2011 Chicago Bears General Discussion

[bearsfan_51]

51, what have you got against Orton? What have you seen past his rookie season that has made you such an Orton hater?

Well besides the fact that he's a drunkard that can't complete a pass past 5 yards...nothing. Orton has absolutely no control over his passes, which is why about 50% of them float over the recievers heads into nowhere land. As stupid as Grossman is (and trust me I'm not a fan of him as an option either) he at least has strong upside and is a viable starting QB when he gets time in the pocket. Orton to me is a decent backup that was basically a system QB at Purdue and has only endeared himself because there's a strong enough of a fanbase in Chicago that constantly wants to bench the QB for change's sake.

Like I said, if we're out of the playoff hunt for good then start away, but of the three Orton gives us the least chance to win, and I think it's very telling that since he "won" those 10 games as a starter he's been no higher than 3rd on the depth chart.

[Race for the Heisman]

I disagree to an extent. He's markably improved from what he displayed and pre-season and what he has done shows what he is capable of given appropriate surrounding talent, as you mentioned. I don't see any reason the Bears couldn't invest in an offense to the same extent the Browns have (Berrian/Draftee : Braylon Edwards :: Greg Olsen : Kellen Winslow II, and so forth), which could allow DA to have a similar level of production. The only reason I think you might call any such trade a waste (if Anderson could translate his play) would be if the organization was only going to provide enough offense for a custodian-type quarterback to give the team just enough offense to win. Given the new rule evolutions it seems to make more sense to win through offense first, but that's a seperate debate.

Edit: This is referencing Derek Anderson, not Orton as just mentioned.

[bearfan]

Well besides the fact that he's a drunkard that can't complete a pass past 5 yards...nothing. Orton has absolutely no control over his passes, which is why about 50% of them float over the recievers heads into nowhere land. As stupid as Grossman is (and trust me I'm not a fan of him as an option either) he at least has strong upside and is a viable starting QB when he gets time in the pocket. Orton to me is a decent backup that was basically a system QB at Purdue and has only endeared himself because there's a strong enough of a fanbase in Chicago that constantly wants to bench the QB for change's sake.

Like I said, if we're out of the playoff hunt for good then start away, but of the three Orton gives us the least chance to win, and I think it's very telling that since he "won" those 10 games as a starter he's been no higher than 3rd on the depth chart.

I still dont get where you are getting this. Overlooking his rookie season, he hasnt had much PT besides preseason. If thats what you are referencing, I would have to disagree because he didnt look half bad. He also for a while had been challenging Griese's spot at #2. He didnt play badly his rookie season either. He did what he was asked to do, and besides that Cincy game, he managed the game very well. I think he is worth a 2nd look to see if he has improved since then (which all reports indicate that he has). Maybe he is a good QB, maybe he isnt, but I would like to find out before we go and draft a new one.

[bearsfan_51]

There's really nothing to substantiate that Orton was challenging Griese. He never bumped him in any preseason games.

Don't you think it's telling that nobody outside of Bears fans and a few clueless people in the media ever bring his name up? He's a 3rd string QB, there's a reason for that.

[bearfan]

There's really nothing to substantiate that Orton was challenging Griese. He never bumped him in any preseason games.

Don't you think it's telling that nobody outside of Bears fans and a few clueless people in the media ever bring his name up? He's a 3rd string QB, there's a reason for that.

That doesnt mean a thing, look at DA people didnt bring him up besides to talk about how he lost the spot, and was competing w/ BQ. Look at him now ;)

[k0ng]

Was it just me or did Danieal Manning look like a serviceable safety? I think it was more of the Raiders having such a horrible offense though. They made our whole D look good.

Rex looked good to. His arm is so much stronger than Griese's. No way Griese looks to his left and just chucks the ball down field to Berrian like that. His pocket awareness and mobility also seemed a lot better. He was moving around like he did before his injury problems. This was all against a bad and injury depleted Raiders team though. Although, I hope he performs well the rest of the year.

Benson...dunno. The o-line looked pretty bad except for a few plays. Benson did pick up a couple of crucial first downs. I think we should keep him, but he would be better suited as a 1a type of back. The Raiders are really bad against the run and he was only able to muster 80 yards on 30 carries. We need to draft a back that compliments Benson and hopefully a revamped o-line. Wolfe got on the field and almost fumbled the ball twice on the same play. Don't think he is the answer.

Urlacher also worries me. I sure hope they figure out what is going on and fix it. Did you guys see that clip of him and Culpepper before the game?

[awfullyquiet]

Was it just me or did Danieal Manning look like a serviceable safety? I think it was more of the Raiders having such a horrible offense though. They made our whole D look good.

Rex looked good to. His arm is so much stronger than Griese's. No way Griese looks to his left and just chucks the ball down field to Berrian like that. His pocket awareness and mobility also seemed a lot better. He was moving around like he did before his injury problems. This was all against a bad and injury depleted Raiders team though. Although, I hope he performs well the rest of the year.

D. Manning looked like he was actually playing the game... I mean, he actually hit that WR mid in the 4th with McBride and popped the ball out... Yes i got up and said, wtf, the kid can hit sort of!

Rex's arm is light years better than griese's. He looked managable from 15 passes, yes he got sacked twice, once was a coverage sack, the other was an overload sack where tait couldn't pick up the blitz. but, on that 59 yarder, four seconds, four seconds, found the open reciever, and made the throw. Credit Berrian for actually looking like a reciever too and showing some elusiveness.

Credit the raiders though for having a secondary that will dominate for years to come. now if they could only get warren sapp to dominate.

[Hurricane Ditka]

Grossman's throw to Berrian still wasn't an improvement in technique or mechanics, he still threw off his back foot, and basically stared him down. Berrian got the better of the corner, and we got lucky. Every game from here on out is the last.

[bearfan]

Grossman's throw to Berrian still wasn't an improvement in technique or mechanics, he still threw off his back foot, and basically stared him down. Berrian got the better of the corner, and we got lucky. Every game from here on out is the last.

Very good point, I thought that Rex threw off his back foot on that, but I wasnt 100%.

[k0ng]

Grossman's throw to Berrian still wasn't an improvement in technique or mechanics, he still threw off his back foot, and basically stared him down. Berrian got the better of the corner, and we got lucky. Every game from here on out is the last.

I'm pretty sure he looked to the other side of the field first, then threw it to Berrian. I didn't notice him throwing off his back foot though. Was still a nice throw.

[bearsfan_51]

Yeah he definately didn't stare him down.

[Smokey Joe]

he didn't stare down Berrian, but it was quite obvious he was the intended receiver the whole time. Rexy was going deep if Berrian was open or not.

[Smokey Joe]

http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2007/11/throwgasm.html

[bearsfan_51]

I was looking on youtube for a replay of the Grossman throw and I found a fan video made by Sweetness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXBv2_ZN_c

It's touching sweetness. Really.

[Hurricane Ditka]

The thing about Rex Grossman is that's he's not good. The worst thing that could happen to this team is for them to restore their faith in them.