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  • I actually agree with almost every word you said Toonster. It's nice to see someone else agree that keeping Berrian is absolutely imperative. I would keep Berrian over Briggs at this point, and I'm hoping that the FO agrees.

    Jerry held a conference recently and said that they being more dynamic on offense was their #1 goal in the offseason, that indicates to me that Berrian, and likely Grossman, will be brought back.

    I like Briggs but if it's between keeping Berrian or Briggs, I'd choose Berrian quite frankly.


    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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    • Originally posted by toonsterwu View Post
      Actually, I was saying Urlacher to weakside with Jamar Williams at MIKE, which was a suggestion made in an article somewhere in an attempt to keep Urlacher healthier.
      I meant to put MIKE but for some reason I put SAM...

      ^Thanks to Eaglez.Fan for the sweet sig!

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      • Originally posted by Renji View Post
        This would still make the football team worse than it is. I mean Jamar Williams will certainly not be a Urlacher and why would the Will get less Reps and make him healthier??
        The MIKE backer role in the scheme arguably is put through more physical damage based upon the myriad responsibilities involved in covering the deep middle. Considering the back, it is somewhat understandable as an idea that should be at least considered, if we let Briggs go. We have to put Urlacher in a position where he can have the most impact. For years, it's been debated whether or not playing inside was right for him, as it increases the physical toll he undergoes. Not saying playing the middle has had an impact on his health, but that, because of his health, if we let Briggs go, it should be factored, if the staff thinks Jamar can handle the MIKE.

        That said, we could, if Briggs is let go, just slide Jamar into the weakside spot.

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        • When I was doing the grade your FAs thread, I saw that Max Starks from the Steelers is due to be a FA. That got me thinking to maybe we sign him, and draft an OL still in the 1st or 2nd and groom them for a few years until Tait retires, or we part ways with him. Would look like
          Starks - Beekman? -Kruetz - Garza - Tait

          Starks is 25 years old, and is a huge guy. I think that could be a decent, and cheaper solution to our OL.

          I was also looking at some of the RBs, and some that I wouldnt mind looking at would be players like Fargas, Julius Jones, Melwelde Moore, Chris Brown. I think for our running game to sucseed, we need a 2 back system, but i dont think that AP is our solution to that, and I dont think that Wolfe is either. All those guys are young, and while there may be some injury concerns, they would be splitting the carries which would reduce the injury risk for both Benson and a FA RB if we were to pick one up.

          Originally posted by BeansDooma
          who retires first: brett favre or aaron rodgers?

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          • I'm fine with going after Max Starks. It's going to cost a pretty penny with his decent play down the stretch this year (and especially if he has a good postseason). He's a guy to stick in at RT and be potentially solid, with slim LT potential. If that happened, we could wait a bit to draft an OT, perhaps until the 3rd (where someone like Tony Hills could be available as a developmental guy) or 4th/5th (where a guy like Barry Richardson could be available). To be honest, some may disagree, but I'd rather spend on Starks than Briggs. Starks should cost less (although after last year's contracts, it's debatable if that's the case), but the OL should be a bigger priority anyways from a scheme and need perspective.

            Looking at draftdaddy's FA list (assuming it's correct, too lazy to verify)

            OL - Flozell tops the list, but the guess is he stays with Dallas. Even if he doesn't, his age doesn't make that much sense for us. I'd be intrigued with Jordan Gross. But I'm assuming Gross will be more costly than Starks, and I think I'd rather take the plunge with Starks (and I wonder if the Panthers tag Gross considering they are looking at 2 OT's hitting FA). Locklear's an intriguing guy to look at. I'd prefer Starks over him, I think, but he'd be intriguing. Could go inside as well. I'm lukewarm on Wharton. Still think he's better at guard. I'd take a look at Maurice Williams/Stacey Andrews as guards/depth at tackle (not starters at tackle, though). I'd consider an offer to the Titans RFA David Stewart. 4th round compensation is something I can live with. I'd consider the Titans Jacob Bell as a FA guard. Faneca's age is something I wouldn't go for. I'd consider the Colts two guards, Lilja and Scott. Hadnot's a solid guy ... but he might be awfully costly. Liwienski might be a solid 1 year veteran to bring in if we try to develop a kid. I'd take a look at Geoff Hangartner as a RFA (5th) and Jason Brown (4th). Eltron Brown for a 4th is something to ponder as well. Granted, a lot of these RFA's won't be moving.

            WR/TE - Hmm ... pickings seem weak. We don't have a need at TE, unless we say, move Desmond Clark. If that happened, a veteran signing makes sense. At WR, keeping Berrian should be our priority. Moss is unlikely. Crayton seems unlikely as well (Dallas or Miami would be the guess). The rest is eh. A solid veteran like David Patten as a 4th receiver would be fine, but not necessary. A gamble on Drew Carter? We're better off developing Mark Bradley. If Devard Darling is cheap, sure. Jabar Gaffney is decent veteran depth. Bryant Johnson is an intriguing option.

            RB/FB - Burner Turner and Justin Fargas would be my preferences, if we are willing to spend. Fargas hits the hole hard, despite limitations, and Burner's just looking for an opportunity. I'd be okay with Julius Jones. Like the guy, don't love him. Likely cheaper than the other two, though. After that, the pickings are slim. Stecker might be a more useful backup than Adrian Peterson, but isn't a huge upgrade on our Adrian. Toefield/Cartwright/Chatman fall in the same idea as Stecker in all likelihood - backups when we need someone to challenge Benson. I'd take a look at Derrick Ward. I liked what I saw this year.

            QB - Convincing Rex to stay on a 2 year deal might be the best course of action. I have a hard time seeing us give up what's necessary for Derek Anderson and Donovan McNabb.

            S -I'd take a look at Madieu Williams. A lot of tools, but issues have come up along the way. A move to simpler responsibilities could get things going. I'd love to make an offer to RFA Atogwe (3rd), and I think we should, but I doubt we land him as the Rams would do a lot to keep him. Vincent Fuller (4th) is another guy I'd consider making an offer to. I'd see on Ken Hamlin (as the strong safety), Gibril Wilson, Chris Crocker, Erik Coleman. Probably a couple other guys I'd take a peek at for competition's sake.

            LB - At most, a veteran backup, but in all likelihood, nothing. Someone like Teddy Lehman would be an intriguing and potentially cheap look. Same goes for Keyaron Fox.

            DT - Assuming Dvoracek comes back, we look to have our top 3 set, so I wouldn't spend too much, and I think we have some intriguing young pieces, enough that we wouldn't look at any top guy, and likely no one. Maybe someone like a Randy Starks would be the type I'd look at, young, with a lot of raw potential, and where a move to a simpler scheme may make more sense for him.

            DE - Seems very, very unlikely. Maybe a cheap veteran, but no one stands out.

            CB - Unnecessary. If we let Manning Jr. go, maybe a veteran for depth with McBride/Graham. But Ade Jimoh could be that guy.
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            Well nothing all that informative.

            I'd try to go hard at a top RB. I'd target Burner Turner first, with Fargas/Ward/Jones (probably in that order) as backup options. If we let Adrian Peterson go, maybe a guy like Cartwright/Stecker/Chatman makes some sense, but if not, then I don't see the point.

            At OT, I like the Max Starks attempt. That's the route I would go. I'm not sure I'd look too heavily at guard. The FA guards might be costly, and I'd like to avoid paying insanely for an OG. Maybe make an offer to RFA Geoff Hangartner (5th round compensation). I think my preferred fallback on Starks would be David Stewart, which would be a tough get to say the least.

            At the other spots -

            Try to keep Rex on a 2 year deal. That's a length that makes the most sense for both parties if he stays.

            WR is a tough one to figure. Berrian should be kept, even at the franchise cost. If Bradley is too doghoused, I'd look at Bryant Johnson/Devard Darling if the price is right. Depending on how things shake out, I'd really look at someone like Jabar Gaffney as a 2/3 type receiver, a solid but unspectacular guy. But that's a scenario where things haven't gone as I preferred.

            DL/LB - Not much on the defensive line side. Personally, I'd take a look at Randy Starks at the right price. Worth it. That said, it's unnecessary.

            S - Out of the realistic options, I'd make a run at Madieu Williams.

            So ... if we could come out of FA with (as "new" additions)

            S - Madieu Williams
            OT - Max Starks
            RB - Michael Turner

            I'd be pleased. And while the only one that may be a steep cost would be Turner. Starks would be high, although I'm not sold it'd be insane, and Williams inconsistency so far, at a position of relative low cost, should make him okay.

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            • toonster

              I think keeping Desmon Clark and Greg Olsen would be best given our lack of talent at the TE position the past 5 decades. I think they do a very good job of complimenting each other. I can understand your reasoning behind Clark holding Olsens potential but I don't see it being a bad thing of having a double threat at TE when our receivers haven't accomplished ****. These guys have been more consistent than anyone on the team. I say keep both of them until someone else shows some consistency.

              I'd like acquiring a FA RB but in all honesty the money both Turner, Fargas or even Ward from NY Giants will demand may not make any sense. I'd personally get someone out of the draft. I think money is best spent on acquiring a young vet O-Line such as Max Starks (as you stated) or even Travelle Wharton from Carolina (on the opposite end or Jordan Gross). I like Gross but I know he's going to command a ton of money. I like the guards from Indy and I know many have voiced their opinions but I think they would be solid additions to our withering offensive line. Ruben Browns position is vacant as well as Fred Millers. This will need the attention of both FA and the draft.

              Although we seem to have talent at DT it's become a position of need. I think adding a solid vet to add some good depth would greatly help us. I like what Dvoracek brings but the guy has missed 2 full seasons. Walker is not the answer and Adams is marginal at best. I agree when Smokey stated that we should take high consideration in adding a guy like DT Corey Williams from GreenBay. Randy Starks i'm not going gaga over but if we could get him at a reasonable price this may suffice..i'm a little worried he may turn out to be another Darwin Walker personally.

              Safety is definatelly a position of great need. I don't see any of the FA's as an upgrade. As we've all seen Angelo's ability to draft late round talent I'd rather see him draft a couple day 2 safeties than grab that garbage that shows for FA's as of now. I think we should see who gets cut. Maybe some team lets a star go. I'd really like to see us take a look at Michael Griffins brother from Texas as an option. That would be sweet.

              WR I think just needs another season of trial. Bradley has the tools but will he pan. We've seen spurts of promise but it has never been consistent. Grossman didn't vouch for this guy for the heck of it. I've seen his capabilities when he's started games. I'd really like to see what he's made of if we gave him a full season to prove himself. Davis always seems to make a catch here and there but in all honesty it never seems as though he gets a ton of passes. It could be because he's not getting open though..it could be the fact that all our qb's are either too busy evading the lack of blocking from Miller, Brown/Metcalf or simply the fact they just stink. *shrugs*

              QB will be a great need. I personally am hoping we land McNabb or Anderson. This way we can focus more attention at O-Line, RB, and every other namable position in the draft. Either of these 2 guys would be a great improvement over what we currently have and this would allow us to use the draft for other key positions named above. Hopefully it won't cost us an arm and a leg.

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              • I dont think McNabb or Anderson will be available. They prolly gonna sign McNabb and franchise Anderson demanding 2 first round picks.
                The only thing we need on defense is a safety, and this time an allrounder. We dont need someone like Archuleta who cant cover the deep ball, kinda bad in a Cover 2 Scheme. We also dont need one who doesnt tackle well, (Daniel Manning was leading the team in FFs last year, who wouldve known).

                WRs...idk if there are so many drops, should we kinda be concernd about the coach? I hope Devin Hester develops more. If we let go of Muhammed go for a possesion guy, kinda like a Welker in NE, in the draft, maybe someone in FA (???Ernest Wilford???). We dont need a 3rd speedster. Sign Berrian!!

                DT. I just dont see who else we need. Maybe sign Tommie Harris Extension soon. We still have Dusty, who seemed to play okay, he has to stay healthy. Adams is alright. Toeania looks okay, we'll see how he does against the Saints
                Last edited by Gay Ork Wang; 12-27-2007, 05:00 AM.

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                • Ive read that the staff thinks Beekman is too short to play guard and can only back up center. It would explain why he hasn't been given a chance to play this last stretch but I don't understand how height matters at OG.

                  Derek Anderson is RFA so would most likely require a 1st and a 3rd. I don't think McNabb is leaving Philly without some major compensation. Philly was asking for three 1st rounders at the beginning of the year.

                  Berrian over Briggs. Can't agree more.

                  If I remember correctly when we drafted Urlacher and put him at OLB he felt really awkward in coverage so we moved him to MLB where he excelled with the two mammoths in front of him. Now with Lovie, Urlacher is one of the best coverage linebackers in the league and doesn't have big DTs to shield him from wear and tear so moving to OLB really isn't that out there.
                  Also in a normal Tampa 2 the WLB is the superstar and the MLB role is minimized.

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                  • McNabb or Anderson will be costly. Such a move would be a win now move in many respects, despite their ages (particularly on Anderson). In McNabb's case, we'd probably have to pony up this year's first, perhaps next year's first, and another pick or two. In Anderson's case, I think they'd hold firm on this year's first at the very least. I'm just not sure we are in a position to do such a move. If the cost is less than expected, yes, I ponder a move for eithe rone. But I'm not sold it'll be.

                    On TE's - I wouldn't move Desmond Clark unless we got something decent. If not, I'd rather keep them. But a first 3 round pick, and I pull the trigger, I think. Even a 4th rounder I'd ponder as well. I'm not in a rush to dump Clark, but if we can get assets, I'd consider it. The staff was intrigued enough with Mines, and Mines holds some similarities to Clark at the same age (although less developed). But that's me.

                    DT - I'd like to add a DT as well. I'm just not sure we have the money so splurge on a 2nd DT like Corey Williams. Corey's going to be awfully expensive and we'll have to pay Tommie Harris soon. That's a lot of money tied up inside. It's doable, particularly if we let Ricky Manning Jr. and Lance Briggs go, but do we really spend that much? I'd much rather draft a DT than spend big on one. A cheaper guy, someone like Starks, would be fine, but in that situation, it's also arguable if the player would be an upgrade over our depth.

                    RB - I'd rather spend big on a RB than spend big on a DT, to be honest. That said, I'm not too enthused with spending big on a RB. But the thing is, unless we go RB early (and the first is very, very unlikely), I'm not in love with the 2nd tier and later on RB's. Someone will emerge, but who and will that someone fit in the context of what we need? A lot of it depends on which juniors come out. But I'd rather pick a safety early than a RB, and if we fail to add QB, then that goes ahead in the queue. And there's OL as well.

                    S - I'm not in love with this safety class to feel comfortable about simply depending on the draft for filling our needs. I'd like to get at least on safety, if not two, in FA to bring in and compete. I like guys like Payne/McGowan/Manning, but they haven't proven enough and this draft class just doesn't impress unless we go after Phillips which

                    OL - If we land one or two OL talents, this does create the opening to go after Phillips in round 1 if we so desired. I think Gross is too costly, and I still don't love Wharton as an OT. I think Starks is still the preference here in turns of cost and ability meshing the best. Stacey Andrews may be up there as well, as he's a solid RT option. Didn't realize he'd done so well at tackle for them this year. More I think about it, if we miss on someone, I'd make an aggressive bid for David Stewart. Solid, proven young starter for a 4th rounder? I'd do it. I'd like to get beefier inside if possible, which is what makes me wary on the Colts OG's, Jacob Bell, and the ilk. Add in that, while this OG class is weak, there will be some solid starters in the middle stanzas. Don't get me wrong, if we can grab a starting OG and OT in FA, then heck yeah. If not, though, I'm fine waiting on OG until the draft. If we go, say, Brian Brohm, in round 1 (which I'd be wary of), and Max Starks in FA, someone like Mike McGlynn in the 2nd would be intriguing (granted, I'd like to trade down, as I think he's more mid-late 2nd than early). A Schuening/Felton/Radovich/Thomas in the 3rd/4th would be fine. There's some others, too lazy to think right now.
                    Last edited by toonsterwu; 12-27-2007, 09:25 AM.

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                    • Or maybe at RB we take a look at a guy like Justin Forsett out of Cal in the draft. Scott has him labled as a mid rounder, but I really like the guy. He is on the smaller side (5'8 almost 200), but when I see him play, he is a lot stronger than he looks, and he fights for every yard. He can put on some weight, but I really like the guy, and think that he would be a decent option.

                      so what if our offseason looked like this:

                      -Resign Berrian
                      -let Briggs walk
                      -sign Max Starks
                      -sign saftey if a good young one is out there

                      Draft: 1st 3 rounds
                      1st: Jeff Otah OT
                      2nd: Joe Flacco QB
                      3rd: Marcus Monk WR
                      3rd: Justin Forsett RB

                      Originally posted by BeansDooma
                      who retires first: brett favre or aaron rodgers?

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                      • Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                        I actually agree with almost every word you said Toonster. It's nice to see someone else agree that keeping Berrian is absolutely imperative. I would keep Berrian over Briggs at this point, and I'm hoping that the FO agrees.

                        Jerry held a conference recently and said that they being more dynamic on offense was their #1 goal in the offseason, that indicates to me that Berrian, and likely Grossman, will be brought back.

                        I like Briggs but if it's between keeping Berrian or Briggs, I'd choose Berrian quite frankly.
                        agreed 100%.

                        the thing is, we were grooming all last year for the opportunity for briggs to leave. willams and/or okwo are probably ready. williams played a rather good game last week and i'm excited to see what he's got going on. as my brother would say... with another year, i think berrian can get better at route running. as long as someone teaches him what he needs to do to get open...

                        QB - Agreed. Grossman would be the best bet right now, if we do draft a qb rather high and sign him to a smallish deal. we have two choices. sign grossman in 2 years if he outplays expectations (meaning good). or shop him next year if we feel we have a competent/better than competent person behind center. I would take mcnabb if the price was right. maybe a first round this year and next year's first and third? it's still tough.

                        RB - Toonster is way right. I don't care what the front office says though. Giving jones to the jets was horrible. Getting turner or fargas would be stellar ideas. Turner and Benson would probably be competing for PT, and maybe we'd see benson drop his shoulders and try to plow over people like he theoretically could... *shrugs* i'd rather trade Peterson than not keep wolfe.

                        WR/TE - I don't really like the idea of keeping moose. But bradley hasn't shown me anything again this year. I don't know why. Mike Hass will likely see time this year too. Davis should disappear with Moose. Davis isn't special and moose doesn't seem to play like he has, lack of concentration, no speed, he's only good on the run-blocking. If the WR opportunity isn't there for us this year in FA, i'd keep olson and clark without blinking and play out of the 2TE set more, as well as dropping olson out in the x/y/z from time to time. he's shown me everything that i've wanted to see from him this year... athleticism, okay blocking, ability to get the ball.

                        OL- God. I like max starks. I like the fact he played with rex. As much as Tait isn't a LT, he's still a better LT than i think starks would be. Didn't he play RT in college? Sure, he'll cost a something, but if we decide to keep rex, this will be a no brainer IMO. We don't have to dispose of brown yet, but miller is obviously gone. Beekman being short has two connotations in my mind, either his arms are short (that's bad), or he's short (which is good). Being short means lower center of gravity, if you're 6'2, 305, you by default should have better balance than a 6'7, 305... and CoG helps you put more force into a shorter area. I still want to see more from him...

                        Defense?
                        DL - I can see us trading darwin walker for something, or as part of a deal. He hasn't worked out, the FO put too much money into this guy to just let him go. I called them ridiculous for it then, and i'll call them ridiculous for it now. Alex Brown needs to stay. Now, i don't know how to logistically do it... garay? gone. Idonije can stay, Dvorchek is probably gonna be starting still, and maybe he can quit injuring himself. when he plays, it's a different game imo. four strong linemen at all times, best 4-3 line in the game like that. So, round it out... Adams, Ogunleye, Bazuin, Idonije, Anderson, Brown, Harris, Dvorchek, Toeanda, on the roster... i also think that we're better off with brown starting and having anderson rotate in

                        LB - (discussed above)

                        DB - Ugh. We're a mess sort of. I saw d.manning made an actual 'hit'... he's fast, but he's no tackler at all, we don't have any vets behind vasher, r.manning and tillman. i'm really sad that archuleta didn't pan out like i thought it would... he was terrific on a marginal rams defense. mcgowan has played realllly well, above my expectations. d.manning is still a safety. he can't play corner, i think this year proved it more than anything, the guy does better in reacting to plays instead of people. he thinks too hard. manning jr... well. he plays nickle, and only nickle. i think we pay him a fair sum to do that seeing as i don't remember the last time i saw us in dime, but that's because briggs and urlacher in coverage were better than most any corners in coverage over the hash marks. without briggs, we automatically have to think about how we can better our dbacks. the FO has been pretty good with drafting corners. I'm okay with seeing how mcbride and graham pan out this year, seeing as they both did decent jobs, but we locked vasher and tillman down, we don't need veteran depth yet, we need backups. Payne is good for the depth in Safety, but if we let go of brown, no doubt we'll need at least one more guy, (i'm looking 4th round)


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                        • Originally posted by bearfan View Post
                          Or maybe at RB we take a look at a guy like Justin Forsett out of Cal in the draft. Scott has him labled as a mid rounder, but I really like the guy. He is on the smaller side (5'8 almost 200), but when I see him play, he is a lot stronger than he looks, and he fights for every yard. He can put on some weight, but I really like the guy, and think that he would be a decent option.

                          so what if our offseason looked like this:

                          -Resign Berrian
                          -let Briggs walk
                          -sign Max Starks
                          -sign saftey if a good young one is out there

                          Draft: 1st 3 rounds
                          1st: Jeff Otah OT
                          2nd: Joe Flacco QB
                          3rd: Marcus Monk WR
                          3rd: Justin Forsett RB
                          I don't understand why you would have us sign Starks and then use the first pick on Otah... Starks IMO is best suited for RT so we'd have to leave Tait at LT. However, since Starks would be able to solidify the RT spot, we can shift the TE or FB over near Tait to help him out. I'm think I'd rather sign Faneca (he will be a bit more expensive then Starks but he won't be getting a Hutch of Steinbach contract as he will be 31-32 come next season), and draft someone like Ryan Clady or Chris Williams (I see him going in the middle of the 2nd, similar to where McNeil went 2 years ago) as our LT, and then draft someone like Heath Benedict in the 3rd or 4th to compete with Garza at RG. A line of Williams/Clady, Faneca, Kreutz, Garza/Benedict, Tait would be very solid. The only thing is that we do splurge on a 31-32 year old guard but Faneca should still have at least 2, 3 pro bowl seasons left.

                          However, I could see us resigning Brown on a 1 year contract if he wants to come back. If healthy, he is still an above average guard in this league, IMO, but that is a big IF as he is very old.

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                          • Oh yeah, I really don't see us spending the money on any RB in free agency. I might be in the minority on this, but I am leaning in the direction of drafting someone like Jon Stewart in the first... actually, on second thought, I wouldn't mind seeing us spend our money on Turner (I think Oakland is going to do everything in their power to retain Fargas, any RB who can run behind that OL with their ****** team is a keeper), and just focusing in on the draft for the OL. Use our first pick on Clady, 2nd on Flacco, and our 3rd's on Benedict and Josh Barrett. Plus, I could see us keeping Brown cheap for a year and draft perhaps Martin O'Donnell to develop behind him on the 2nd day. Also, while Walker is nowhere worth the money he will make, I could see us restructuring his contract and bringing him back. I wouldn't mind that at all.

                            How much do you guys think Turner will make in FA?

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                            • Originally posted by Smokey Joe View Post
                              Oh yeah, I really don't see us spending the money on any RB in free agency. I might be in the minority on this, but I am leaning in the direction of drafting someone like Jon Stewart in the first... actually, on second thought, I wouldn't mind seeing us spend our money on Turner (I think Oakland is going to do everything in their power to retain Fargas, any RB who can run behind that OL with their ****** team is a keeper), and just focusing in on the draft for the OL. Use our first pick on Clady, 2nd on Flacco, and our 3rd's on Benedict and Josh Barrett. Plus, I could see us keeping Brown cheap for a year and draft perhaps Martin O'Donnell to develop behind him on the 2nd day. Also, while Walker is nowhere worth the money he will make, I could see us restructuring his contract and bringing him back. I wouldn't mind that at all.

                              How much do you guys think Turner will make in FA?
                              Ugh. maybe tons. But could we have turner and ced on the same roster? Ced hasn't made more than 2 million a year... we could put turner on the roster for whatever it costs, him eating away at bensons time (if benson gets 701 yards, he gets an additional 1.73 million dollars, he got 674 this year... his five year, 35 mil deal hasn't really amounted to much... he's made maybe 2 mill this year and last year)

                              edit: and why spend money on faneca? seriously?
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                              • I'd agree. I'd pass on Faneca. Spending huge money on an aging OG just isn't wise, as good as the OG may be. Anyhow, most seem to anticipate him going to Arizona to join Grimm (although I won't be surprised if Grimm gets a HC job this offseason).

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