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  • #31
    Well.

    Grossman will be a value. Seriously, if we can get away (yes, get away) with playing with him one more year, which i believe we can, we can focus this year on getting an O-Line that'll actually block. We'll be able to resign him for less, or ship him away for more.

    Okwo and Williams will be the logical next step as the future of bears linebackers, probably never will be as effective as briggs, but they won't totally screw the bears with their playing skills. One of them, or both of them, might end up seeing some time next year.

    Cutting moose might be a top priority too. Whatever happened to all those receivers that we had with sure hands? Didn't he have like 10 drops in the past 4 weeks? The value isn't there for us though. Shame.
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    • #32
      So I've been thinking about the draft since the season is coming to a close, and I think I'd really like something like this:

      1) Ryan Clady
      2) Joe Flacco
      3a) Craig Steltz
      3b) Kirk Barton
      4) De'Cody Fagg
      5) Owen Schmitt
      6) Andre Callender
      7) Jamario O'Neal

      At a certain point I have trouble lining up pick values with player values but I don't like any of the Big 3 enough to spend a first on one of them and assuming the guy will sit anyway Joe Flacco would be a fine choice in my eyes, I think he's a bit of a late-riser like Kevin Kolb. Of all the safeties I've watched all year, both Steltz and Silva (BC) have really impressed me, along with Anderson Russell, but he's a junior. Barton I think could be a good right tackle, I've like Fagg when I've seen him, Schmitt might not be there but he's a great H-back and if we actually get some creativity in our offense he can fill in as third tight end, third running back, fullback, and he'd probably be a good special teamer. I actually liked Garrett Wolfe coming out of college, I thought maybe he could carve himself a niche like Darren Sproles but third round was probably to high for him and he's always going to be second to Hester on return duty. With that said, Callender offers the same thing but he's more solid and he's got good hands out of the backfield. In the seventh, I wasn't really sure where to go but O'Neal was a guy who had great tools (4.4-4.5 40, 210 lbs) but not everything clicked mentally. At the very worst he's a good special teams guy, at best he develops into a serviceable safety, although we took several DBs late last year, so maybe I should reconsider that pick. Also, do we have any picks I'm forgetting (maybe another 5th or something? Thoughts?

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      • #33
        I don't think Callender would be worth a pick. He does not add anything to the team. I haven't done my research on Joe Flacco, but have heard his name thrown around. I think a DT would be a good selection there.

        I also want to know if Trevor Laws is around in the 3rd Round, I think it would be a great fit for us.

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        • #34
          1) Ryan Clady: I'll wait to see how he does in his bowl game, but I'm worried about his inexperience.

          2) Joe Flacco: For a division 1-AA QB to be drafted in the first day he needs some freakishly good athleticism, e.g. McNair. At best Flacco is 5th round draft pick.

          3a) Craig Steltz: I'm worried about his ability to play the pass. The bowl game will be a good test for him. However, at this point I would pass on Steltz until I see him at the combine. LSU has too much talent to objectively judge Steltz on his own merit.

          3b) Kirk Barton: I like Barton but this move doesn't make sense unless they want to move him to guard. John Tait and St. Clair can both still play RT and I would hope the Bears address the LT situation early in the first or second round.

          Everybody else is debatable.

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          • #35
            1-Brohm QB
            2-Carl Nicks OT-I dont know about him, so im waiting on a scouting report.
            3a-Jonathan Hefney DB
            3b- Barry Richardson OL


            Whatcha think? This was a mock I saw in the mock draft forums after I critiqued it a bit. (The guy had us getting a RB and LB in the third)
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            • #36
              What i would like to see the bears do is found in my sig but i think ill go into an explanation on each position and you guys let me know what you think:

              QB: I think Orton might have bought himself a year to compete as starter, but griese and grossman have got to go. Bringing in another vet like chad pennington might not be a bad thing either and i would like the bears to look for a QB in rounds 2-3 to let sit for a year and see what happens. In my sig, I have them going with Flacco in round 3.

              RB: It's too early to give up on Benson and I don't think either peterson or wolfe is good enough to be a full time change of pace back. I wouldn't mind someone else big who can also contribute on special teams or as a fullback. someone like jacob hester or owen schmidt maybe. I dont see this being addressed any earlier than round 4 though.

              WR: Muhammad is becoming ancient and Berrian, if around, is no more than a #2 at best. Hester needs to continue his development at WR but hes too valueable as a returner to ever go further than the #3 IMO. Help is definitally needed but i dont think with all the needs the bears have that this gets addressed in the first three rounds.

              TE: Set with Olsen.

              O-line: Tackle is a huge concern and Fred Miller has to go. I want them to bring in someone like Otah in round 1 (or possibly Clady) and put them in right away at RT while developing them long term to take over for tait at the all important LT spot. Depth at G and C is also important but Tackle must be addressed first and foremost.

              D-line: End seems pretty set but someone needs to be brought in long term to play next to harris at DT. With the lack of depth at S in the draft, I think DT becomes the bears 2nd biggest need and I have them addressing it in round 2.

              LB: It'll be sad to see Briggs go but having Jamar Williams and last years 3rd rounder Okwo behind him, it doesnt seem like it becomes a big area of need.

              CB: Fairly set I believe assuming everyone stays healthy. Depth couldnt hurt though, but no earlier that the latest rounds.

              S: Perhaps a big area of need depending on how things shake out with Mike Brown and how Dan Manning is viewed to have progressed. Sadly, it seems like this draft is very weak at safety and with bigger needs at QB and OT, I don't see the bears going that way with thier first rounder in Kenny Phillips.

              K: Set with Gould.

              P: I think its time for Maynard to go before his downhill climb continues. Bring in some youth and the bears special teams could be set for quite a while.

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              • #37
                I saw this mock on another draft site and was rather pleased with it, thought I'd run it past the masses.

                1st round- Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
                2nd round- Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
                3rd round- Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
                3rd round- Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
                4th round- Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida


                That seems a bit too optomistic, but I would LOVE that draft.


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                • #38
                  Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                  I saw this mock on another draft site and was rather pleased with it, thought I'd run it past the masses.

                  1st round- Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
                  2nd round- Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
                  3rd round- Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
                  3rd round- Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
                  4th round- Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida


                  That seems a bit too optomistic, but I would LOVE that draft.
                  That is the best case scenario I believe. I would be ecstatic.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                    I saw this mock on another draft site and was rather pleased with it, thought I'd run it past the masses.

                    1st round- Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
                    2nd round- Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
                    3rd round- Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
                    3rd round- Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
                    4th round- Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida


                    That seems a bit too optomistic, but I would LOVE that draft.
                    thats really not bad at all. id be pleased, though id like to see what other RB's are available there than choice. if just for comparison reasons

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
                      thats really not bad at all. id be pleased, though id like to see what other RB's are available there than choice. if just for comparison reasons
                      Kevin Smith and Jamaal Charles were both available as well. I'd be fine with either, though I am a fan of Choice.


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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
                        thats really not bad at all. id be pleased, though id like to see what other RB's are available there than choice. if just for comparison reasons
                        Would you just prefer a different style than Choice or you just don't like Choice as a player?

                        I think he is very comparable to Thomas Jones. Patient at the line sees holes well, blocks well and catches the ball out of the backfield. Not really a home run threat but does well to pick up that 4 yards thats available.

                        I'd much rather a Choice, Peterson, Wolfe backfield than say a Slaton, Peterson Wolfe backfield.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                          Kevin Smith and Jamaal Charles were both available as well. I'd be fine with either, though I am a fan of Choice.
                          smith seems pretty good all around while charles would be a nice burner. i suupose id be alright with any too.

                          i think id put charles at the top of those 3 still

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by dabears10 View Post
                            Would you just prefer a different style than Choice or you just don't like Choice as a player?

                            I think he is very comparable to Thomas Jones. Patient at the line sees holes well, blocks well and catches the ball out of the backfield. Not really a home run threat but does well to pick up that 4 yards thats available.

                            I'd much rather a Choice, Peterson, Wolfe backfield than say a Slaton, Peterson Wolfe backfield.
                            oh yeah, no, i wouldnt touch slaton before the 5th rould probably. which means we wouldnt be getting slaton.

                            also, i think your forgetting that, until someone beats him completely out, benson is still going to be part of that backfield

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
                              oh yeah, no, i wouldnt touch slaton before the 5th rould probably. which means we wouldnt be getting slaton.

                              also, i think your forgetting that, until someone beats him completely out, benson is still going to be part of that backfield
                              Well I'm looking a few years down the line when A) he gets cut or B) his contract is up. I'm don with the guy unless he proves he is worthy of anyones respect.

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                              • #45
                                Clady < Williams?

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