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  • #16
    Rex Ryan runs an 'Organized Chaos' defense with tons of different line ups and people hands up hands down zone blitzing etc etc. It would not be a pure 3-4.

    Honestly Babineaux would probably be given a shot at the SILB position. Out of college he ran in the 4.7s and that is in the mid 280s. He is an excellent athlete who could blitz effectively. I do not think it would be a big challenge to drop 10 pounds. Out of college he was extremely versatile and I doubt we would outright cut him or not have him a role.
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    • #17
      Babs would be fine as a 3-4 DE...opposite Jamaal...

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      • #18
        Too short.
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        • #19
          really your three down guys are just massive bodies taking on double blocks and holding to the point and letting the lbs get the sack. they should be really good run stuffers. Ryan runs a hybrid in Baltimore, so he probably would do the same for ATL, make a gradual change not drastic, take veristile players like Gohlston.

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          • #20
            I would love Gholston.

            ----------------J. Williams-------------------------L. Milloy


            --------------------------Boley----------Brooking
            Houston------Abraham----------------------------Gholston---------Hall
            -----------------------???-------Lewis------Anderson

            That would be killer.
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            • #21
              I'd love that defense so much. I'd try and pick up Kendall Langford out of Hampton who Scott has at 6'6 295.

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              • #22
                I'm starting to warm up to this idea.

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                • #23
                  The picture Bama drew is pretty nice.

                  This idea doesnt seem half bad. I dont know what we would do with Coleman and Babs, but whatever. We would just have to find a big space taking DE in the FA market, and our LB core would be just sick.

                  "He's the leader of the next great class of NFL players." - John Elway on Matt Ryan

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                  • #24
                    Like I said, Babs may be the Buck ILB. Noone else on the team can do that role.
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                    • #25
                      Babs wouldn't do well at that position...there's just no way for him to pull that off. He's a DT / DE not superman. He and Coleman while they are 'too short' according to you and according to ideal doesn't mean they don't play with enough leverage to hold the point of attack. They'd be our solution for that position for this year at least.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by iloxygenil View Post
                        Babs wouldn't do well at that position...there's just no way for him to pull that off. He's a DT / DE not superman. He and Coleman while they are 'too short' according to you and according to ideal doesn't mean they don't play with enough leverage to hold the point of attack. They'd be our solution for that position for this year at least.
                        He does not have to be superman. Out of college prospectprofiles said he had the type of ability to line up anywhere on the defensive line or even middlelinebacker. He has more than enough athletic ability. Most Buck ILBs run 4.8s; Babineaux runs a 4.7. Eric Foster, Rutgers DE/ DT, is looked at by scouts as a buck ILB. A buck ILB needs to take on a lot of blocks and Babineaux would do that. He would likely need to get into the mid 270 range. 6'2 275 4.7. While it is not a sure thing he would do better there than at a 3-4 DE, where he would be short and low in weight.

                        If he would have a long term future with the team in the 3-4 it would be at the Buck ILB IMO.
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                        • #27
                          He doesn't have a long term future int he 3-4 he'd be gone next season. He doesn't have the coverage ability to play ILB...yes their main role isn't coverage, but that's called on from time to time, but considering he's been able to handle guards and pushing them around a good bit, 3-4 DE would be a fine position for him because he's able to get leverage.

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                          • #28
                            Too short. Too small. Too weak.

                            He is at best when penetrating, not holding ground. At buck ILB he would mostly blitz and stop the run. He probably would not have a future with the team in the 3-4 but it is a shame because he causes havoc in the backfield.
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                            • #29
                              You describing yourself? I mean you don't know what he could do at that position...if you remember he did a fine job when playing RE 2 seasons ago, yes I know it's not the same situation, but he could very well expand his ability and play 3-4 DE...simply because he's not the 'ideal' size, doesn't mean he's not a great football player. Just like Demeco Ryans...who if I remember right fell because of his size...a guy like Ernie Sims...tiny...but able to do it...Warrick Dunn...10000 yards...Jerome Bettis...WAY too big for a RB right? You can't fit everyone in the perfect mold, he could very well be capable as our stop gap at the 3-4 end position.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by iloxygenil View Post
                                You describing yourself? I mean you don't know what he could do at that position...if you remember he did a fine job when playing RE 2 seasons ago, yes I know it's not the same situation, but he could very well expand his ability and play 3-4 DE...simply because he's not the 'ideal' size, doesn't mean he's not a great football player. Just like Demeco Ryans...who if I remember right fell because of his size...a guy like Ernie Sims...tiny...but able to do it...Warrick Dunn...10000 yards...Jerome Bettis...WAY too big for a RB right? You can't fit everyone in the perfect mold, he could very well be capable as our stop gap at the 3-4 end position.
                                No, I am pretty strong and decent sized. But lets not get into that.

                                He did a fine job? What? Did you watch us play that season? We got gashed in the run game and he could not get around offensive tackles in the passing game. His arms are too short. He played horrible.

                                Completely different. Ryans is a ballhawk and Sims as well. MLBs can perform if they have big boys up front. They have been doing it for year, Derrick Brooks and Vilma are examples

                                Dunn, small backs have done it for years. Two of the all time leading rushers were undersized, those being Barry Sanders (5'8", 200) and Emmitt Smith (5'9" 215). And Warrick never was a true workhorse.

                                Bettis was huge and in a power running game. He was only 250 when young. Plenty have done good at 250.

                                Looking at top 3-4 defensive ends. Seymour (6'6" 310), Ngata (6'4" 340), Bryant Young (6'3" 305), Trevor Pryce (6'5" 286), Marcus Spears (6'4" 300), Chris Canty (6'7" 300), Igor Olshansky (6'6" 310). The only ones similar in size are Jarvis Green (6'3" 285) and Luis Castillo (6'3" 290), and they are still bigger.
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