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  • Anyone know where our draft pick is as of now?
    When I eat, it is the food that is scared.

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    • I don't think that Fletcher will be back next year, and you can quote me on that. I am even banking on it. I watched a video of him after the Titans game and when asked about the outlook of the future of the team, he said, "I don't know. We'll see." (or something like that)

      Personally, I hope that McGahee doesn't get an extension. He talks too much and doesn't produce enough for me. I really think that he would be much more comfortable playing in the south somewhere, probably Miami. I don't think that he ever liked Buffalo.

      I am a HUGE advocate of Michael Turner, but its a shame that he is an RFA. Also, the Jets are very interested in him and McGahee isn't a UFA until next year. It's a real shame because he is going to be a player in this league when he starts for sure. Kinda reminiscent of Earl Campbell with more speed. Runs violently and has top end speed. My kind of back.

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      • Originally posted by art vandelay
        I don't think that Fletcher will be back next year, and you can quote me on that. I am even banking on it. I watched a video of him after the Titans game and when asked about the outlook of the future of the team, he said, "I don't know. We'll see." (or something like that)

        Personally, I hope that McGahee doesn't get an extension. He talks too much and doesn't produce enough for me. I really think that he would be much more comfortable playing in the south somewhere, probably Miami. I don't think that he ever liked Buffalo.

        I am a HUGE advocate of Michael Turner, but its a shame that he is an RFA. Also, the Jets are very interested in him and McGahee isn't a UFA until next year. It's a real shame because he is going to be a player in this league when he starts for sure. Kinda reminiscent of Earl Campbell with more speed. Runs violently and has top end speed. My kind of back.
        That's what everybody thought about Lamont Jordan of Oakland when he was second string behind Martin. It's a whole different story now that he's the feature back. Nothing is for sure about a second stringer.
        And proud of it!!!

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        • As far as Clements is concerned - I like him, but not for Champ Bailey $. Clements had a great season for his contract year if you think about it. Horrible start where he didn't seem to be trying too much, then a great end where he really turned it on and people recognized it. Now he will command top corner $ and we shouldn't give it to him IMO.

          Another point - thanks Tom Donahoe! Not something I say alot, but thanks for locking up Schobel. I didn't like it at the time, but he has definitely produced and lived up to the money he got.

          I don't think we will sign Clements or Fletcher. I hope we pursue Steinbach, Dielman or Locklear instead. I hope we stay away from Leonard Davis. Unlike SM, I do not like Gandy and hope he doesn't come back. I initially didn't like Fowler, but he has played well enough to start next year.

          I really only see 3 players on our line who should be starting next year - Peters, Folwer and Pennington. The 2 guard spots can definitely be upgraded. Villareal looks like he is done. Preston is only an adequate starter and would be better slated as a backup. Gandy may or may not be re-signed. Looks like FA/Draft for the guard spots.

          Anderson, Tim DT RFA - Hope to God that he isn't resigned but for some reason I could see if he is. Beaten out by a rookie and shouldn't be re-signed. Not resigned.
          Clements, Nate CB UFA - Shouldn't be given top corner $. Not resigned.
          Davis, Andre WR UFA - Too many WR's and too much $ put into mediocre WR's already (Price and Reed). Not resigned.
          Fletcher-Baker, London LB UFA - Really hope he is re-signed, but doesn't seem like he wants to be here anymore. Not resigned.
          Gandy, Mike OL UFA - Hope he isn't resigned; I will be forever scarred from that Lions game where HE GAVE UP 4 SACKS IN ONE GAME TO JAMES HALL. Better alternatives in FA and the draft. Not resigned.
          Greer, Jabari CB RFA - Like him for cheap. Re-signed.
          Hargrove, Anthony DE RFA - Like him alot, he has fit in well here after coming midseason and not even having a full training camp. Re-signed.
          Kelsay, Chris DE UFA - Hope he is re-signed. I like him and Denney's rotation and production togehter. Put them together and they combine for 11.5 sacks, which is good for a starting DE. They are basically the same DE and compliment each other nicely. Seems to fit the system. Should be a priority. Re-signed.
          Lindell, Rian PK UFA - Already Re-signed!
          Preston, Duke OL ERFA - Hope he isn't re-signed for starter $. I just don't think he will every be a consistent starter. Wouldn't mind if he is signed for the minimum or something cheap like that. I would rather give money to him than Gandy, though. Re-signed.
          Shelton, Daimon FB UFA - "The Rock" is a great blocker, not a good reciever. Who cares, we don't need him to catch the ball. Re-signed.
          Thomas, Anthony RB UFA - A horse who played well in spot duty. I really think that someone will overpay for him as he is a UFA. Not-resigned.
          Thomas, Kiwaukee CB UFA - Where are your hands? Not resigned.
          Williams, Shaud RB RFA - Hope he isn't resigned. Too small and doesn't have good enough hands to be a 3DRB. Wouldn't mind if he got the minimum. Probably will be cut in camp. Re-signed.
          Wire, Coy S UFA - Great special teamer obviously. Could have a future at LB? Re-signed.

          My rough line next year:
          Peters - FA (Steinbach/Dielman/Locklear) - Fowler - Draft (Blalock)/Preston/Villarreal - Pennington

          My early wish list for the offseason:
          1. MICHAEL TURNER
          2. Eric Steinbach
          3. Kris Dielman
          4. Sean Locklear
          5. London Fletcher
          6. Chris Kelsay

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          • Originally posted by Iamcanadian
            Originally posted by art vandelay
            I don't think that Fletcher will be back next year, and you can quote me on that. I am even banking on it. I watched a video of him after the Titans game and when asked about the outlook of the future of the team, he said, "I don't know. We'll see." (or something like that)

            Personally, I hope that McGahee doesn't get an extension. He talks too much and doesn't produce enough for me. I really think that he would be much more comfortable playing in the south somewhere, probably Miami. I don't think that he ever liked Buffalo.

            I am a HUGE advocate of Michael Turner, but its a shame that he is an RFA. Also, the Jets are very interested in him and McGahee isn't a UFA until next year. It's a real shame because he is going to be a player in this league when he starts for sure. Kinda reminiscent of Earl Campbell with more speed. Runs violently and has top end speed. My kind of back.
            That's what everybody thought about Lamont Jordan of Oakland when he was second string behind Martin. It's a whole different story now that he's the feature back. Nothing is for sure about a second stringer.
            Jordan doesn't even come close to the speed of Turner and doesn't run as violently. Also, Jordan produced last year behind a very mediocre offensive line. This year the line was even worse this year and he still managed to put up respectable stats. That's beside the point though, because you can't say since this happened to one guy, it will happen to another. Turner should be starting in this league. I guarantee that Turner is a Top 10 back in 2 years if he is given the opportunity to start.

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            • Well, with the season coming to an end I guess it is almost time to look ahead to next season now that we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. It has been a good season and this next game means absolutely nothing to either team really. Baltimore has clinched a top three seed and will probably win on sunday and clinch a first round bye. We exceeded my expectations, but only because of a strong second half to the season.

              Well, for our offense, JP took large strides this year and played better than everyone in his draft class except maybe Rivers, yet people still aren't writing Eli Manning off who was much much worse than JP and he obviously has a lot more talent around him, just not as good of coaching and offensive leadership. Quarterback is pretty much not even a possibility in this draft unless we want another backup if Holcomb leaves and that will be a late round guy in the sixth or seventh.

              We can all agree that Willis McGahee wasn't who we thought he was before last season finally. He doesn't run with autority unless we are playing against the Jets and doesn't look good running up the gut. Running back could be an area that we address on the second day if there is a guy that we think could start for us some day. The A-Train will probably be gone next year because someone will look and notice that he ran for 100 yards in a game for us and offer him too much money, if not I wouldn't mind having him back but I don't think he will be back. Shaud Williams is as good as gone and I don't see Shelton going anywhere.

              Lee Evans had the breakout year finally to compliment the finish he had last year. He will be a great deep threat for years to come for us. We all know that we have depth at receiver because all we have after Evans is a bunch of slot receivers. We will drop Davis in the off season probably, even though I want him back to cover punts and kicks next year because he has been very solid on special teams. We will probably see at least 2 receivers gone next year and the problem with that is that the two that will probably be leaving are Aiken and Davis, the two that don't do much at all to jam up our receivers. We need to get rid of Price IMO because with him out of the way we can get Parrish more involved and Reed is more reliable and can do more in space IMO. Price is just a run, catch and fall over guy unless it is a screen pass. We need to bring in a big lanky target for Losman somehow and I would really like Matt Trannon of Michigan State. Unfortunately I don't think we have a shot at him because we traded our fifth rounder for Hargrove. Trannon could also line up as a tight end and create even bigger mis-matches. I think that we might get Jarrett in round one though. Robert Royal is decent, but I don't think we take a tight end in the draft unless Spaeth, Miller or Newton last until the late third round or early fourth where we could trade up to grab one of them.

              The offensive line has been better this year and I like what this staff is doing. I prefer the small lineman that they use, but not small to the extent of the Falcons or Broncos where they can't pass block at all. I don't think that we draft an offensive tackle at all in the first four or five rounds this year unless Baker or Long go against what they have said and come out and fall into our laps with Jarrett off the board. I would like to have Gandy back but only if he will accept to be payed like a backup and not start every game, he is much better at guard than tackle. Fowler has been great this year for us. The right side is the conundrum though. Preston and Pennington are both average. Pennington looks to be promising and I hope that we keep him around and give him some chances. Preston however I would like to see as a backup, he isn't starter material and I hope that we get rid of Villariall in the off season because he was horrible all year.

              The defensive ends are fine right now and I don't think we draft one at all unless Gaines Adams falls to us in the draft. We essentially drafted an old, NFL ready player in the fifth round when we traded for Anthony Hargrove. Kelsay and Denney combine to be a pretty solid end and are very good, where Schobel is a great pass rusher and isn't as bad against the run as other ends his size.

              The tackles are an issue, but they are young so I don't think we will look for any one. Especially because we got Tripplett last year via-free agency. McCargo looks like he will be pretty good and Williams will be a solid every once in a while guy. I really hope we don't see anymore of Tim Andersen though.

              Linebackers are all right, the only problem is Fletcher because if we don't sign him we have an awkward situation. We could draft a guy like Buster Davis who is pretty much the same player with younger legs or we could move Crowell into that role and let Ellison and Spiks play outside. I don't see much of a problem either way and if we resign FLetcher, even better, I wouldn't mind trading up a little in round two and grabbing Buster Davis if he escapes round one which is a very likely possibility with a bunch of 34 defenses at the end of round one or cover-2 teams that won't take him, so no one should reach for him in the early twenties and if we trade up in round two we could definitely get him.

              Cornerback is the same as linebacker, I really want Clements back after how he has played lately, more so than I want Fletcher back. If we don't bring Nate back we are left with McGee and Youboty, that isn't an ideal situation unless Youboty gets a lot better in the off season. I think that Kiwaukee Thomas is gone but we resign Greer. I would LOVE to have Daymeion Hughes in the second round, but I don't think we can get him unless we take him in round one and the only way we do that is if he runs faster than he is supposed to in workouts.

              Safety, no problem, sign Coy Wire back up and thats all. Whitner and Simpson have been great for rookies and we can only expect more from them with age. They are both young too, for rookies.

              Special teams, Lindell and Moorman are both back next year. Parrish and McGee as well. If we get Wire under contract our coverage leader is back again next year. April is the man.

              I would really like to see us trade down in the draft to around 25 and pick up another third round pick or something. Then we trade our second round pick and acquired third for an earlier second and a fifth. Could be hard to pull off, but very possible, then our draft could look something like this.

              1. Daymeion Hughes CB California
              2. Buster Davis LB Florida State
              3. James Marten OL Boston College
              4. Martrez Milner TE Georgia
              5. Matt Trannon WR Michigan State
              6. Selvin Young RB Texas
              7. Lester Ricard QB Tulane

              This pretty much sets us up in a great situation next year whether or not we resign Clements and Fletcher or not. It adds a pass catching tight end and a guy who could evolve into an incredible tight-end or slot receiver who is a massive target with some speed. We get a 3DRB and a third QB if Holcomb is gone, also a guy who went to the same school as Losman.

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              • Space Ghost, our write-ups seem to agree on pretty much ever single point (with you offering a more in-depth look by addressing all positions, not just big needs, as well as a mock even, so kudos to you).

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                • Originally posted by art vandelay
                  Davis, Andre WR UFA - Too many WR's and too much $ put into mediocre WR's already (Price and Reed). Not resigned.
                  Fletcher-Baker, London LB UFA - Really hope he is re-signed, but doesn't seem like he wants to be here anymore. Not resigned.
                  Gandy, Mike OL UFA - Hope he isn't resigned; I will be forever scarred from that Lions game where HE GAVE UP 4 SACKS IN ONE GAME TO JAMES HALL. Better alternatives in FA and the draft. Not resigned.
                  Andre Davis has been a great gunner for us, but yeah, thats about it

                  Why do you say Fletcher doesn't want to be here?

                  And I definitely want to sign Gandy. He gave up 4 sacks out of position. He's a fine guard and I'd rather have him back than worry about replacing him with some mediocre FA or Merz. Preston needs to be replaced first and with the already-slim chance of drafting a starting caliber guard for the right side, there's no chance we get a LG that I'd be comfortable starting with the remaining draft possibilities and our cheap free agency approach. Gandy is near the top of my re-signing list along with our DEs and the best we can do between Fletcher and Clements

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                  • Originally posted by SuperMcgee
                    Originally posted by art vandelay
                    Davis, Andre WR UFA - Too many WR's and too much $ put into mediocre WR's already (Price and Reed). Not resigned.
                    Fletcher-Baker, London LB UFA - Really hope he is re-signed, but doesn't seem like he wants to be here anymore. Not resigned.
                    Gandy, Mike OL UFA - Hope he isn't resigned; I will be forever scarred from that Lions game where HE GAVE UP 4 SACKS IN ONE GAME TO JAMES HALL. Better alternatives in FA and the draft. Not resigned.
                    Andre Davis has been a great gunner for us, but yeah, thats about it

                    Why do you say Fletcher doesn't want to be here?

                    And I definitely want to sign Gandy. He gave up 4 sacks out of position. He's a fine guard and I'd rather have him back than worry about replacing him with some mediocre FA or Merz. Preston needs to be replaced first and with the already-slim chance of drafting a starting caliber guard for the right side, there's no chance we get a LG that I'd be comfortable starting with the remaining draft possibilities and our cheap free agency approach. Gandy is near the top of my re-signing list along with our DEs and the best we can do between Fletcher and Clements
                    Go to:
                    BuffaloBills.com
                    Then click on Multimedia
                    Then go to Page 3 of the Videos
                    Click on "Fletcher and Lindell Postgame Comments"


                    Then tell me what you think.

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                    • I actually like Davis' skill set as a WR more than Reed, but he won't be re-signed because we invested $20 Million in 2 mediocre WR's last season. He has been a great gunner as well.

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                      • Originally posted by art vandelay
                        Originally posted by SuperMcgee
                        Originally posted by art vandelay
                        Davis, Andre WR UFA - Too many WR's and too much $ put into mediocre WR's already (Price and Reed). Not resigned.
                        Fletcher-Baker, London LB UFA - Really hope he is re-signed, but doesn't seem like he wants to be here anymore. Not resigned.
                        Gandy, Mike OL UFA - Hope he isn't resigned; I will be forever scarred from that Lions game where HE GAVE UP 4 SACKS IN ONE GAME TO JAMES HALL. Better alternatives in FA and the draft. Not resigned.
                        Andre Davis has been a great gunner for us, but yeah, thats about it

                        Why do you say Fletcher doesn't want to be here?

                        And I definitely want to sign Gandy. He gave up 4 sacks out of position. He's a fine guard and I'd rather have him back than worry about replacing him with some mediocre FA or Merz. Preston needs to be replaced first and with the already-slim chance of drafting a starting caliber guard for the right side, there's no chance we get a LG that I'd be comfortable starting with the remaining draft possibilities and our cheap free agency approach. Gandy is near the top of my re-signing list along with our DEs and the best we can do between Fletcher and Clements
                        Go to:
                        BuffaloBills.com
                        Then click on Multimedia
                        Then go to Page 3 of the Videos
                        Click on "Fletcher and Lindell Postgame Comments"


                        Then tell me what you think.
                        Hasn't convinced me

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                        • Originally posted by art vandelay
                          I actually like Davis' skill set as a WR more than Reed, but he won't be re-signed because we invested $20 in 2 mediocre WR's last season. He has been a great gunner as well.
                          I like him as a deep threat and that is it, but I really want him back as a special teamer, he is lights out covering punts. I hope we can get him to settle for base salary. I want to get rid of Price more than any other receiver, then after him probably Aiken because Reed is a better Special Teamer than him anyways.

                          Oh, and that video didn't really convince me of anything Art. I just don't think that we will get Fletcher back for some reason, I think signing Clements will be the larger task at hand and we will want to try and get that done first.

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                          • I essentially agree on most points. However, I think Davis should be resigned, he offers us a great deal on special teams and w/ our team so devoted to STs I think we'll keep him around.

                            Would love to see Fletch resigned and hopefully see Nate tendered because it seems like teams are going to be willing to pay a pretty penny for him. If not, he's not worth breaking the bank for. As for Hughes, I think he'll slip, he doesn't seem like a 1st rounder to me but I guess we'll see. Anderson is a FA so one way or another we'll need to acquire another DT.

                            I had a slightly different idea as to the draft. Trannon seems like a guy that will go undrafted and really never be any good. Everytime I see him play he looks slow, lazy, and unable to use his body as he should.

                            Assuming we lose to Baltimore (which I hope we do, just no injuries) that puts us in the 10-15 range. Assuming we get the 13th pick, we could trade down to the 22nd pick and pick up that teams 2nd round pick as well (according to the draft value chart). If this played out (w/out getting picks for Nate) we'd be in good shape to do the following i think...

                            1. Sidney Rice- something about him excites me more than jarrett.
                            2a. Josh Beekman- less ?s than Blalock, less salary than Blalock, just as solid (if not moreso)
                            2b. Hughes/best available CB- lots of cb depth in the draft, good spot to nab one
                            3. Joe Newton- TEs will fall because of no standouts and similar depth among 6 or 7 of them, i like newton the best.
                            4. Best available LB- fletch back or not, seems like a good idea to grab a LB for depth
                            6. Isaiah Stanback? Athletic freak. QB? WR? 6'4 Randall El? I'd pay a 6th round pick to find out w/ him in a Billls uni.
                            7. Jordan Kent?- Potential out the A$S, hard worker, great guy and seen a lot of improvement in just 1 1/2 yrs of playing football.

                            Seems like a good draft to me, and fairly realistic. This is without getting picks from Nate (which i really hope we do...imagine a productive draft like this and adding another 1st and 3rd...makes a bills fan drool...)

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                            • Wow glazeduck , how did you fit Rice, Beekman, Hughes, Newton and Waters into that, they are pretty much my favourite players at their positions in this draft. Are you watching me right now?

                              I would LOVE to have Beekman on our line next year, IMO, he is the best interior lineman in this draft, better than Joseph last year as well. He just has that IT that you want in an offensive lineman, he dominates the line all night long. If we got him I would rather he played on the left side beside Peters than on the right side proably.

                              I would faint if we drafted Sidney Rice, to me, not to everyone else though, he will be the best receiver out of this draft class behind only Calvin Johnson. Turn on your TV he is dominating right now, even if it is pretty bad competition, he would start out against teams number two corners because of Lee Evans. He is the kind of big target we need for Losman to throw it towards. Unfortunately I don't believe he will be coming out this year, but I wouldn't say it is 100 percent yet.

                              I can't see Nate being tagged again this year, his salary would be more than just giving him a long term contract and no one would want to trade for him probably. Our best plan with Nate is offer him a suitable contract or let him walk and sign with Houston or Washington or some team that will give him big money.

                              After today's game and wonders I can't see Newton lasting until the third round. He was incredible and scored the game winning touchdown as well as another catch for a score against a solid Mizzoo defense. I would love to have him on the team, but I can't see him lasting thru 2 rounds of the draft.

                              I don't really know much about Trannon, but if we could get him as an UDFA I would be pumped because we could let him learn and get in shape and you know with our coaching staff they would expect that, I just don't know if they would want to take on such a project like him. He just has incredible size for the position which really jumped out at me.

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                              • I agree w/ Rice. He seems like he has a lot better burst and better hands. The guy I really want is Marcus Monk, but I don't even think he's eligible to come out.

                                As for tagging Nate, we wouldn't have to pay him anything if he signed w/ another team, we'd simply get compensated for him. I don't know that it will happen, maybe its a pipe-dream, but it seems like a better answer than letting him walk for free (I don't consider a future comp pick as of being much worth to us at the moment.)

                                Newton is tough to gauge, i don't think any of the TEs will be taken w/ the first 40 picks or so, but its tough to tell, they're all so close that it could simply come down to a teams preference as to who falls and who goes, but one thing is certain in my mind and thats that we need to give JP weapons (Robert Royal is NOT a weapon). Newton reminds me of Tony Gonzalez, and I like that. As for Hughes and Waters, those were just gueses, but I agree they'd both be good and I think both have a shot at being available there.

                                Finally, Kent would be my wish for a project wr, not Trannon. All state High Jumper in HS, still long jumps for an elite track school (until the combine came calling). World class sprinter, legit 6'5" body with basketball athleticism and length. I have a feeling that after the combine though, he'll be a 4th rounder.

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