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  • PalmerToCJ
    started a topic Bengals Big Board

    Bengals Big Board

    As you believe it actually looks like...

    Round One
    1. Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida St.
    2. Reggie Nelson S Florida
    3. Patrick Willis MLB Ole Miss
    4. Chris Houston CB Arkansas
    5. Darrelle Revis CB Pitt
    6. Jon Beason OLB Miami (FL)
    7. Michael Griffin S Texas

    Round Two
    1. Rufus Alexander OLB Oklahoma
    2. Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St.
    3. Eric Weddle S Utah
    4. Justin Durant LB Hampton
    5. Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
    6. Josh Wilson CB Maryland

  • Iamcanadian
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    [QUOTE=mrpotamus;240934]I am devising this board using a formula that takes into account the position need and the player's talent level. First will be the positional need breakdown, then the player talent rankings, and then finally, the Bengals board. The formula is just positional need multiplied by the player's talent level.


    Player's Talent Level
    Calvin Johnson- 10
    Joe Thomas- 9.2
    Brady Quinn- 9.1
    Jamal Anderson- 8.8--more like an 8.1
    Alan Branch- 8.6--an 8.4
    Gaines Adams- 8.4 -- an 8.8
    Adam Carriker- 8.4 (gets an extra point because he can play 3 positions)--an 7.8
    Jamarcus Russell- 8.1--if Quinn is a 9.1 then Russell is a 9.2
    LaRon Landry- 8.1
    Adrian Peterson- 7.9
    Amobi Okoye- 7.9
    Patrick Willis- 7.85--there is a huge droppoff after Akoye--7.6
    Levi Brown- 7.8--7.3 -- could go higher because of supply and demand
    Dewayne Jarrett- 7.75--until he runs at least a 4.55, he's only a 6.6
    Chris Houston- 7.65--another 6.9
    Lawrence Timmons- 7.6--6.9
    Jarvis Moss- 7.4
    Darell Revis- 7.4--7.65
    Reggie Nelson- 7.25
    Marshawn Lynch- 7--6.8 but could be drafted higher because of need
    Leon Hall- 6.85--closer to a 7.4
    Sidney Rice- 6.6--more like a 5.5
    Aaron Ross- 6.6
    Michael Griffin- 6.5
    Ryan Kalil- 6.3
    John Beason- 6.2
    Paul Posluszny- 6.15--moving up quickly 7.65
    Robert Meachem- 6--on your chart at least a 6.5
    Charles Johnson- 5.9
    Dwayne Bowe- 5.9--more like a 6.8
    Michael Bush- 5.6--off the charts because of injury situation
    Quentin Moses- 5.6--4.6
    Ted Ginn- 5.6--is at least an 7.8
    Joe Staley- 5.5
    Justin Harrell- 5.5
    Justin Blalock- 5.4
    Anthony Spencer- 5.4--6.6
    Brandon Merriweather- 5.35
    Marcus McCauley- 5.3
    DeMarcus Tyler- 5.2


    Great idea but you player talent rating still needs a lot of work. Even if you give Johnson a 10.0, most drafts have the top players starting at around 8.5.To get above that, you have to be very special with no question marks.

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  • bengalbuck
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    mrpotamus, great work and a very interesting post. kind of puts things in a different perspective. I may have some disagreements with some of your grades, but I really like where you are going with this.

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    I am devising this board using a formula that takes into account the position need and the player's talent level. First will be the positional need breakdown, then the player talent rankings, and then finally, the Bengals board. The formula is just positional need multiplied by the player's talent level.

    Team Needs
    QB- 0
    Backup QB- 4.3
    RB- 2
    backup RB- 5
    FB- 0
    LT- 0
    backup LT- 3.8
    LG- 2
    backup LG- 2.5
    C- 2.7
    backup C- 1.2
    RG- 0
    backup RG- 0
    RT- 0
    backup RT- 3.2
    WR- 1
    backup WR- 1
    TE- 5.7
    LE- 5.4
    backup LE- 3.2
    NT- 4.3
    backup NT- 5.8
    UT- 7.2
    backup UT- 6.4
    RE- 1.2
    backup RE- 2.6
    WLB- 7.9
    backup WLB- 3.2
    MLB- 5.2
    backup MLB- 1.4
    SLB- 3.3
    backup SLB- 4.8
    CB- 8.2
    backup CB- 7.7
    S- 6.1
    backup S- 8.1

    (for the most part, backup means second day, but I mean it as a guy that will be depth, not really a starter, at least not initially. For example, we could really use a WLB, but anyone who is not better than Landon Johnson would be a waste of a pick. That is why staring WLB is so much higher than backup.)

    Player's Talent Level
    Calvin Johnson- 10
    Joe Thomas- 9.2
    Brady Quinn- 9.1
    Jamal Anderson- 8.8
    Alan Branch- 8.6
    Gaines Adams- 8.4
    Adam Carriker- 8.4 (gets an extra point because he can play 3 positions)
    Jamarcus Russell- 8.1
    LaRon Landry- 8.1
    Adrian Peterson- 7.9
    Amobi Okoye- 7.9
    Patrick Willis- 7.85
    Levi Brown- 7.8
    Dewayne Jarrett- 7.75
    Chris Houston- 7.65
    Lawrence Timmons- 7.6
    Jarvis Moss- 7.4
    Darell Revis- 7.4
    Reggie Nelson- 7.25
    Marshawn Lynch- 7
    Leon Hall- 6.85
    Sidney Rice- 6.6
    Aaron Ross- 6.6
    Michael Griffin- 6.5
    Ryan Kalil- 6.3
    John Beason- 6.2
    Paul Posluszny- 6.15
    Robert Meachem- 6
    Charles Johnson- 5.9
    Dwayne Bowe- 5.9
    Michael Bush- 5.6
    Quentin Moses- 5.6
    Ted Ginn- 5.6
    Joe Staley- 5.5
    Justin Harrell- 5.5
    Justin Blalock- 5.4
    Anthony Spencer- 5.4
    Brandon Merriweather- 5.35
    Marcus McCauley- 5.3
    DeMarcus Tyler- 5.2



    Bengals' Board

    Chris Houston- 62.73
    Patrick Willis- 62.02 (as a WLB)
    Adam Carriker- 60.48 (as a UT, where I think he fits best)
    Lawrence Timmons- 60.04
    Darrell Revis- 59.04
    Amobi Okoye- 56.88
    Leon Hall- 56.17
    Aaron Ross- 54.12
    Alan Branch- 49.88
    LaRon Landry- 49.41
    John Beason- 48.98
    Paul Posluszny- 48.59
    Jamal Anderson- 47.52
    Reggie Nelson- 44.23
    Marcus McCauley- 43.46
    Michael Griffin- 39.65
    Justin Harrell- 39.6
    Brandon Merriweather- 32.63
    Tank Tyler- 22.36
    Gaines Adams- 21.84
    Jarvis Moss- 19.24
    Anthony Spencer- 17.82 (as SLB)
    Ryan Kalil- 17.01
    Adrian Peterson- 15.8
    Marshawn Lynch- 14
    Michael Bush- 12.2
    Calvin Johnson- 10
    Dewayne Jarrett- 7.75
    Charles Johnson- 7.08
    Quentin Moses- 6.72
    Sidney Rice- 6.6
    Robert Meachem- 6
    Dewayne Bowe- 5.9
    Ted Ginn- 5.6
    Joe Thomas- 0
    Brady Quinn- 0
    Jamarcus Russell- 0
    Levi Brown- 0
    Joe Staley- 0
    Justin Blalock- 0

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  • themaninblack
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    i dont like beason at all and i dont think linebacker is as big a need as it is being made out to be. if odell comes back this would be a wasted pick imo. i still think we should trade down and pick up griffin and hopefully a 3rd rounder.

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  • PalmerToCJ
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    Yeah I don't think we go with anyone of the MLB type, we already have Odell/Ahmad/Caleb/Nicholson who can play MLB. I'd really prefer just a pure WLB. Maybe we could manage to trade down and get Beason, then go CB round 2 and S round 3.

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  • themaninblack
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    odell plays at 230 and could destroy jamal lewis. its more than size, its an attitude bringing down someone like that.

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  • rickscott
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    Most of these speedy LBers that are out there are in the 220- or low 230s and that can't stop Jamel Lewis in his tracks at the line of scrimmage. That's been the problem with Johnson and Miller. They may make contact, but they can't bring people down NOW

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    I think Buster Davis is exclusively a MLB. He probably does not have the speed to be a WLB and he is far too short.

    Siler, Everett, or Alexander would be better choices. Even Durant would be a solid choice in the second round.

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  • TheChampIsHere
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    Do you guys think Buster Davis could be a good fit in the 2nd? We are talking about a pure football player with top notch intangibles and the speed Marvin loves. He could move to WLB for the Bengals and they could have their lineup looking like

    SLB - Brooks
    MLB - Thurman
    WLB - Davis

    And of course if Thurman keeps having problems and gets suspended or anything Davis could start at MLB.

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  • Bengals1690
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    well

    im hoping for Revis,because i think CB was our greatest need last year. James and Oneal were horrid. Id take Hall too, but im not sold on Chris houston

    Puz would be fine with me, i think he gets taken by the steelers though.

    we could get our linebacker in the 2nd, anyways. Siler and Alexander are both probably left there.

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  • PalmerToCJ
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    The thing about safteys is that's where you can have real game changers, a bulk of the non-cover 2 teams with great defenses have elite safteys.

    I think if Keiwan could play saftey in the coaching staffs eyes that Ohalete wouldn't have been allowed out there in '05.

    I agree about Fanene and I think Smith will not be signed long term to see what Frostee can do... Marvin was obviously high on him.

    I think that Timmons would be the dream pick at this point, with Odell back we'd have an insane young LB core loaded with talent/playmakers... All three could get to the QB if needed.

    As much as I think we need a CB I'm hoping that holds off until the second, Deltha can play next year if needed and CB just isn't the game changing spot LB or S can be. Plus, anyone instead of Tory James is a massive upgrade.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    My Big Board:

    Chris Houston
    - I think he is the best CB prospect. He has the speed to keep up with anybody, he is a very physical CB in coverage, and he has a ton of upside. He needs to work on his run support, but he has time to learn. He reminds me a lot of Joseph.

    Lawrence Timmons- He is what we need in a linebacker. He has decent speed and he is tailor made for the weak side. Landon Johnson is solid, but I do not think he is by any means a long-term solution. Timmons-Thurman-Brooks would be a very good combination. (for the record, I think the release of Brian Simmons pretty much assures that Odell is coming back)

    Patrick Willis- Even though I think Odell is coming back, Willis could probably make the move to the weak side. He has decent speed and coverage skills. He also has very good size.

    Adam Carriker- I think Carriker would make a fantastic 3 technique DT. He has great height and would really provide a much needed interior pass rush. I prefer tall, long, 300-310 lb. DTs who can rush the passer and use their leverage to make a statement in the running game.

    Darrell Revis- I am not sold on Leon Hall at all, and I think Revis is the second best CB in the draft. We do not really know his speed, but I think it will be solid. My only reservation with him is that he did not see a whole lot of action last season. From what I understand, he was only thrown at ~15 times.

    I will be pretty upset if the Bengals draft a S in the first round. We have two solid starters and Kaes, if he resigns, is good depth. And if Kaes does not come back, I think they will go after Deon Grant or Ken Hamlin as a replacement. Plus, Ratliff can play safety in a pinch. LB and CB are much bigger needs, along with a DT that can rush the passer from the inside without sacrificing anything in the run game. I think Fanene could make a very good UT, but I am not sure if he will get the chance. DE is another position that is really not needed. Even without Justin Smith, I think Rucker will have a very good season, and Robinson, Fanene, and even Henderson provide solid depth. I just do not see a pass rusher that will be available at 18 that will be an upgrade over what we have.

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  • derza222
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    Originally posted by PalmerToCJ View Post
    I'm not really rooting for Poz although I wouldn't be angry if he was the pick.

    I'm mostly rooting for Timmons or Nelson. Nelsons smarts issue has a lot to do with his GPA but just because your GPA sucks doesn't mean you're dumb... In some cases it just means you don't care about school work haha.
    At the same time when you're a college athlete at the level Nelson was you have so much going for you when it comes to academics its tough to do poorly. After his blazing forty he may be out of the Bengals' range, but if he slips to them it will be tough not to take him. Imagine that safety pairing for years to come...

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  • I_C_DeadPeople
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    Trade down?

    Personally, I hope we can trade down in the first and pick up and additional second or get back a 3rd rounder. I would rather have 3 new defensive players coming in from Day 1 - to go along with the likely forgetable Frostee, the escaped jail AJ , the full camp awits Ahmad and maybe Odell.

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