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  • Rob S
    started a topic 2011 Draft Discussion & Mock Drafts

    2011 Draft Discussion & Mock Drafts

    Discuss the 2011 NFL Draft and post your Buffalo Bills' mocks!
    Last edited by Rob S; 08-12-2010, 04:27 PM.

  • Iamcanadian
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    Originally posted by Poz51 View Post
    While true, the old "10%" system, or what ever it was called, and Plan B free agency cost the Bills in the personnel department when those systems ended and FA started, but remember, Thurman Thomas was the highest paid back in the league until E. Smith was given a better contract by something like $50,000-$100,000, and When Jimbo finally came aboard he was given the richest contract in the league at the time in 1986, although it was only for something like 1.5 million per year, at the time that was serious coin. Ralph spends the money when he believes in doing so, he even gave Rob Johnson a 5 year 25 million dollar deal. Maybe a pittance in comparison to today, but in reality Ralph has spent in the past, and when he did it was not cheaply.
    We have to face it, there is a huge difference between what he was forced to pay Kelly and the 14-20 million, a top QB gets today. Ditto, for other positions.
    I'd bet you that Ralph was taking home 4 x the profit he currently makes from his team, maybe even more. That is clearly why, we haven't done very well since FA and the cap came into existence.

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  • Poz51
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    Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
    Unfortunately, FA and cap limits didn't exist during the Bills heyday under Kelly, etc. He could keep them on his roster for a pittance of what it would cost today. Thankfully, he is in his 90's and a new owner will be in place not too long in the future.
    While true, the old "10%" system, or what ever it was called, and Plan B free agency cost the Bills in the personnel department when those systems ended and FA started, but remember, Thurman Thomas was the highest paid back in the league until E. Smith was given a better contract by something like $50,000-$100,000, and When Jimbo finally came aboard he was given the richest contract in the league at the time in 1986, although it was only for something like 1.5 million per year, at the time that was serious coin. Ralph spends the money when he believes in doing so, he even gave Rob Johnson a 5 year 25 million dollar deal. Maybe a pittance in comparison to today, but in reality Ralph has spent in the past, and when he did it was not cheaply.

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  • Iamcanadian
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    Originally posted by Poz51 View Post
    I can clearly understand any scheptism with Ralph. Im not sure if he is all in with regards to winning. I do think he is making a commitment towards winning in letting Nix (an actual personnel man) run the show. Money is clearly an issue, to what degree I dont know, I dont have access to his books. I would love to see him spend money on players who are worth keeping around (Winfield for example) and fit what they are doing on the field, instead of his "loyal soldiers" (I.E. Kelsey). Winning changes everything, hopefully if Ralph is still around when it happens he opens up the wallet, he has done it in the past, he did spend to keep Bruce, Thurman, Kelly, Reed and Co. around util they were no longer worth what they were asking for in certain situations.
    Unfortunately, FA and cap limits didn't exist during the Bills heyday under Kelly, etc. He could keep them on his roster for a pittance of what it would cost today. Thankfully, he is in his 90's and a new owner will be in place not too long in the future.

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  • Poz51
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    Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
    I'm sorry, but I see no sign that Ralph has a commitment to winning, he may fantasize about it, but he just won't spend the money to make Buffalo a winner again. That is the bottom line.
    I can clearly understand any scheptism with Ralph. Im not sure if he is all in with regards to winning. I do think he is making a commitment towards winning in letting Nix (an actual personnel man) run the show. Money is clearly an issue, to what degree I dont know, I dont have access to his books. I would love to see him spend money on players who are worth keeping around (Winfield for example) and fit what they are doing on the field, instead of his "loyal soldiers" (I.E. Kelsey). Winning changes everything, hopefully if Ralph is still around when it happens he opens up the wallet, he has done it in the past, he did spend to keep Bruce, Thurman, Kelly, Reed and Co. around util they were no longer worth what they were asking for in certain situations.

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  • Iamcanadian
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    Originally posted by Poz51 View Post
    Ralph is going to have to keep some guys around if he truely wants to win a super bowl, and im not talking about Chris Kelsey...
    The talk would certainly lead you to believe that he is here for one more year depending on the CBA or out the door. So it looks like the drafting of DaNorris Searcy means there could be 4 guys who play alot early (if Whitner leaves), which IMO is good news as Dareus, Williams, Sheppard and Searcy, with Carrington, Troup, Moats and last years guys have a chance to really grow together, plus the depth behind should only enhance the team.
    Do you guys think they should shift the focus to offense in the draft, keep it on defense, or can they start mixing the two?
    I'm sorry, but I see no sign that Ralph has a commitment to winning, he may fantasize about it, but he just won't spend the money to make Buffalo a winner again. That is the bottom line.

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  • Poz51
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    Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
    I'll believe it when Ralph actually signs some of his top players to large contracts rather than see them leave through FA or trades. It has been awhile since he has done it.
    I'm hearing that Whitner is as good as gone.
    Originally posted by Buffalo M View Post
    The draft was excellent for getting 3 guys who may play a lot early, plus a few others who will be carried as backups. Dareus was outstanding.
    Ralph is going to have to keep some guys around if he truely wants to win a super bowl, and im not talking about Chris Kelsey...
    The talk would certainly lead you to believe that he is here for one more year depending on the CBA or out the door. So it looks like the drafting of DaNorris Searcy means there could be 4 guys who play alot early (if Whitner leaves), which IMO is good news as Dareus, Williams, Sheppard and Searcy, with Carrington, Troup, Moats and last years guys have a chance to really grow together, plus the depth behind should only enhance the team.
    Do you guys think they should shift the focus to offense in the draft, keep it on defense, or can they start mixing the two?

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  • Buffalo M
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    The draft was excellent for getting 3 guys who may play a lot early, plus a few others who will be carried as backups. Dareus was outstanding.

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  • Iamcanadian
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    I'll believe it when Ralph actually signs some of his top players to large contracts rather than see them leave through FA or trades. It has been awhile since he has done it.
    I'm hearing that Whitner is as good as gone.

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  • Poz51
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    Originally posted by Rob S View Post
    We wont get Luck, but add Barkley or Foles and pick up a LT in the 2nd and we could be in business. Things are looking up for the Buffalo Bills. God, thats the first time I said that in awhile.......
    I completely agree with things looking up, the last two drafts actually make sense and show direction. Landry from Oklahoma is a kid I will be watching very closely this year, if he improves his accuracy and descision making I think he has franchise/top five written all over him. I like the direction they are heading in alot, for the first time in a while indeed...

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  • Vox Populi
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    Originally posted by *** Ork Wang View Post
    Thats so awesome. I'm really interested in seeing what happens with him over the next three years (assuming he makes it through TC and at least onto the PS)

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  • ruthlessrussian
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    Originally posted by *** Ork Wang View Post
    Riiight?

    Really, for a 7th round pick, regardless of size and athleticism, I have little expectation for him to contribute to this team.

    Though I also thought the same thing about Stevie Johnson..

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  • Rosebud
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    Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
    What about Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield in their prime, both all pro CB's when they left via FA.
    Philly didn't think Peters wasn't worth the money, name another team that let these kind of foundation players just walk away. Peters simply wanted to be paid the going rate for a top LT in the NFL and Ralph refused to pay him accordingly. That is Ralph's track record in the Cap era which is why it has been so long since we have been a serious contender in the NFL. He's cheap, cheap and more cheap.
    I'll agree with you on Winfield, but Nate Clements was horribly overpaid, top teams like New England, Philadelphia and the Giants would have done the exact same thing, that was just too much money tied into one player who wasn't worth it, that's not being cheap.

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  • Gay Ork Wang
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post...448-in-january

    I think you got yourself a steal

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  • ruthlessrussian
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    Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
    What about Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield in their prime, both all pro CB's when they left via FA.
    Philly didn't think Peters wasn't worth the money, name another team that let these kind of foundation players just walk away. Peters simply wanted to be paid the going rate for a top LT in the NFL and Ralph refused to pay him accordingly. That is Ralph's track record in the Cap era which is why it has been so long since we have been a serious contender in the NFL. He's cheap, cheap and more cheap.
    Winfield yes. Pat Williams yes. Clements no way! Not that I didn't love the guy while he was a Bill, but in all honesty, would you have really wanted to keep him with a similar sized contract to the one he got from the 49ers?..

    And with Peters we got got compensation so losing him was not all that bad.

    But I do get what your saying. We do need to stop drafting to fill holes.
    Last edited by ruthlessrussian; 05-01-2011, 06:03 PM.

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