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  • fenikz
    started a topic 2011 Draft/Offseason Thread

    2011 Draft/Offseason Thread

    Obviously a little early but I think it deserves its own place

    right now this would be my ideal off-season

    1. Acquire a starter quality vet QB, either FA signing or through a trade, wouldn't want to give up anymore than a 3rd though, unless it happens to be Mike Vick which realistically isn't an option the Bidwells have never like players with character concerns.

    some options:

    Marc Bulger, FA - PFT recently released a story saying that Whis wanted him but the Bidwells simply wouldn't pony up the cash, they know now to listen to the Whis

    Donovan McNabb, Was - While it does seem like Andy Reid is what makes the QB world go round he hasn't been terrible in Washington and Arizona has far better weapons, he is mobile enough to not get wrecked in the pocket and seems like he could be a good mentor for Skelton

    Kyle Orton, FA - Certainly a capable passing QB despite the performance he just had vs us, not the greatest athlete but like Warner a quick release can make up for a lack of mobility

    Alex Smith, FA - 49ers will have to decide which Smith to keep after the season, if they like Troy Smith going forward Alex will in all likely-hood become a free agent & he has the athleticism to move around in the pocket which is a must behind our line

    2. Draft BPA in the 1st round - Simply can never afford to reach on a position of need with the current rookie scale, while that may change I very much doubt it will, ideally we end up with one of Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara, with Robert Quinn or maybe Brandon Harris being fall back options

    3. Draft BPA at position of need in the 2nd - in an Ideal world we get one of the 2 stud corners and then grab a 3-4 OLB or OT in the 2nd.

    3-4 OLB options: Von Miller, Justin Houston, Jeremy Beal
    CB options - Brandon Burton, Jimmy Smith, Aaron Williams, Ras-I Dowling
    OT options: Gabe Carimi, Nate Solder, DeMarcus Love, Tyron Smith, with a outside chance at Anthony Costanzo or Derrek Sherrod

    4. Draft the remaining position of need in the 3rd- Hopefully everything has gone to plan at this point and we have filled 2 of our positions of need.

    3-4 OLB options: Jabaal Sheard, Dontay Moch, Steven Friday
    CB options: Kendric Burney, Davon House, Brandon Hogan
    OT options: Benjamin Ijalana, Lee Ziemba, Jason Pinkston

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    so in my perfect world the Cardinals get Marc Bulger, Prince Amukamara, Von Miller, & Benjamin Ijalana & return to glory in 2011

  • wordofi
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    Originally posted by fenikz View Post
    ya that stat is entirely wrong, shoo troll
    Dude, how many playoffs games have they won in the past 65 years? That's all that you need to know in order to know how poorly ran they are. They can't even draft a lineman, they already have two running backs and draft another one, they're so cheap they let Rolle and Dansby go, I can go on and on and on.

    Until the Bidwells sell the team, they're going to keep sucking. One more thing, hows that quarterback situation working out? If they don't get a quarterback, they're going to be the worst team in the NFL next year.

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  • YAYareaRB
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    @ddockett: Yall talking bout yall ready for football season now! **** not me! NOT until we get a QB!

    Shots Fired! hes probably right but SHOTS FIRED!

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  • wordofi
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    Originally posted by fenikz View Post
    ya that stat is entirely wrong, shoo troll
    Prove me wrong then. Tell me all of the running backs and how many 100 yard rushing games they had as a member of the Cardinals over the past 10 years?

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  • fenikz
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    ya that stat is entirely wrong, shoo troll

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  • wordofi
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    Originally posted by fenikz View Post
    I personally love our picks, the only real negative I think is we didn't address O-Line.

    1. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU - The 1 player in this draft that I considered an elite talent and he fell to us at 5, I think Denver and Buffalo will really regret passing on him, a shutdown corner is as valuable as any position if not more so, besides QB. Having him opens up the entire playbook for Horton, he can dial up crazy blitzes and run a lot of diverse schemes with Peterson & DRC on the outside.

    Grade: A+

    2. Ryan Williams, RB, Virginia Tech - Obviously this is the most controversial pick, passing on guys like Brooks Reed, Justin Houston & Martez Wilson for a RB. The fact of the matter is Stumble & Fumble just aren't getting it done. Hightower is a FA and will most likely be let go while Wells will be on a short leash. I expect that Williams will start to get about 20 touches a game towards midseason with Hyphen getting around 15 as we phase Beanie Wells out. I truly believe that Williams is every bit the RB that Mark Ingram is.

    Grade: B-

    3. Robert Housler, TE, FAU - Besides DeMarco Sampson this is the pick I know the least about. He is a freak athlete simply put, 6'5 - 248 lbs, 34 1/2" arms, 4.46 40, 37" vert, 22 reps of 225 & 9'9" broad jump. He instantly becomes the fastest receiver on the team and scouts are in love with him. Was often used in practices to imitate spread/option QB so a possible wildcat QB option.

    Grade: B

    4. Sam Acho, OLB, Texas - Simply love this pick, I really don't see much of a drop off from Reed to Acho, both are high motor guys and he is every bit the athlete that Reed is. Acho is one of the smartest football players in the nation and played OLB for 2 years before moving to DE so he has experience standing and moving in space.

    Grade: A+

    5. Anthony Sherman, FB, UConn - While FB isn't premiere position it was one of our biggest needs and is a necessity if we truly want to become a power running team. Sherman is great at both run and pass blocking and should really help open some holes for who ever is in the backfield. Sherman is also a special teams ace and team captain, he should be a starter for years to come.

    Grade: B+

    6a. Quan Sturdivant, ILB, North Carolina - Simply a steal imo, he missed 5 games in 2011 because of a ham string injury but it's nothing that should affect his future play. Not the usual high character guy that Whis/Grave normally select but he was far too talented to pass on. He & Washington are the future inside of our 3-4 and imo it's a very bright one. While I don't expect him to start anytime this year he should be pushing Lennon very hard for playing time by next season and should lead to Gerald Hayes being cut which will save us some money to either pursue a QB or O-Line help.

    Grade: A

    6b. David Carter, DE, UCLA - A standout from the Shrine Game,C Carter has been rising up draft boards all offseason. Brother of Fresno State DE Chris Carter(drafted by the Steelers in the 5th) he was only a 1 year starter and did not get a combine invite. With Iwebema, Branch, & Watson become FA as well as Robinson getting up there in age, DL depth was certainly need and Carter seems like he can become a solid rotational player

    Grade: B-

    7. DeMarco Sampson, WR, San Diego State - A lot older than you would like your prospects to be(25) missed his 1st 2 seasons after tearing every ligament in his left foot. He was the Aztecs go to guy on 3rd down and put up some very good numbers in workouts(4.41 40, 35 1/2" vert, 10' broad jump) he has potential but needs to work very hard to make up for the time he lost due to injury.

    Grade: C+

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    Overall: B+

    could of very easily been an A had we addressed O-line


    PS: Rumors are that Patrick Peterson will wear #21 and Quan Sturdivant #52, only 2 numbers if heard so far.
    How can you give the cardinals a B+ when they didn't select ONE offensive lineman? They've had one of the worst, if not the worst, offensive line in the NFL over the past decade. To my knowledge, they've had less than 10 games in the last decade where a guy has rushed for 100+ yards.

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  • fenikz
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    he isnt a FA

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  • JBCX
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    No Kevin Kolb on that list?

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  • fenikz
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    way too early 53 man roster

    QB Vet - Skelton - Hall
    RB Hightower* - Wells - Williams - Hyphen
    FB Sherman
    TE Dray - Housler - Spach
    WR Fitzgerald - Breaston* - Roberts - Doucet - Williams - Sampson
    LT Brown - Bridges
    LG Faneca* - Hadnot
    C Sendlein* - Claxton
    RG Lutui*
    RT Keith

    UT Dockett - Branch* - Davis

    NT Williams - Watson
    LE Campbell - Iwebema
    ROLB Schofield - Davis
    SILB Lenon - Sturdivant
    WILB Washington - Walker*
    LOLB Haggans - Acho
    CB DRC - Adams - Jefferson
    FS Rhodes - Johnson
    SS Wilson - Ware - Abdullah
    CB Peterson - Toler

    K Feeley

    P Graham
    LS Leach

    * = FA

    Left off guys like Anderson, Porter, Hayes as I expect they will be cut because of their high cost and low production. OL & QB obviously our biggest issues, Sendlein I expect to resign, Faneca will either retire or resign imo, Lutui I'm not sure on wasn't so happy about his contract or tender(but no one matched it) but how many other teams would start him. We might also go after another Vet OLB to help bring Schofield and Acho along.

    Top current FA options
    QB : Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Billy Volek, Bruce Gradkowski, Alex Smith
    OG: Harvey Dahl, Justin Blalock, Kyle Kosier, Chris Chester, Davin Joseph, Derrick Dockery, Robert Gallery
    C: Olin Kreutz, Chris Spencer, Casey Wiegmann, Samson Satele, Jonathan Goodwin
    OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka, Manny Lawson, Matt Roth, Antwan Barnes, Mike Vrabel, Prescott Burgess
    Last edited by fenikz; 05-06-2011, 01:44 AM.

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  • Jensen
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    Dear God no.

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  • fenikz
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    According to Seth Pollack of SB Nation Arizona reported today that before the lockout was abruptly back on last week, the Arizona Cardinals and Philadelphia Eagles had a deal in place to send Eagles quarterback Kevin Kolb to Arizona in exchange for a 2012 NFL Draft first round pick.
    http://raisingzona.com/2011/05/02/mo...er-kevin-kolb/

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  • fenikz
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    It's Hightower's right now but he is a FA and many expect we won't resign him after this pick. At 1st I was very meh on the selection then I went back and watched some 09 stuff, absolutely in love with the guy now, might be my favorite pick besides PP and I think he can be a truly special RB in the NFL.

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  • BamaFalcon59
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    Congrats on Williams. He's a monster if healthy. Whis said he was the fifteenth best player on your board.

    Also, he will definitely try to get number 34. Lil' Sweetness.

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  • fenikz
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    I personally love our picks, the only real negative I think is we didn't address O-Line.

    1. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU - The 1 player in this draft that I considered an elite talent and he fell to us at 5, I think Denver and Buffalo will really regret passing on him, a shutdown corner is as valuable as any position if not more so, besides QB. Having him opens up the entire playbook for Horton, he can dial up crazy blitzes and run a lot of diverse schemes with Peterson & DRC on the outside.

    Grade: A+

    2. Ryan Williams, RB, Virginia Tech - Obviously this is the most controversial pick, passing on guys like Brooks Reed, Justin Houston & Martez Wilson for a RB. The fact of the matter is Stumble & Fumble just aren't getting it done. Hightower is a FA and will most likely be let go while Wells will be on a short leash. I expect that Williams will start to get about 20 touches a game towards midseason with Hyphen getting around 15 as we phase Beanie Wells out. I truly believe that Williams is every bit the RB that Mark Ingram is.

    Grade: B-

    3. Robert Housler, TE, FAU - Besides DeMarco Sampson this is the pick I know the least about. He is a freak athlete simply put, 6'5 - 248 lbs, 34 1/2" arms, 4.46 40, 37" vert, 22 reps of 225 & 9'9" broad jump. He instantly becomes the fastest receiver on the team and scouts are in love with him. Was often used in practices to imitate spread/option QB so a possible wildcat QB option.

    Grade: B

    4. Sam Acho, OLB, Texas - Simply love this pick, I really don't see much of a drop off from Reed to Acho, both are high motor guys and he is every bit the athlete that Reed is. Acho is one of the smartest football players in the nation and played OLB for 2 years before moving to DE so he has experience standing and moving in space.

    Grade: A+

    5. Anthony Sherman, FB, UConn - While FB isn't premiere position it was one of our biggest needs and is a necessity if we truly want to become a power running team. Sherman is great at both run and pass blocking and should really help open some holes for who ever is in the backfield. Sherman is also a special teams ace and team captain, he should be a starter for years to come.

    Grade: B+

    6a. Quan Sturdivant, ILB, North Carolina - Simply a steal imo, he missed 5 games in 2011 because of a ham string injury but it's nothing that should affect his future play. Not the usual high character guy that Whis/Grave normally select but he was far too talented to pass on. He & Washington are the future inside of our 3-4 and imo it's a very bright one. While I don't expect him to start anytime this year he should be pushing Lennon very hard for playing time by next season and should lead to Gerald Hayes being cut which will save us some money to either pursue a QB or O-Line help.

    Grade: A

    6b. David Carter, DE, UCLA - A standout from the Shrine Game,C Carter has been rising up draft boards all offseason. Brother of Fresno State DE Chris Carter(drafted by the Steelers in the 5th) he was only a 1 year starter and did not get a combine invite. With Iwebema, Branch, & Watson become FA as well as Robinson getting up there in age, DL depth was certainly need and Carter seems like he can become a solid rotational player

    Grade: B-

    7. DeMarco Sampson, WR, San Diego State - A lot older than you would like your prospects to be(25) missed his 1st 2 seasons after tearing every ligament in his left foot. He was the Aztecs go to guy on 3rd down and put up some very good numbers in workouts(4.41 40, 35 1/2" vert, 10' broad jump) he has potential but needs to work very hard to make up for the time he lost due to injury.

    Grade: C+

    -

    Overall: B+

    could of very easily been an A had we addressed O-line


    PS: Rumors are that Patrick Peterson will wear #21 and Quan Sturdivant #52, only 2 numbers if heard so far.

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  • Stranger
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    Welcome to the newest Cardinals!

    1. CB Patrick Peterson
    2. RB Ryan Williams
    3. TE Robert Housler
    4. DE Sam Acho
    5. FB Anthony Sherman
    6. ILB Quan Sturdivant
    6. DT David Carter (3-4 DE)
    7. WR Demarco Sampson

    Whis via Sando

    "It's a little unrealistic to think that you could address every need in the draft," coach Ken Whisenhunt told reporters Saturday. "The thing that kind of really stood out to me was we had three, that I know of, what we considered the best players at their positions in the draft, and we got them. That’s kind of unusual."

    Those players: Peterson, second-round running back Ryan Williams and fifth-round fullback Anthony Sherman.
    I have mixed feelings over the draft but am excited to see how the team shapes up after free agency. To be honest I would have prefered if we were more aggresive in finding pass rush talent but in the end whoever we drafted wasn't going to make that much of an impact this year. I have a good feeling about Schoefield so hopefully he steps up big this year.

    I hope the FO was smart enough to give out as many of the playbooks as possible to the few players who were there in the one day they could. With no CBA/no negotiations their contracts I guess there is nothing stopping the draft picks getting together with some of the Cardinals.
    Anyway hopefully the lockout ends soon although I highly doubt it.

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