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  • Archuleta trade good for Bears?

    I know this is a no-brainer. A sixth-round pick for a proven veteran who hits like a ton of bricks (harder even than Todd Johnson)... definitely a good deal.

    But does it really address the problem? Brown can't stay healthy for a full season--if he could, this trade would be worthless, because Archuleta would be a back-up (he can't play free safety, and Brown is twice the SS as he is a FS, even in Cover-2). So Archuleta is insurance for Brown. While that's important, if Brown stays healthy the full season, I see him as being better than Archuleta in most ways.

    Free safety is where we need stability, and depth at both positions. This trade doesn't accomplish either. And Archuleta is not a cover guy... Brown (when healthy) was good in space, and that's Archuleta's weak poiint.

    What the trade does accomplish is telling Mike Brown that the Bears don't expect him to be back, and will want to restructure his contract. Granted, the guy has had injury problems, but it sucks pretty hard to do this to him (unless, of course, there's inside info on his injury situation that makes the team less confident that he can produce this year).

    Ultimately, the Archuleta acquisition signals Brown's departure. And that's why I'm a bit mixed about the deal. I think in the end it's good for the Bears, and dirt-cheap in terms of cost... and maybe I'm just too big a Mike Brown fan. But the defense is significantly, tangibly different when Brown's not in there. If Archuleta brings the same sort of leadership, that's another story.

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    I do agree that this is a pretty clear sign that the FO doesn't have a lot of confidence in Brown ever being what he used to be.

    That being said, maybe they know something we don't. It's quite possible he won't be ready for the start of the season.

    I'm much less worried about players feelings that I am about making moves to improve the team, and any way you slice it our team got better yesterday.

    I'm sure they won't cut Brown or ask him to restructure unless they are fairly certain that his injuries are such that he'll never be what he used to be, which is a distinct possibility.


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    • #3
      As for what Archuleta brings, at the very least our run defense won't turn to dogshit without Brown in there. I'm a big Todd Johnson fan but he's just not a longterm answer.

      If Brown is cut, assuming it happens before the draft which I doubt it does, safety goes back to being my #2 draft need behind O-line.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
        As for what Archuleta brings, at the very least our run defense won't turn to dogshit without Brown in there. I'm a big Todd Johnson fan but he's just not a longterm answer.

        If Brown is cut, assuming it happens before the draft which I doubt it does, safety goes back to being my #2 draft need behind O-line.
        I highly doubt Brown is cut. I think if he's moved to FS it would help all of us tremendously. Also the wear and tear on his body would decrease (hopefully). I wouldn't mind seeing Brown move back to FS to keep him healthy and pick off balls. He's pretty versitile as a Safety.

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        • #5
          Brown is much better suited for SS. He doesn't have the speed you want for a FS in a cover 2 defense.


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          • #6
            I believe we have been after Archuleta since Lovie has been in Chicago and before Mike Brown was battling injuries so I would assume that we see something more in him then just an insurance policy for Brown. I see him playing the role of a poorman's John Lynch. I think we will try out Brown at FS before considering cutting him or asking him to restructure. He better get healthy quick.

            Also how is Archuleta on special teams?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
              Brown is much better suited for SS. He doesn't have the speed you want for a FS in a cover 2 defense.
              He also doesnt have the size you want for a SS in a cover 2 defense. He has always been the kind if player that has been able to play past his measurables with great instincts. At FS he will at least be more likely to stay healthy.

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              • #8
                Brown doesnt have the speed to play anything in the cover 2 but with arch on the team it would be wise to put him at Brown at FS. Brown and Arch are our 2 best safties hands down

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                • #9
                  Brown and Arch are our best SS... D.Manning stays at FS, IMO.

                  I doubt he goes from rookie starter to riding the bench after one season. Plus, he played pretty good last year as a first year rookie out of Abeline-Christian.

                  Brown will start at SS< and Arch will be a situational player and special teamer, and insurance policy if Brown goes down to injury, IMO.

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                  • #10
                    Larry Mayer, who is basically a puppet for the Bears organization, said that he would expect (or not be suprised I can't remember) if Brown is moved back to FS and started alongside Arch.


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                    • #11
                      Benching almost all of it's young talent is going to get this organization in trouble not too far down the road. Danieal Manning and Chris Harris should be given room to develop.

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                      • #12
                        Chris Harris is a career backup. He was started out of necessity, much like Kyle Orton.


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                        • #13
                          D manning started out of necessity also, he had a good year for a guy who made the jump from 1-aa to the nfl but he didnt have that good of a year overall, mike and arch should be starting, manning should not have started last year

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by regoob2 View Post
                            D manning started out of necessity also, he had a good year for a guy who made the jump from 1-aa to the nfl but he didnt have that good of a year overall, mike and arch should be starting, manning should not have started last year
                            who should have started over manning last year? after brown went down, you had to start manning. he was the best option.

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                            • #15
                              ya thats what i was sayin but hes not the best option anymore mike brown is at FS, Manning has no business at this point in his career being a starter, thats probably why we brought in a proven vet like arch so we can move brown to FS and also have manning watch and wait to take over after a year or in case of an injury

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