason to bench him.

                          Simms has all the tools, he just needs to put it all together, fact is his receivers simply aren't that great.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
                            Yeah, but he was still winning games.
                            Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
                            ITS ALL about that W
                            Because he had a great defense, as well as Carnell Williams tearing it up (when healthy). The only game he's ever 'won' was against Washington in the regular season game in '05. That's the only game where he played exceptionally well and therefore could be accredited with the 'win.' My personal pet peeve is the constant, nonsensical, attribution of every win/loss squarely on the Quarterback, by the way.

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                            • #44
                              I don't think so, I think he did well when he needed to in most games that he won, granted he got a great amount of support, but at the same time he did well. Sure the stats are skewed, but if he had a nice drive when it was needed, he can't be all bad.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
                                I don't think so, I think he did well when he needed to in most games that he won, granted he got a great amount of support, but at the same time he did well. Sure the stats are skewed, but if he had a nice drive when it was needed, he can't be all bad.
                                Simms has really only had 1 really good game in his career. During the regular season vs. Skins in 05. Other than that it is some average play, some below average play, and some horrid play. He has never consistently proven that he can play at even an above average level. As a Buc fan I wish to god he would, because he represents the franchise's best option in terms of long term stability at the QB spot. But, he hasn't and Garcia being the early favorite is neither suprising nor disappointing based on Simms career to date.
                                "If everyone liked the same thing everyone would be after your grandmother."

                                My Grandfather

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