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  • Be easy on Jauron. I did a scouting/player personnel internship for the Bills over the summer. I saw him everyday for more than a month. He's one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. In all honesty the Bills are really young and don't have a ton of talent. I don't think that 7-9 is bad with the collection of talent the team has, but that's just my opinion.

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    • Originally posted by jdcozart View Post
      Be easy on Jauron. I did a scouting/player personnel internship for the Bills over the summer. I saw him everyday for more than a month. He's one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. In all honesty the Bills are really young and don't have a ton of talent. I don't think that 7-9 is bad with the collection of talent the team has, but that's just my opinion.
      Sweet job, I do scouting too (well, for baseball). Yeah I'm a fan of him as a person and all but his play calling is way too conservative. I'd like to see him back with a new OC.



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      • Originally posted by fischbowl View Post
        Sweet job, I do scouting too (well, for baseball). Yeah I'm a fan of him as a person and all but his play calling is way too conservative. I'd like to see him back with a new OC.
        Who do you scout for? That's really cool that you're a scout. I'm graduating in May so I still have to get a job, but the internship was a HUGE step...I'm not a fan of Schonert either.

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        • Originally posted by jdcozart View Post
          Who do you scout for? That's really cool that you're a scout. I'm graduating in May so I still have to get a job, but the internship was a HUGE step...I'm not a fan of Schonert either.
          Cardinals. DII, DIII, and JuCo. I just started.



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          • Originally posted by fischbowl View Post
            Cardinals. DII, DIII, and JuCo. I just started.
            That's really sweet man. Congratulations! I'm working hard to become a scout myself. I'm going to he Senior Bowl in a couple weeks and staying throughout to network and I have gotten into the NFL Combine the last two years and sat amongst the scouts and coaches so hopefully I'll be scouting same as you soon! Stay in touch because if and when I get in the league I've always wanted to make contacts in the other major sports so I could get some tickets to MLB/NBA games and hook my friend up with some NFL tickets. Shoot me an e-mail at jdcozart@bsu.edu. Oh, my name is Jon.

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            • Originally posted by jdcozart View Post
              Be easy on Jauron. I did a scouting/player personnel internship for the Bills over the summer. I saw him everyday for more than a month. He's one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. In all honesty the Bills are really young and don't have a ton of talent. I don't think that 7-9 is bad with the collection of talent the team has, but that's just my opinion.
              I disagree. I can accept 7-9 this year which is only Edwards 2nd year as a starter but I will really question Jauron if he cannot produce a winner by next season. To be fair, our owner must keep the team intact and use his draft picks to improve the team and not just to replace FA's lost. This has been a familiar pattern for the past decade. Hopefully the money secured from the Toronto self off of games will provide us with enough income to change our philosophy.
              Jauron is on the very hot seat for me. Win or else.
              And proud of it!!!

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              • Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
                I disagree. I can accept 7-9 this year which is only Edwards 2nd year as a starter but I will really question Jauron if he cannot produce a winner by next season. To be fair, our owner must keep the team intact and use his draft picks to improve the team and not just to replace FA's lost. This has been a familiar pattern for the past decade. Hopefully the money secured from the Toronto self off of games will provide us with enough income to change our philosophy.
                Jauron is on the very hot seat for me. Win or else.
                I am in full agreement.

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                • Originally posted by jdcozart View Post
                  Be easy on Jauron. I did a scouting/player personnel internship for the Bills over the summer. I saw him everyday for more than a month. He's one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. In all honesty the Bills are really young and don't have a ton of talent. I don't think that 7-9 is bad with the collection of talent the team has, but that's just my opinion.
                  I'm sure he is, but that doesnt factor into him being on the hot seat or not. Rod Marinelli seems like maybe the classiest coach in the NFL. The way he handled the media this season was nothing short of remarkable, but he still went 0-16 and was fired (rightfully so). Juaron has to produce on the field, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If you get FOUR YEARS (thats a lifetime for coaches now), you damn well better at least be able to muster one winning season. Next year has to be the year for DJ for sure. Maybe the team doesnt have winning record talent (I beg to differ, but that for another time), but it is the coach and GM's job to bring in players, and he has clearly not gotten it done if that is the case. Now, Ralph is cheap and I am sure we have lost players DJ wanted to keep and so on......but if you are going to coach the Bills, that means u get Ralph and u have to win with what u are supplied. Sorry, Buffalo may be a tougher place to win bc of Ralph's cheapness, but bc he is cheap doesnt mean a coach has a free pass to go 7-9 every year (look at DelRio in JAX, that man gets it done). If DJ cant do it with what Ralph is providing, let someone else have a shot......even if it fails it is an attempt to win. I would rather at least like to see my team aspire to something greater than continue to mire in mediocrity, which so far defines DJ's tenure as head coach of the Buffalo Bills.


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                  • Originally posted by Rob S View Post
                    I'm sure he is, but that doesnt factor into him being on the hot seat or not. Rod Marinelli seems like maybe the classiest coach in the NFL. The way he handled the media this season was nothing short of remarkable, but he still went 0-16 and was fired (rightfully so). Juaron has to produce on the field, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If you get FOUR YEARS (thats a lifetime for coaches now), you damn well better at least be able to muster one winning season. Next year has to be the year for DJ for sure. Maybe the team doesnt have winning record talent (I beg to differ, but that for another time), but it is the coach and GM's job to bring in players, and he has clearly not gotten it done if that is the case. Now, Ralph is cheap and I am sure we have lost players DJ wanted to keep and so on......but if you are going to coach the Bills, that means u get Ralph and u have to win with what u are supplied. Sorry, Buffalo may be a tougher place to win bc of Ralph's cheapness, but bc he is cheap doesnt mean a coach has a free pass to go 7-9 every year (look at DelRio in JAX, that man gets it done). If DJ cant do it with what Ralph is providing, let someone else have a shot......even if it fails it is an attempt to win. I would rather at least like to see my team aspire to something greater than continue to mire in mediocrity, which so far defines DJ's tenure as head coach of the Buffalo Bills.


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                    Well I guess I'm going to have trouble looking at this objectively since I've worked with him and I'm very good friends with one of his daughters, but I don't know why you all think that the Bills have such great talent. I like most of the guys since I was around them every day too, but athletically who excites you? I like Lynch. I talked to him a lot and I think he's dynamic. I really like Fred Jackson and I think he's underrated. Evans is good, but he isn't near what he should be given the average performances out of the QB position. McGee is good and I like Stroud too. Roscoe is a beast but only on ST. Peters is special, but consistently unhappy with his contract situation. The WRs are average. Same with the LBs. Schobel is overrated and Kelsey is a great guy, but needs to be part of a rotation. Not a starter. The secondary is improved this year, but Whitner and Simpson just do not make big plays ala Polamolu, Reed, Sanders. I do not see a playoff team right now and the talent on the team isn't a reflection on Jauron. He doesn't have final say on personnel decisions even though the team doesn't have a GM. The team needs more special players like Lynch and Peters before I will call them playoff contenders. Right now 7-9 is the best the team can hope for again next year in a tough division.

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                    • Originally posted by jdcozart View Post
                      Well I guess I'm going to have trouble looking at this objectively since I've worked with him and I'm very good friends with one of his daughters, but I don't know why you all think that the Bills have such great talent. I like most of the guys since I was around them every day too, but athletically who excites you? I like Lynch. I talked to him a lot and I think he's dynamic. I really like Fred Jackson and I think he's underrated. Evans is good, but he isn't near what he should be given the average performances out of the QB position. McGee is good and I like Stroud too. Roscoe is a beast but only on ST. Peters is special, but consistently unhappy with his contract situation. The WRs are average. Same with the LBs. Schobel is overrated and Kelsey is a great guy, but needs to be part of a rotation. Not a starter. The secondary is improved this year, but Whitner and Simpson just do not make big plays ala Polamolu, Reed, Sanders. I do not see a playoff team right now and the talent on the team isn't a reflection on Jauron. He doesn't have final say on personnel decisions even though the team doesn't have a GM. The team needs more special players like Lynch and Peters before I will call them playoff contenders. Right now 7-9 is the best the team can hope for again next year in a tough division.
                      But you can't keep accepting mediocrity year after year after year. Even if a nice coach is doing all he can with the players he has, if that keeps resulting in missing the playoffs, then you have to see if some other coach can get them there, even if you don't know if it's possible. You can't just keep saying "good job" at 7-9.
                      Do the Dolphins have amazing talent? No, but look at what they did. And Jauron isn't doing the best he could be, anyway. Browns and 49ers at home? Swept by Jets and Dolphins? We could be doing better.
                      Against the poor teams we did beat (and should beat - we're not the least talented team in the league) and the good teams that beat us, this season was a showcase of poor coaching. Player underperformance was there, too, in high quantity. But it was not a good year for the staff. (Save Bobby April, he is glorious)

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                      • Bobby April ftw!

                        well said mcgee.
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                        • Originally posted by SuperMcgee View Post
                          But you can't keep accepting mediocrity year after year after year. Even if a nice coach is doing all he can with the players he has, if that keeps resulting in missing the playoffs, then you have to see if some other coach can get them there, even if you don't know if it's possible. You can't just keep saying "good job" at 7-9.
                          Do the Dolphins have amazing talent? No, but look at what they did. And Jauron isn't doing the best he could be, anyway. Browns and 49ers at home? Swept by Jets and Dolphins? We could be doing better.
                          Against the poor teams we did beat (and should beat - we're not the least talented team in the league) and the good teams that beat us, this season was a showcase of poor coaching. Player underperformance was there, too, in high quantity. But it was not a good year for the staff. (Save Bobby April, he is glorious)
                          April for Head Coach '10!



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                          • Originally posted by fischbowl View Post
                            April for Head Coach '10!
                            Bobby April is amazing! No arguement there.

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                            • The Death Of The Tampa 2 ...

                              The Death Of The Tampa 2

                              http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...f-the-tampa-2/

                              The Death Of The Tampa 2

                              As we prepare to watch the NFC and AFC championship games on Sunday, I had a thought this week. Like any young aspiring writer, I scribbled it down on Tuesday. It was just a thought at the time, but I believe now is the time to talk about it.

                              I think the Tampa 2 defense is being phased out of the NFL.

                              Think about it. More important, think about it as you watch the championship games on Sunday between bowls of Texas chili and cold bottles of Miller High Life. There will be no Tampa 2, no undersized linebackers dropping to a spot and no safeties playing close to 20 yards off the line of scrimmage. No rushing the passer with your front four on third downs and playing coverage behind it, and no middle linebacker running down the middle of the field trying to keep up with a slot receiver who runs a 4.3 in the 40.

                              Instead, we will watch Pittsburgh (the No. 1 unit in total defense), Baltimore (No. 2 in total defense), Philadelphia (No. 3 in total defense) and Arizona (maybe the most surprising defense in the playoffs). All four of these defenses play with pressure in mind — zone blitzes, man coverage blitzes and even zero coverage blitzes. They don’t sit back and react. They don’t have a “top” to their defense so that nobody can get behind them. They don’t wait — they attack.

                              Ladies and gentlemen, this is the new defense in the NFL. Look, everyone in this league copies the best teams, and if you’re in the final four of the NFL playoffs, you are one of the best teams. Think about the teams who run the Tampa 2 scheme as their No. 1 call: Chicago, Minnesota, Buffalo, Tampa, Indianapolis and Detroit. Where are they now? At home, watching these four defenses go after quarterbacks, challenge receivers and create turnovers — instead of waiting for them to fall in their laps because of a bad decision by the quarterback.

                              Plus, Detroit just hired Jim Schwartz from the Tennessee Titans as their new head coach. Last time I checked, the Titans’ defense went after people, so you can forget about playing Tampa 2 in Detroit. In fact, you may never see it again.

                              My point is that the NFL is cyclical. It changes, it morphs into the “new rage,” and right now, that rage is blitz-happy defenses with corners who can play man to man and get in the face of highly paid wide receivers. They dictate not only the tone of the game, but they alter the game plans of opposing offenses. They tell the offense what they can and can’t do with their pressure.

                              This is how football generally works. It’s the same in the college game. Gone are the days of Jamel Halloway and the wishbone triple option attack at Oklahoma, and the days of Tommie Frazier at Nebraska. The University of Miami became great because they recruited defensive players who could run sideline to sideline and stop the triple option. Now it’s the “spread offense” and Tim Tebow. Everyone sets up in the shotgun and slings it all over the field. You now need to recruit quarterbacks who can throw and run, or defensive backs who can cover five-receiver sets. Football changes and so do the schemes that teams run.

                              For that reason, I see the end of the Tampa 2 in the near future. Sure, every team will run Cover 2 from time to time, but the days of it becoming the lead call in this league are short. Offenses have figured out ways to beat it. The seven-man run front it provides can be carved up by an athletic offensive line and a strong running game, and quarterbacks like Kurt Warner can eat it up with basic routes that expose the holes it allows.

                              Detroit will be the first team to throw it in the garbage, and soon, others will follow. Monte Kiffin is leaving the Bucs to challenge the SEC, Tony Dungy has retired and the rest of the coaches using the Tampa 2 might be searching for jobs if they don’t win next year.

                              Everything — even good things — come to an end in life, and now, in the NFL.
                              Matt Bowen, the writer, is a former Bill. He joined the team in 2006, when the Bills were implementing the Tampa-2, under Jauron and Fewell (who came from Chicago). The Bills have migrated from the Tampa-2 in 2006 because they did not have the personnel, to a Cover-2 in 2007 as their MLBs could not cover the larger zones and given those defenses miserable success against the Pats have again moved away from it to a standard 4-3.

                              Also the Tampa-2 and Cover-2 values speed and quickness and not stoutness. The Bills play December games where the elements come into play (see the last Pats game). Speed off the edge in those games are mitigated because in those games, teams pound the ball running.

                              Bowen was here, with the Bills, when they were running a Tampa-2 and that is Jauron's and Fewell's pedigree, he does include Buffalo on that list as being a Tampa-2 team. I believe they are migrating away from it as of 2008, and have made the efforts to move away from it. I believe the Bills are moving away from the Tampa-2 and Cover-2 being their base defense. Per what Bowen says above and because of what they did on the field this year, the personnel they acquired last offseason and the success of the Giants against the Pats juggernaut in the Super Bowl last year, it makes sense.

                              What the Giants, and what the Titans run is a standard 4-3. The Giants will use the blitz more but the Titans, who will play a lot of man-to-man and don't blitz as often, both rely on the front four to pressure the QB. The Bills used a base 4-3, but since they can't pressure with their front four they needed to back it up with a lot of nickle. Hence the Bills draft in 2008. They drafted three CBs. They drafted CBs while already having McGee, Greer, Youboty, and Will James on the roster, that plus Whitner can and plays the slot receiver on occasion. They want to move to man, and McKelvin has the traits to do so. The Bills just can't generate a pass rush from the front 4 and therefore need to play nickle to hold the fort.

                              Kawika is not a WLB in a Cover-2/Tampa-2, he is more stout then quick. He is much larger then what is required. Stroud is stout, can penetrate but the Bills do misuse him often by playing him on the nose straight on the guard. Spencer Johnson skill set allows him to line at DT and DE depending upon the personnel groupings. Furthermore, Ellis in the 3rd is a longer and larger DE and there were better rush OLBs who could play DE in the Tampa-2 still on the board (ie. Cliff Avril who went to the Lions). The Bills want their DEs to be athletic, heavy and long enough to attack the inside B and twist and stunt the A Gaps, not just rush the edge. They want their DEs to play the 1 alignment and control the B gap.

                              The Bills could still be using Cover-2 as their base, their personnel moves last year make little sense then. I don't believe they use it as their base, and they probably still have it in their package. But what Bowen states above, and I agree, is that the Tampa-2 Defense is dying, think of how the Patriots have manhandled the Bills in the past and the Colts since Dungy was there, that is also a compelling case for it to be already dead.

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                              • I still think if we changed to a 3-4 and drafted as if we drafted for the 3-4, our defense could actually scare some teams. But it wont happen, which pisses me off.


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