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    ... a QB that passes more will get sacked more?

    For some reason, "baronzeus" is trying to argue that a QB that passes more WILL get sacked more, and I don't feel it is true.

    Originally posted by baronzeus
    So you don't agree that in general a team that passes more will be sacked more? Seems like a silly argument. Using premium pass rush stopping O-lines as a counterexample doesn't really pose a good argument.
    I even provided the following information:

    QBs - Most Passing Attempts:

    Brett Favre - 613 Attempts - 21 Sacks
    Jon Kitna - 596 Attempts - 63 Sacks
    Marc Bulger - 588 Attempts - 49 Sacks
    Peyton Manning - 557 Attempts - 14 Sacks
    Drew Brees - 554 Attempts - 18 Sacks

    Peyton Manning and Drew Brees were two of the least-sacked QBs in the NFL, while Marc Bulger and Jon Kitna were two of the most. Brett Favre had a THIRD of the sacks that Jon Kitna had, and less than half of the sacks that Marc Bulger had. Green Bay, Indianapolis and New Orleans are 3 of the 5 teams that gave up the fewest sacks.

    Other QBs - Passing Attempts - Sacks

    Daunte Culpepper - 134 Attempts - 21 Sacks
    Trent Green - 198 Attempts - 24 Sacks
    Aaron Brooks - 192 Attempts - 26 Sacks
    Andrew Walter - 276 Attempts - 46 Sacks
    Bruce Gradkowski - 328 Attempts - 25 Sacks

    Peyton Manning passed more times than Daunte Culpepper, Trent Green and Aaron Brooks combined (524 attempts), and was sacked less than each of them individually. Andrew Walter passed 312 times less than Marc Bulger, but was sacked only 3 times fewer.

    How can he think this is true? I believe that the quality of the offensive line and the talent of the QB dictate how much the QB will get sacked, he believes the number of passing attempts dictates how much the QB will get sacked.

    Which is it?
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  • #2
    It's a bit of both. If you run the ball alot, you won't get sacked as much, but if your O-Line is very good, or do alot of short drops, you cam pass alot with few sacks. That's why the "Dropbacks per sack" stat is important.


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    • #3
      I think if the pass protection is there, it ultimately falls upon whether or not the QB is afraid to pass the ball or not. Either your a gun slinger like Brett Favre or just don't have faith in your own arm.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by YAYareaRB
        I think if the pass protection is there, it ultimately falls upon whether or not the QB is afraid to pass the ball or not. Either your a gun slinger like Brett Favre or just don't have faith in your own arm.
        Or all your WRs or outlets are just plain covered and you have nowhere to throw...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Flyboy
          Originally posted by YAYareaRB
          I think if the pass protection is there, it ultimately falls upon whether or not the QB is afraid to pass the ball or not. Either your a gun slinger like Brett Favre or just don't have faith in your own arm.
          Or all your WRs or outlets are just plain covered and you have nowhere to throw...
          Of course that happens at times... But its almost unreal for it to happen 300+ times.


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          • #6
            Bulger's were due to the O-Line being dip-shits for a few weeks.

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            • #7
              I think its a bit of both just like chris.

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              • #8
                There's more than one factor for a sack.

                Passing more will up the chances of being sacked

                Having a crappy OLine will guarantee being sacked more often (Put Manning behind the Raiders OLine)

                A non-mobile QB will be sacked more (Bledsoe vs. Romo)

                Tendency of the QB (Plummer would rather throw the pick than take the sack)

                And give credit to the defensive team that generates the sacks

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                • #9
                  The style of offense is also a factor. Favre has lots of pass attempts and he doesn't have better than an average line, but since it's a west coast offense with a ton of three step drops, he is rarely sacked. Compare that with Kitna who runs Martz's offense, where every pass play is a seven step drop.
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                  • #10
                    You misconstrued what I said.

                    My claim was that in identical situations, QBs that pass more will be sacked more. You said you "don't want to deal" with hypothetical situations, then made this poll to prove something.

                    When you pass more, the D line has more chances at you, and your offense is more predictable, and so you get sacked more. It sucks but that's the way it is. Some people get away with it (Manning) by having amazing O-lines or running lots of screen play/short passes to keep the defense on its heels.


                    And yes, I think a better/smarter quarterback will be sacked less, in general.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by yodachu
                      Bulger's were due to the O-Line being dip-shits for a few weeks.
                      Only a few weeks?

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                      • #12
                        Its both. No matter how bad your O-line is, if you dont pass you dont get sacked.

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                        • #13
                          If a QB throws more passes he will be sacked more, that's just plain common sense.

                          That is correct comahan
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                          • #14
                            The number of sacks has A LOT to do with the play of the O-Line and the ability of the QB to make a decision quickly and get rid of the ball guickly.

                            Peyton, Brees and Favre all get rid of the ball very quickly.

                            Guys like Culpepper, Vick and Walter hold on to the ball WAY too long.

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                            • #15
                              The original poster made the question sound completely different. It is if everything is the same except the QB throws more in one and less in the other. Same OL, same QB, same offense, same WR, same everything, except one throws 40 times and one throws 30. It is quite obvious the guy who throws 40 times will be sacked more often.

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