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  • #91
    I hate seeing those 3rd and long changes that they make with the defensive personnel. It seems when they apply pressure, they are a much better defense than when they drop back as they did over and over today. A sloppy game by Palmer and still a nice win. Next 3 weeks are huge.

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    • #92
      Yeah, this game is an even better example of why Tory James is a TERRIBLE CB. Deltha and Joseph better be our starters next week. I actually am not totally against seeing the three safties out there, it's just that either the QB scrambles and buys time or they burn Tory James.

      I'm impressed by Geathers and the defense actually showing some moves this week instead of just flat out bull rushing every time.

      That 4th and inches play where Sam Adams exploded through the line was just insane. Kaeshviharn is continuing to impress me as being a great backup, he makes some big plays.

      Hopefully vs. Indy we'll have our entire starting line from last year back (Levi, Steinbach, Braham, Williams and Willie). That means a better rushing game and just better protection in general. It's going to be all about Rudi, if we pound the rock with Rudi then Peyton stays off the field. If we get into a shootout throwing long balls that plays to the Colts advantage.

      Today it looked like the Colts had their defense full of Ohalete clones

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      • #93
        I'm now kind of at a loss as to what we should draft this offseason in the first round, last year it was kind of obvious but now I'm not so sure.

        Say we re-sign Justin Smith and let Tory James go packing (which we should and will)...

        DE - Geathers now has double digit sacks and has proved to be a viable option at DE while Justin Smith is one of our more consistent defensive players and has a shot at 10 sacks as well.

        S - While we do need a saftey for the future, DJax has been a solid saftey for us this year (when healthy) and KK is a solid backup for if DJax is hurt. I feel we do need to address saftey but I think it would be most to our benefit to address it round 2 because of need and quality.

        DT - I never felt as if it was much of an option, only way I see it is if say Okam is available at that point. Peko has played great and between Sam Adams/Shaun Smith we have a meaty run stuffer and the run D has been great of late.

        LB - Signs are pointing to Pollack probably returning, who knows about Odell and I'm unsure Simmons will be back although I expect it. The LB's that have been starting (Landon, Caleb and Jeanty) have been great lately. They make tackles and don't overpursue, I feel like LB shouldn't even be addressed at all in the draft. We still have Nicholson and Ahmad from this years draft.

        CB - I'm starting to think there will be a chance of taking a CB two straight years in the first round. We're still sitting last in the NFL in passing yards/game and Tory James is done. Rumor has it Keiwan is gone when his contract is out and that leaves Deltha, Johnathan Joseph and our backups which don't see playing time. Deltha will be 30 next year and hasn't played the best this year when healthy. If we could have two solid cover CB's (Joseph and say Marcus McCauley WOW) then we could do more man coverage and be able to send more guys on the blitz and in run defense. I think it would be for the best of the defense as a whole.

        OL - Levi, Whitworth, Ghiaciuc/Wilkerson (Braham Re-signing?), Bobbie Williams and Willie Anderson WILL be our starting offensive line next year. The only way we address OL is in the later rounds for depth that we will lose via Ghiaciuc/Whitworth moving into starting roles. There is no reason to address OL day one as you all know.

        RB/WR/QB/FB - DUH , no concerns there.

        TE - No one worthy and TE isn't a first day need for us.

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        • #94
          I think our present DEs are very good IF we were to have a dominant blitzing OLB....maybe Pollack was the man, but I'm not sure we'll ever know. I hope they resign J.Smith since they will for sure let Steinbach go. They have to start dedicating some cash to the defense.

          I understand the Commish told Mike Brown today to clean up our act here. I really don't care for the way Marvin has acted like his hands are tied to some extent. Come out in the media and put these guys on front street if you must and embarass the heck out of them but this stuff has to stop. I bet no other team has more than 3 arrests and it's a monthly thing with us and that is being kind.

          I'm hoping we can get a shot at Daymeine Hughes the CB out of Cal in the draft. If not, I bet we can get a fine DT but I'm not sure there will be a dominant DE left for us if we go into the playoffs and have a pick in the mid-late 20s.

          I hear that Dallas Clark is out along with Stokley. I sure hope so.

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          • #95
            I'll add my two cents in bold

            Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
            I'm now kind of at a loss as to what we should draft this offseason in the first round, last year it was kind of obvious but now I'm not so sure.

            Say we re-sign Justin Smith and let Tory James go packing (which we should and will)...

            DE - Geathers now has double digit sacks and has proved to be a viable option at DE while Justin Smith is one of our more consistent defensive players and has a shot at 10 sacks as well.
            I'm not sure what to make of this position. I bet they try to get Geathers to sign a long term extension this offseason after giving him a RFA tender. He could be somewhat costly. Plus, there are rumblings that Pollack strongly prefers DE if he returns.

            S - While we do need a saftey for the future, DJax has been a solid saftey for us this year (when healthy) and KK is a solid backup for if DJax is hurt. I feel we do need to address saftey but I think it would be most to our benefit to address it round 2 because of need and quality.
            Agree completely. 4th or 5th round safety.

            DT - I never felt as if it was much of an option, only way I see it is if say Okam is available at that point. Peko has played great and between Sam Adams/Shaun Smith we have a meaty run stuffer and the run D has been great of late.
            Disagree a little. We have been looking for an interior pass rush for years (like last year when we were forced to move Geathers inside). If the right guy is there at DT, they will take him.

            LB - Signs are pointing to Pollack probably returning, who knows about Odell and I'm unsure Simmons will be back although I expect it. The LB's that have been starting (Landon, Caleb and Jeanty) have been great lately. They make tackles and don't overpursue, I feel like LB shouldn't even be addressed at all in the draft. We still have Nicholson and Ahmad from this years draft.
            Lots of solid depth but lacking a star and I'm not sure if Pollack or Brooks can be that guy, but I don't think we take a LB until late.

            CB - I'm starting to think there will be a chance of taking a CB two straight years in the first round. We're still sitting last in the NFL in passing yards/game and Tory James is done. Rumor has it Keiwan is gone when his contract is out and that leaves Deltha, Johnathan Joseph and our backups which don't see playing time. Deltha will be 30 next year and hasn't played the best this year when healthy. If we could have two solid cover CB's (Joseph and say Marcus McCauley WOW) then we could do more man coverage and be able to send more guys on the blitz and in run defense. I think it would be for the best of the defense as a whole.
            Agree wholeheartedly.

            OL - Levi, Whitworth, Ghiaciuc/Wilkerson (Braham Re-signing?), Bobbie Williams and Willie Anderson WILL be our starting offensive line next year. The only way we address OL is in the later rounds for depth that we will lose via Ghiaciuc/Whitworth moving into starting roles. There is no reason to address OL day one as you all know.
            Agree.

            RB/WR/QB/FB - DUH , no concerns there.
            I wouldn't be shocked to see a surprisingly early pick spent on a guy who is a WR/punt return specialist. We wanted Hester last year despite our WR depth.

            TE - No one worthy and TE isn't a first day need for us.

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            • #96
              Rickscott... Clark being out is money for us, he abused us last year. Now our only problem is that if Deltha doesn't play then Tory james is on Reggie Wayne :shock: . If that's the case they might as well just tell Madieu/Djax to head that way every time.



              BengalBuck.... I hadn't heard the rumor about Pollack wanting to move back to DE, I wanted that all along. I just didn't see the desire to keep him at LB when I saw him as average, the potential was there but he did great last year when he was rushing from the DE spot. I'd really like to re-sign Justin Smith but he isn't some kind of DE stud...

              I think Peko can be our source of an interior pass rush, he's got a good motor for a guy his size and Sam/Shaun Smith can be the run stuffers.

              All I know is that CB looks to be our biggest need at this point, I'm encouraged with the DT/DE play of late and the LB's are picking it up.

              I feel Ahmad Brooks can be a stud in this league, I think he was benched because he just got thrown out there too soon... Next year he can be big for us either in the middle or outside.

              Given the way the first round will potentially play out there are all kinds of possibilities. Okam/Woodley/Spencer/McCauley/Hughes/Cason/Buster Davis etc. will all be there. It'll be interesting for sure...


              This Monday sure will be fun, I can't wait.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by rickscott
                We've now had 8 different guys arrested for various charges this year. Who do you blame? Of course it's the individual's fault but does Marvin have to take some blame here too. If he cut a couple of these guys would that end it? I know it goes on everywhere but we probably have had more than twice what any other team has had this year.

                It all boils down to you reap what you sow. Marvin Lewis came to the Bengals and made it clear that he wanted to change the face of the organization and steer clear of low character guys. But year in and year out the Bengals pull the proverbial 180 and draft these high potential knuckleheads and all these incidents are a bad reflection on the organization and the league itself. Granted Chris Henry and Odell Thurman are players with unquestioned talent on the football field, but there are reasons that they were available when you guys drafted them. For god sakes Marques Colsten fell to the end of the 7th round because of reports of his inability to get along with the coaching staff at Hofstra. Whether this is Marvin Lewis' fault or Mike Brown's fault is a mute point, the question that has to be answered is when are these guys going to be held accountable for their actions and when will the Bengals come out and say talent is more important then character or will they make decisions based on character and talent and leave the knuckleheads's headaches to someone else. This is nothing new for the Bengals, remember this is the franchise that established the character clause in contracts referred to the Carl Pickens' clause and lest we forget the turmoil caused by now Patroit's role model Corey Dillon.

                Magical sig by OSUGiants

                SSAEL....... its a new revolution!


                Originally posted by Job
                On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
                Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

                So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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                • #98
                  Mike Brown picks the players, period. That's who's fault it is for taking them, Brown has publicly admitted to it.

                  None of these players have had problems with the coaching staff. That was Dillions beef, he wanted out because we sucked and the final reason was he lost his job to Rudi and was unhappy.

                  Don't act as if the Ravens are clean though. McAlister has a DUI and another arrest, Sams has 2 DUI's, Rolle was arrested for assaulting his wife, Suggs was charged with assault, McNair has been arrested for DUI and weapons charges, Jamal with his drug dealing and we all know the Ray-Ray story. We're just hitting the same rough spot in off the field issues that you all encountered.

                  Marvin has taken action though, Askew was cut... He has inactivated Henry for 3 games for discipline, inactivated Deltha last Sunday, asked the league to hurry and suspend Odell the entire year following his DUI etc.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
                    Mike Brown picks the players, period. That's who's fault it is for taking them, Brown has publicly admitted to it.

                    None of these players have had problems with the coaching staff. That was Dillions beef, he wanted out because we sucked and the final reason was he lost his job to Rudi and was unhappy.

                    Don't act as if the Ravens are clean though. McAlister has a DUI and another arrest, Sams has 2 DUI's, Rolle was arrested for assaulting his wife, Suggs was charged with assault, McNair has been arrested for DUI and weapons charges, Jamal with his drug dealing and we all know the Ray-Ray story. We're just hitting the same rough spot in off the field issues that you all encountered.

                    Marvin has taken action though, Askew was cut... He has inactivated Henry for 3 games for discipline, inactivated Deltha last Sunday, asked the league to hurry and suspend Odell the entire year following his DUI etc.
                    I love it when people want to make things personal. I was chiming in with some insight and you automatically bash on the Ravens. So lets get the facts straight shall we:

                    Rolle was arrested for assaulting his wife - this happened when he was a member of the Titans if I remember correctly


                    McNair has been arrested for DUI and weapons charges - again not a problem since he became a Raven


                    McAlister has a DUI and another arrest, Suggs was charged with assault, Jamal with his drug dealing and we all know the Ray-Ray story - all these events while wrong happened in the offseason not during the season.


                    Not to mention I don't believe I said in my post anything to the extent of the Ravens are better then the Bengals in regards to off the field conduct.
                    I was merely saying that this is not a problem that needs to blamed on somebody but a problem in evaluating talent and personnel. That is what needs to be addressed. These incidents are effecting the game and the bottom line is that if character were more of an issue then talent the Bengals would not have these problems.

                    Magical sig by OSUGiants

                    SSAEL....... its a new revolution!


                    Originally posted by Job
                    On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
                    Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

                    So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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                    • Originally posted by BigDawg819
                      Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
                      Mike Brown picks the players, period. That's who's fault it is for taking them, Brown has publicly admitted to it.

                      None of these players have had problems with the coaching staff. That was Dillions beef, he wanted out because we sucked and the final reason was he lost his job to Rudi and was unhappy.

                      Don't act as if the Ravens are clean though. McAlister has a DUI and another arrest, Sams has 2 DUI's, Rolle was arrested for assaulting his wife, Suggs was charged with assault, McNair has been arrested for DUI and weapons charges, Jamal with his drug dealing and we all know the Ray-Ray story. We're just hitting the same rough spot in off the field issues that you all encountered.

                      Marvin has taken action though, Askew was cut... He has inactivated Henry for 3 games for discipline, inactivated Deltha last Sunday, asked the league to hurry and suspend Odell the entire year following his DUI etc.
                      I love it when people want to make things personal. I was chiming in with some insight and you automatically bash on the Ravens. So lets get the facts straight shall we:

                      Rolle was arrested for assaulting his wife - this happened when he was a member of the Titans if I remember correctly


                      McNair has been arrested for DUI and weapons charges - again not a problem since he became a Raven


                      McAlister has a DUI and another arrest, Suggs was charged with assault, Jamal with his drug dealing and we all know the Ray-Ray story - all these events while wrong happened in the offseason not during the season.


                      Not to mention I don't believe I said in my post anything to the extent of the Ravens are better then the Bengals in regards to off the field conduct.
                      I was merely saying that this is not a problem that needs to blamed on somebody but a problem in evaluating talent and personnel. That is what needs to be addressed. These incidents are effecting the game and the bottom line is that if character were more of an issue then talent the Bengals would not have these problems.
                      wow :shock: :shock: :shock:

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                      • I was going off the basis for comparison. You know what it's like, players screw up and they act like the whole franchise is just trash and that's not the case with either team. Marvin Lewis is a class act and it just annoys me that people point the finger at him. We've taken in people with off field troubles as have you all and our teams have been pretty successful of late so it doesn't effect our on field (as some people will claim).


                        We claimed Skyler Green today off waivers. Not sure if he's just for WR or PR/KR. Guess we'll see, doubt he does much Monday night.

                        Kwash is on IR. Looks like he's played his last game as a Bengal.

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                        • Bengals Mock Draft 3.0: I am going to start this off by saying that I am going to assume that we finish the season at 10-6. That would give us a pick around number 24. Please tell me what you think. I can take the criticism and welcome it.


                          Round 1. Michael Griffin, Safety, Texas Sr, 6-0, 205, 4.45: Very smooth and athletic. Tough, physical, aggressive, and a big hitter. Fluid hips and exceptional in coverage. A lot of experience against top competition. 4 blocked kicks this season. Jackson is in the last years of his career and would be the perfect person for Griffin to learn from. Griffin has the stuff to be a stud in this league for quit a while. Madieu and Griffin in the secondary together would be quit a force.

                          Round 2. Daniel Bazuin, DE, Central Michigan Sr, 6-3, 272: Absolute sack machine and is always in the backfield. Some of the most impressive stats that I have ever seen. Through his Junior season he had 25 career sacks and 48.5 tackles for loss. Had 16 sacks his junior year and followed that up with 8.5 this year. He will fall in the draft because he doesn't play for a power house. This is the perfect fit for Bengals. We need that pass rusher of the future to team up with Geather becasue Smith might be gone next season. Might be that second round steal that the Bengals have come to be known by.

                          Round 3. Ahmad Brooks (2006)

                          Round 4. Justin Warren, ILB, Texas A&M Sr, 6-3, 245: Teams leading tackler by a mile. Ideal size and strength for an ILB. Scary to think that Odell and Pollack could not be back next year and Simmons is no longer a speedster. This would work well if we switch to a 3-4 but would also add depth, which we all know we need at this postion.

                          Round 5. Marquice Cole, CB, Northwestern Sr, 5-9, 185 Punt returner. A little small for the position which will make him drop in the draft. Marquice is more quick than fast, which is why he would be the perfect nickle or slot corner in the NFL. He makes plays in close quarters but gets beat on deep passes. Good tackler.

                          Round 6. John Beck, QB, BYU Sr, 6-1, 218: AMAZING ARM STRENGHT. Can throw a ball 75 yards. Guaranteed to make any throw at the next level. Reads defenses well, makes quality adjustments, and makes quick checkdowns on receivers. Good pocket presence and fairly agile. Has played under 2 head coaches and two different offensive schemes, progressing quickly into new system. Gun slinger who would fit into the Matt Schaub type of a career backup who could manage an offense in a pinch behind Carson. It would be nice to get a backup that will be around for a while.

                          Round 7. Brent Celek, TE, University of Cincinnati Sr, 6'4", 260: Great runner after the catch. Averages 15 yards a catch this season. Hometown product who is the all-time leading receiver as TE for the Bearcats. Just what the fans wanted... a TE.

                          Tell me what you guys think. What would you change? Do you like the positions that were picked? Who Dey
                          Who Dey & Go Bucks
                          The Bengals are going to the Super Bowl.

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                          • Regardless of tomorrow nights outcome we leave the WC leader for the 3rd straight week via Jacksonvilles loss.

                            WOOHOOO... I don't care though, if we win out it doesn't matter what everyone else does.

                            FootballGod, I'll check out your mock later... I'm too busy taking all of this in

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                            • Thats cool PalmertoCJ. The playoffs are in our hands for the rest of the season. All that we have to do is take care of our self the rest of the way and we are in.
                              Who Dey & Go Bucks
                              The Bengals are going to the Super Bowl.

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                              • Ok, I will still claim that it's hard to do a Bengals mock without knowing the future of Justin Smith. I think Woodley is a lock (if he makes it back to us) if Smith leaves. Honestly I still can't see us spending a first rounder on a saftey. Granted we need one for the future but saftey is a position where solid players can be found on day 2, I think a 4th rounder would be great to spend on a saftey.

                                Although we need a pass rusher I think if Justin Smith leaves we need a guy that is at least average in run stopping. For example I think if Moses and Woodley were there to be had round 1 Marvin wouldn't hesitate to take Woodley over Moses' pass rushing abilities. We can't have two players of situational pass rushing abilities starting all downs (Geathers/Draft pick). I don't think Bazuin would be the best fit to replace Smith who is just as good (if not better) at stopping the run as bringing heat on the QB.

                                CB is quickly becoming a potential first round need given Deltha being average and Tory James being trash. None of our backups have been able to step up to make a difference so I think it wouldn't be a half bad idea to address CB round 1. To be honest I'd really like to see CB addressed round 1 or 2 again this year because CB isn't a position you can really strike gold with in the later rounds.

                                If Smith stays...

                                1. CB/DT (only Okam really at DT)
                                2. Saftey (Wendling/Weddle maybe fall?)
                                4. QB (maybe, we need a long term backup)/KR-PR/OL/TE
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                                It's hard to say what we'll do at LB. Jeanty is solid, Landon is decent, Odell is questionable, Ahmad is a future starter but at SLB or MLB?, Simmons is nearing the end, Pollack is questionable, Caleb is solid as a backup. I'm not sure what to think of it, Marvin loves them athletic LB's so maybe one will catch his eye in say round 2.

                                If Smith leaves...

                                1. Woodley (I'm hoping he drops)
                                2. Saftey/CB/Maybe LB.

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