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  • Rob S
    started a topic Buffalo Bills Discussion

    Buffalo Bills Discussion

    Well, I guess I will start this. We have Indy this weekend, and I am expecting a loss, but maybe they will be ripe for an upset after a huge win last week vs. the Pats. DISCUSS THE BILLS!

  • SuperMcGee
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    Originally posted by Rob S View Post
    Dareus suspended for 1st game. Bleh.
    Lame. We may not get as much pressure as we'd like on Luck, but at least Alex Carrington is back to swat every pass at the line.

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  • ruthlessrussian
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    Originally posted by Poz51
    I dont think it was that we did not want to offer or would not have. IMO the Cowboys got out early and offered him before others (including the Bills) got their $h!t together regarding him. It pretty much looks like La'el met with the police, they said "He's not a suspect officially." and Dallas jumped on the chance immediately while others were probably still debating.

    He also had his choice and once Rex met with him, said nothing about the meeting I had the feeling that La'el was not interested in coming to Buffalo and Rex knew it.

    This is all just how I see it. IMO people over reacted immediately on Collins.
    True.

    You gotta figure that for Collins home is just a short drive from Dallas. He chose to stay home for college I would imagine he had the same mindset going into this as well.

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  • Rob S
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    Dareus suspended for 1st game. Bleh.
    Last edited by Rob S; 05-21-2015, 04:32 PM.

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  • fischbowl
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    So it looks like its going to be an interesting offseason for us, fellas...no 1st Round Pick, no starting caliber QB, some key expiring contracts, and now no Head Coach (but seriously, $4 million for Doug Marrone to sit on his ass all season in the first full year under new ownership? ******, yes, but can you blame him?) Let's start this dialogue, guys...

    First off, since a coach would dictate system, what candidates do you think we'll look at to replace Doug? Perhaps remain in house and promote Jim Schwartz to Head Coach (which I'd think would be inadvisable considering our struggles on offense?) Perhaps look to the collegiate ranks once again? Maybe a coordinator like Adam Gase, who's led the Denver offense the past two years?

    Some of our major role players are going into the offseason with expiring contracts? What could Jerry Hughes command after a breakout, 9.5 sack season? C.J. is likely to opt out of his rookie deal. Is it worth it to sign him or address running back elsewhere? Some key depth pieces like Da'Norris Searcy, Lee Smith, and Jarius Wynn are scheduled to enter free agency as well?

    What positions do you think we'll target this offseason, both in the draft and free agency? Clearly, QB has to be priority but with a weak free agent market and no 1st Round Pick, we've backed ourselves into a major hole.

    Happy 2015, my fellow Buffalo fans...Go Bills, we're talking proud

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  • Poz51
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    Vikings vs. Bills review - Defense and Special Teams

    Defense

    Defensive Line ‘«Ű Many people are going to talk about Jerry Hughes being the defensive star for the Bills against the Vikings and fairly so. I will as well, only after I talk about Marcel Dareus 1st! With their stat lines being very similar, the real difference for me watching them play the Vikings is double teams, Marcel was doubled more often and still produced at the same level, Dareus dominated both the run and pass game more evenly while doing so with two guys trying stop him consistently throughout the game, finishing with 2 sacks and 2 tackles for a loss. Dareus continued to hold his ground in the run game as the Vikings run game was far more successful running outside the tackles than it was inside, in larger part (pun intended) to Dareus inside. Dareus continued his ALL-PRO play vs. Minnesota. Jerry Hughes is getting better not only in recognizing the run, but playing it as well. Hughes will probably never be a stout run defender, but his effort against the run is improving this year, however he still gets sucked down the line and does not set or hold the edge with discipline consistently, and against the Vikings both he and Mario Williams had issue‘«÷s with their edge discipline. As a pass rusher, Hughes continued his torrid play getting after the opposing quarterback, and things were no different for Matt Kalil and Teddy Bridgewater as Hughes netted 1.5 sacks, numerous pressures and without stunting utilized a quick outside-in stutter step pass rush move that got a big sack late in the game during the 4th quarter, to go with an earlier half sack. Kyle Williams needs to time to heel and get his knee right, for the second straight game he was a non-factor and was not his normal run stopping/pass rushing ball of excitement he normally is against the Vikings and lack of effort is something Kyle Williams does not know. Mario Williams played a lot less than normal and his failure to hold contain on run plays to his side could be a major reason why, although on one particular run by McKinnon around his side, Mario clearly drives him deeper and farther outside while being clearly held by Phil Loadholt, with McKinnon ending up turning the corner with a 10+ yard run. Overall, Mario had arguably his worst run defense performance of the season and while notching a sack, really did little in the pass rushing department as a man of his skill and size should be more effective than he was in that department, especially against Phil Loadholt who is not a particularly skilled in stopping the pass rush. While I did not keep track of snap counts, I did notice Jarius Wynn on the field about as much as I noticed Mario, with Hughes being on the field for the vast majority of snaps. Wynn had himself another good day and whereas Mario and Jerry struggled in setting the edge and forcing the backs into the teeth of the defense, Jarius succeeded. Wynn had some nice pressure on the pass rush, but really jumped off the screen in the run game and did a nice job diagnosing the screen and quick passing game getting his hands up and making plays and altering passes. Stephan Charles continued his solid play in very limited spot duty and had a nice play in which he penetrated the offensive line immediately and altered a run play and had a good day collapsing the pocket from the inside in limited duty. Manny Lawson and Corbin Bryant played, but did nothing of consequence one way or another in limited duty as well.

    Linebackers ‘«Ű Preston Brown it looks like is officially now a starting linebacker in place of Keith Rivers, who may not make it more than a year in Buffalo. Against Minnesota it paid off as Brown was the most disciplined linebacker in the run game and looked much more aware and alert in the passing game, making a heads up play on a screen and in general looking much more comfortable in coverage, particularly in man coverage. This was a game in which ‘«£it‘«ō looked like ‘«£it‘«ō was coming together for Brown. Brandon Spikes is who we thought he was and against the Vikings things were no different, except I did not see Spikes impact the run game as well as he usually does, whether it was failing to disengage from his blocks or just not reading the play as well as he usually does, his impact in the run game was not what it normally is, solid, but disappointing yet. Nigel Bradham had solidly disappointing day himself and looked off, similarly to Spikes, Bradham‘«÷s day wasn‘«÷t horrible, but he did not read the run game well and was out of position more than he usually is. Cut Backs and perimeter runs killed the front 7 for Buffalo and their failure is a shared problem for both the 1st and 2nd levels of the Bills defense, an issue that needs to be cleaned up moving forward.

    Defensive Backs ‘«Ű The stat sheet looks like the Bills secondary had themselves a day! That is a bit misleading as the defensive line and Vikings rookie QB Teddy Bridgewater were bigger factors than the actual play of the Bills secondary, as the pressure created bad throws and Bridgewater just flat out missed some open receivers throughout the game. Stephon Gilmore was solid in his man responsibilities again and had one of his better games of the year in run support and I thought had the best day of anyone in the unit coverage wise on the whole. Leodis McKelvin had 2 picks and was also solid in coverage; his second pick was also his second pick of the year in which he made a nice play on the ball. McLovin had the ball thrown right too him on the first pick and actually caught the ball, which was nice to see. Nickell Robey continued his roller coaster of a season, this time dipping downward against Minnesota and having in breaking and crossing routes giving him troubles once again. Having Gilmore taking away his man and McKelvin picking off 2 passes early, Robey seemed to become the focus of the Vikings passing game often on important passing plays and he was not up to the task vs. the Vikings. Da‘«÷Norris Searcy had the most playing time he has had in weeks and looked like the injury was not bothering him anymore; he was really good in run support and looked to be back in the same form from the early season that was productive on the field. Corey Graham and Duke Williams played but were limited in their snap counts and aside from being solid in run support, neither were tested in coverage. Aaron Williams came back from injury and looked rusty and a step slow in his reaction time, he took some bad angles in run support in particular resulting in missed tackles. A. Williams was not tested in coverage, which was probably a good thing, although having him back I thought resulted in better communication on the back end and the secondary seemed more in sink as a unit.

    Special Teams ‘«Ű Colton Schmidt dropped 2 of 5 punts inside the 20, had a respectable 44.6 yard average and the coverage unit allowed 2 decent returns of about 10-12 yards, all in all not too shabby. Dan Carpenter expectedly made his 31 yarder and 2 extra points, including the actual game winning extra point. The kick-off coverage unit had a nice day limiting the Vikings returner Cordarrelle Patterson after an initial return of 24 yards to 16 yards on his following 2 returns, including the final game ending return in which Duke Williams put an immediate end to any further shenanigans by knocking Patterson out of bounds on a very nice game ending hit. Leodis McKelvin had a nice 13 yard punt return and 30 yard kick-off return as C.J. Spiller was a non factor returning prior to his injury. Another good all around day for the Special teams units, nothing detrimental and nothing spectacular.

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  • Poz51
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    Vikings vs. Bills review - Offense

    Bills vs. Vikings Review

    Van Miller, the voice I grew up with listening to Bills games on the radio as I would mute the TV and listen to the radio, instead of the TV broadcasters was rightfully placed on the Bills Wall of Fame and what a last three minutes it would have been had he still been the radio announcer, ‘«£Do you believe it!‘«ō. The Bills offense was horrible for all 60 minutes of this game as even on the final drive of the game Kyle Orton had to throw for 105 yards to go 80 yards for the game winning touchdown, as the Bills gave up 2 sacks, committed 2 penalties and had to convert a 4th and 20 to even give themselves a chance to win in the waning second of the game on the final drive, which they did as the Ralph exploded in ‘«£Fandemonium‘«ō with Sammy Watkins catching the game winning touchdown with 1 second left on the clock. The Bills fumbled, bumbled and stumbled their way through this game. As ugly of a loss the Houston game was, this was an even uglier win for the Bills, whose defensive line is the only reason they had a chance in the game. Sammy Watkins looks like the hero in this game, but Kyle Orton was absolutely clutch on the final drive and with the horrid offensive line play, was actually really, really good throughout the game. Defensively Marcel Dareus was an absolute beast, and Jerry Hughes just continued to potentially price himself out of the Bills future as the two, Dareus in particular were just as valuable to the Bills against the Vikings as their offensive counterparts.

    Offense

    Quarterback ‘«Ű Kyle Orton had 17 more passing first downs and hit 9 different receivers while managing to find Sammy Watkins 9 times in the game, while throwing for 105 yards on the final drive game winning touchdown drive, which started at the Bills 20 yard line. The final stat line does Orton no justice in this game, Orton had consistent pressure in his face all game and made big throws throughout the game to keep the Bills in it, while spreading the ball around, making smart decisive decisions and had a final drive that was as good as any Bills quarterbacking history, making throws that elite NFL quarterbacks have a hard time making. Orton had one bad over throw in the game that resulted in a pick, but that throw aside, Orton had 42 other throws that gave the Bills a chance in what was a putrid effort by the offensive line at the Ralph. The 4th and 20 pass to Scott Chandler on the game winning touchdown drive was perhaps the best throw of Orton‘«÷s career and the best of the game in the direst of situations, a thing of beauty. Orton continued to make reads throughout the game and against the Vikings showed the value of a competent NFL veteran QB and what he can do with capable weapons around him, not only finding Sammy Watkins, but spreading the ball around accordingly throughout the game and letting coverage dictate where the ball goes.

    Running Back ‘«Ű O-M-G‘«™ Fred Jackson goes out of the game with leg injury in the first half after being his usual stabilizing force of a self. Initially it does not look good as Jackson appears to be distraught, as in going to be out for a really long time distraught being driven off the field. Then C.J. Spiller, who does not get his first carry until well into the 2nd quarter rips off a 53 yard run in which he gets tripped up by the toe, falls awkwardly on his shoulder and breaks his clavicle and he himself is now being carted off the field with a towel over his face as he is looking like his season is over. Next man up Boobie‘«™ Anthony ‘«£Boobie‘«ō Dixon came in and played very well for the Bills as he was the lone Bills back left for the rest of the game. Dixon provided solid power running averaging just less than 4 yards a carry on 13 attempts and even catching a couple balls for decent gains, while doing a solid job in pass protection throughout the course of the rest of the game. I thought Dixon impressed and helped mitigate the loss of Jackson and Spiller in the game, keeping the Vikings honest and forcing them to keep 8 men in the box as they frequently turned cover 2 looks into high/low coverage and having a safety in the box. The Bills ran a FB screen to Frank Summers that was blown up, why Summers? IDK‘«™ Chandler last week, Summers this week, very creative‘«™ Summers was, summers; average. Buffalo found yards running their ‘«£up the gut‘«ō scheme, but only tried to run between the tackles 16 times, averaging about 4 yards a clip, even though they were never out of the game in pass mode until the final drive. Solid day for the run unit, all things considered, losing Jackson in particular and even Spiller for an extended time will hurt.

    Tight End ‘«Ű Scott Chandler had a huge drop late in the game on the final drive that 99% time kills the drive, but Kyle Orton showed an extraordinary amount of faith in him by coming back to him on the very next play and Chandler rewarding Orton by making a nice catch in traffic for 22 yards and a 1st down on 4th and 20. Chandlers greatest weakness was exposed throughout the game as the Vikings linebackers erased him in man coverage due to his lack of any explosive athleticism or lateral agility. Minnesota seemed to be consciously taking Chandler out of the game by design with man coverage and high/low safety coverage help in the seams until the biggest play of the game in my opinion, a 4th and 20 conversion in which they let Chandler have the deep seem with Vikings linebackers in drop zones with 2 high safeties in cover 2, 1st down Buffalo, as Chad Greenway hesitated in his drop giving Orton just enough room to find Chandler. Chandler had a expected day receiving given the coverage and an average day run blocking, including a good job sealing off the edge on C.J. Spillers long run as he helped Everson Griffin work himself inside, allowing C.J. to bounce outside for a huge gain on a cut back. Lee Smith finally had himself a day in which he did what he supposedly does best; run block. While Smith is no real threat in the passing game and was not in this game, Smith stepped up his game run blocking and actually contributed as he should in the lone aspect he supposedly is good at. Chris Gragg had a nice 14 yard catch and another 5 yarder to boot doing what he does best; pass catching and it was nice to see the Bills incorporating him into the passing game a little. The unit had a good all around game, as each was part of the victory in their own way.

    Wide Receiver ‘«Ű Justification? Sammy Watkins displayed the talent that made him one of the best and most talented receivers in college football over the past 3 years, he displayed the quickness in and out of his breaks that creates natural separation which is virtually uncover able by defensive backs, his route running appeared to have taken another step forward as he displayed the ability to set up defensive backs, like on the fly route he scored over the Captain; Watkins gives him a little bait move as if he is going to run the route down the sideline, then steps back inside and up the field so quickly and effortlessly Munnerlyn cannot get back into position in coverage and Kyle Orton puts the ball right on Watkins who also beats the safety help down the field for 6. The game winning touchdown with 1 second left in the game is another example; having beat several different members of the Vikings secondary on in breaking routes throughout the game, Xavier Rhodes has to respect the quick slant and Watkins comes off the line on the snap with his hands and body showing so much movement Rhodes is completely mesmerized and does not jam Watkins at all, rather backing up in a reactionary response, he‘«÷s beat already, Watkins adds a little shake and bake move, sticks his foot in the ground and sling shots out of his break on a 4 yard out from the 2 yard line and Rhodes is totally cooked in coverage, a wide open Watkins catches a perfectly thrown ball for a easy, uncontested game winning touchdown. 9 catches for 122 yards and 2 touchdowns, Watkins confidence is really starting to assert itself on the field and his change of direction skills are elite, making him virtually impossible to cover for long stretches of time, much less 60 minutes. Chris Hogan had a costly fumble as the Bills were moving into the red zone in the first quarter leaving potential points off the board, then on the next drive Robert Woods fumbled in Bills territory resulting in 3 points for the Vikings. Woods had a weird day with 4 catches for 10 yards in which he played hard but the stat line and play calling was not in his favor, running quick screens and short routes mostly and despite being open on many plays not thrown his way, he kept at it all game long. Chris Hogan made the best catch of his young career on the game winning drive on a back shoulder type throw, leaping high into the air in double coverage and adjusting in what seemed to be mid air, contorting and willing his body into position to make the highlight film catch at the 2 yard line, putting the Bills into position to throw the game winner to Watkins. Speaking of confidence asserting itself on the field, Hogan is really starting to show up on the film and is really giving the Bills a nice option primarily out of the slot and when the Bills go 3 wide, it is becoming the ‘«£Three Amigo‘«÷s‘«ō show in the passing game, as Orton has several options on any given passing play. Mike Williams played maybe a hand full of snaps and I thought he gave a good effort blocking on C.J. Spillers long run, as he stalked Xavier Rhodes into the middle of the field, then as Spiller bounced the run outside, Williams got enough of Rhodes without blocking him in the back or holding, to allow Spiller the room he needed to scoot around the edge. Invisible really aside from that play was Williams however.

    Offensive Line ‘«Ű I am going to start my weekly bashing of this unit on a positive note, Seantrel Henderson I thought took a step back‘«™ in the right direction against the Vikings and looked more like a developing rookie who is making progress. Brian Roberson kept pushing the corner, but Henderson did not allow him to turn and close on Orton and Henderson had a solidly average day for the rookie, being arguably the best of the Bills offensive lineman against the Vikings. However, a Roberson sack early in the game was nullified by a roughing the passer call on the Vikings LDE. Cyril Richardson still cannot pick up a stunt and his pass blocking ability has not improved with increased playing time, he is a liability if the Bills are going to be as pass heavy as they have been, and were in this game. Richardson continued to show that he is not ready to handle it, while I think his run blocking continued to progress in the game, with a pass/run ratio of 2+/1 it doesn‘«÷t really matter when the pressure is constantly coming through you. Pressure from the blind side was not relegated to Richardson as Cordy Glenn had an awful game in pass protection as well. This was the worst I can recall Glenn in pass protection in about two years now, he allowed at least two sacks, including one by Everson Griffin in which Griffin faked a stunt and simply ran past Glenn‘«÷s inside shoulder for an easy sack. This has been a down year on the whole for Glenn, and this game despite being solid in his run blocking, was a real low point for Glenn in pass protection as he looked unconfident in his assignments. Eric Wood‘«™ Like the left side of the line Wood was not so bad in the run game, but not so good in pass protection, with stunts continuing to be an issue for Richardson, Glenn and Wood. Wood is still helping Erik Pears too much, while failing to get his head around and recognizing the stunts coming from the left side and helping his rookie line mate. This has been a real problem since the Chargers and Texans games, and continued in the Vikings game. I purposefully watched the line to see if there were any signs of communication and did not see enough (heads not looking around and fingers not doing a whole lot of pointing) evidence of such, something has been and continued to be off with these three with that aspect of this game, with Wood being my focal point of failure as he is the pivot and the leader of the line. Erik Pears is still no real help in the run game, although I did see some signs of life in that regard and even some push on a couple of plays and I thought he looked better moving inside to cut off a couple would be rushers on stunts, however, he still had problems handling speed rush inside, particularly when that move is a first step right into the A gap and at 6‘«÷8‘«ō is really too tall and loses all leverage inside when blocking, guard just does not look natural to me for him, give me a shorter, squattier guy who does not naturally get too tall, as Pears continued to do against the Vikings. As a unit the Bills struggled along the offensive line and while actually opening some small creases in the run game which allowed for some solid gains in between the tackles against the Vikings, the Bills oline continued to fail in pass protection, this week against a solid defensive unit from the Vikings, that make no mistake about it; is not as good as the Lions or Jets and the Bills should have had a better day upfront.

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  • Rob S
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    Yeah, I think the performance was fine overall and Vick can frustrate you if you aren't gameplanning for him. We really do need to start converting for 7 in the red zone, but I feel like that is an eternal struggle for the Bills.

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  • SuperMcGee
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    Lee Smith was the obvious weapon they failed to account for.

    Seems like quite a few people were a bit down on this game. I know we let it get close at half, but that was largely due to the introducing of a new, improvising QB to whom we partially adjusted. But it's not like we didn't take advantage of most of the turnovers. The predictable/conservative play calling is a thing, but for as much as the one-score lead at half looked like Bills being Bills, this game never felt far out of hand for me.

    Our backup run game not doing much against the Jets isn't exactly a surprise. The snap split for the backs wasnt so much, either, after all we've heard. Main thing I didn't like was lining up with double TE and running weak behind Pears/Trel multiple times. I'll have to see what else we've done from that formation, but on its own it's an awful play.
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  • Poz51
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    Originally posted by thetedginnshow
    What is so bitter about the pill lol

    Get ready for the Lambo! I hope we contain Sammy. For some reason I feel like we will but I don't know why. Chandler is almost guaranteed to get a TD on us.
    Good call on the Chandler TD, not so good on Sammy

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  • Poz51
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    Originally posted by SuperMcGee View Post
    Well that was fun.
    Originally posted by Rob S View Post
    I was a happy man! Nice way to go into the bye for sure.
    I'll take it myself :)

    We need the bye, they are beat up all over the roster.

    In the wild card right now, a game out of the division heading into the break, Ill take that as well. Orton 3-1...

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  • Rob S
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    Originally posted by SuperMcGee View Post
    Well that was fun.
    I was a happy man! Nice way to go into the bye for sure.

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  • SuperMcGee
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    Well that was fun.

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  • Iamcanadian
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    Originally posted by ruthlessrussian View Post
    With this I wonder if a trade down would once again be both possible and the best option. Granted, if the player you want is there at 9 you have to take them. However, if we can get comparable value at 5 or 6 spots back while picking up an extra pick I would be pretty tempted to accept.
    According to those on NFL.com, there are 20 picks in this year's draft who could have gone top 5 last year, so there is little likelihood that trading back will be possible. This draft is so deep and talented that every pick will be treated like gold and teams will be exceptionally reluctant to give up any picks, but we can always dream.

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  • Iamcanadian
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    Originally posted by Poz51 View Post
    After hearing the numbers and highest paid stuff floating around, I don't think Wilson's wallet is the issue with Byrd, looks like he wants to leave, and likely wanted to the whole time.
    Not sure why they didn't tag him again, anyone know if they could have transitioned him?

    As for this draft, I have 40+ firs. Round grades, 49 but I'm adjusting a couple, I agree 2 studs and 4 possible immediate starters sounds right, this draft is a chance to make this teams future bright.
    Or if we fail, it could set up our Division contenders even more.

    Wilson didn't pay Clemons(sp), he didn't pay Winfield, he didn't pat Peters when they all reached FA, get the pattern. He just doesn't have the money to keep a lot of his FA's. Byrd knows this which is why he simply wants to leave, he knows Buffalo will never spend the money under Wilson to ever be a contender. Wilson was a great owner prior to the existence of FA, but once FA came into being, we are perennial bottom feeders.
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