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    Kenny Irons? Are you kidding me? I'm sorry but for a team that doesnt have a 3rd pick, terrible idea. I cant find reasoning for this.

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  • #2
    i love the pick, hes a stud from a tough conference and he's gonna give us another haymaker to throw during games. sure i wouldve like to have seen a defensive player but i knew something like this was going to happen.

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    • #3
      I'm sure many will. If you guys can find a reason that Chris Perry was anything but an awful pick, I'm sure you can do the same with Irons.

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      • #4
        I absolutely LOVE that pick! The best RB from the SEC?! What awesome defensive player were you wanting to take at that point? I'll take a home run hitting RB over a reach at LB or trading any of our very few picks to move up. God forbid Rudi go down with an injury, if Watson was going to be our every down back for an extended period, I would have been selling my seats and staying at home for those games! Irons may need to work on his hands (not sure, it's not like Auburn passes to the RB a lot) but at least having a guy that can team with Rudi, and that Rudi happens to love, on the gameday roster is a good thing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GregB_99 View Post
          I absolutely LOVE that pick! The best RB from the SEC?! What awesome defensive player were you wanting to take at that point? I'll take a home run hitting RB over a reach at LB or trading any of our very few picks to move up. God forbid Rudi go down with an injury, if Watson was going to be our every down back for an extended period, I would have been selling my seats and staying at home for those games! Irons may need to work on his hands (not sure, it's not like Auburn passes to the RB a lot) but at least having a guy that can team with Rudi, and that Rudi happens to love, on the gameday roster is a good thing.

          -Greg

          Yep, same thing I heard about Chris Perry.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Crickett View Post
            Yep, same thing I heard about Chris Perry.
            If you heard Perry was the leading rusher from the SEC then you've been listening to some pretty stupid people. If you're going to hold Perry's unfortunate injuries against Irons... then I am damn glad that you aren't in charge of our drafts. Who exactly did you want with that second pick that was there by the time we got to make it? I don't see anyone that wasn't a reach, and I'd rather them reach for the best player in a lesser needed area than reach and overpay a player because the fans think they know more than the scouts and coaches. You do realize that the NFL will continue to go on beyond just next year right?
            Last edited by GregB_99; 04-30-2007, 03:09 PM. Reason: apparently ret*rded is a bad word now?

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            • #7
              Perry was a good pick in '04, I will always argue that. Rudi was going into his UFA year and was only a one year wonder to that point. If he fizzled out or hit it big and didn't re-sign then Perry is a great pick. He also wasn't much of a concern for injuries, just unfortunate really. In '05 he was massive for us.

              The more I look at it the more I support the Irons pick. Yes, defense would've been nice but the value wasn't there. I've been afraid of Rudi going down, if that happened we would no longer be screwed.

              Marvin likes to run 2 RB systems, just that couldn't happen with Perry being hurt. This will have a large enough impact on the offense to warrant the pick. Plus there's no way we keep Perry after next year so RB was going to be the pick next year, might as well address it this year given he was BPA.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GregB_99 View Post
                If you heard Perry was the leading rusher from the SEC then you've been listening to some pretty stupid people. If you're going to hold Perry's unfortunate injuries against Irons... then I am damn glad that you aren't in charge of our drafts. Who exactly did you want with that second pick that was there by the time we got to make it? I don't see anyone that wasn't a reach, and I'd rather them reach for the best player in a lesser needed area than reach and overpay a player because the fans think they know more than the scouts and coaches. You do realize that the NFL will continue to go on beyond just next year right?
                Yeah. I mean, its quite clear drafting a third string running back in the second round was exactly what the Bengals needed. Why, I'm surprised he made it past the Chargers, Saints, Jaguars and Chiefs to make it to the Bengals.

                If Chris Perry could contribute 740 yards to the Bengals in 3 years after being drafted in the first round, I can only assume that Kenny Irons should be able to contribute at least..... 600 yards in the same amount of time. Well worth a second round draft pick.

                Its a good thing Marvin likes to run 2 running back systems. After all, that 150-250 yards the Bengals #2 RB has provided each of the past 3 years were invaluable. Clearly enough to warrent using a #1 AND a #2 draft pick in a span of four drafts.

                Seriously, other than a QB, just about anything would have made more sense IMO. A defensive linemen to be the heir apparent to Sam Adams or a replacement for the franchise tagged Justin Smith. Heck, with Kelly Washington gone and Chris Henry suspended for half the season and future with the team uncertain, I'd say even a wide receiver would have made more sense.

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                • #9
                  The only other DT taken in round 2 after Irons was Turk McBride and he is very undersized, 280 lbs or so.

                  The 4 DE's taken after Irons in round 2 were Crowder, Abaimiri, Bazuin and Alma-Francis. Many thought Crowder was not that effective on the field. If we had selected either Alma-Francis or Bazuin most fans would have screamed REACH at the top of their lungs. Abaimiri is a guy I thought may be a fit for us but I guess the war room thought otherwise.

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                  • #10
                    I would've liked Abiamiri... He's the one guy.

                    Thing being they're very high on Frostee and Geathers has big money so DE isn't up their on the FO's need list. If Frostee is the above average player they make him out to then this was a great pick as RB was a bigger need really. If Frostee flops Marvin is going to hear about it...

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                    • #11
                      Cricket, I hate to break it to you, but Irons will be option 1b in the run game, not a third string back. I understand that you're upset with Perry being injured, and I'm sure he is to, but to say that's all he could gain in 3 years, when I think he's only actually played about 19-20 games is kind of crazy. I just don't see any position other than Kalil at center that would have been a better value at that point. Don't forget that Marvin and Company get to see the practice squad and guys recovering from injury, they know how Henderson, Rucker and Fanene are developing.

                      I just don't see this as a clear cut stats issue like you are. I think our defense will be better this year just by our offense converting a third down once in a blue freaking moon and keeping them off the field. And if you seriously think Rudi is a good third down back, then let me know and I'll go debate with my wall instead of you. There are plenty of factors that caused our defense to play like crap last year and a lot of them would not be solved by adding 7 defensive rookies.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GregB_99 View Post
                        Cricket, I hate to break it to you, but Irons will be option 1b in the run game, not a third string back.
                        Sure, just like Chris Perry will be circa 2004.


                        Originally posted by GregB_99 View Post
                        I understand that you're upset with Perry being injured, and I'm sure he is to, but to say that's all he could gain in 3 years, when I think he's only actually played about 19-20 games is kind of crazy.
                        Well, its funny, Perry averaged over four a half yards per carry. So if he only got 337 yards rushing.... its because he never got the ball (73 carries!). So much for a two back system.


                        Originally posted by GregB_99 View Post
                        I just don't see any position other than Kalil at center that would have been a better value at that point. Don't forget that Marvin and Company get to see the practice squad and guys recovering from injury, they know how Henderson, Rucker and Fanene are developing.
                        Kenny Irons wasn't Cadillac Williams at Auburn and he was by no means a steal in the second round. Combine that with w Bengals team which only needed a QB or CB LESS than a RB. And the lesser CB need comes from just drafting one a round earlier.


                        Originally posted by GregB_99 View Post
                        I just don't see this as a clear cut stats issue like you are. I think our defense will be better this year just by our offense converting a third down once in a blue freaking moon and keeping them off the field. And if you seriously think Rudi is a good third down back, then let me know and I'll go debate with my wall instead of you.
                        The Bengals were eighth in total offense and scoring offense. If the Bengals offense lacked time of possession (and apparently they did), it is by design.

                        Originally posted by GregB_99 View Post
                        There are plenty of factors that caused our defense to play like crap last year and a lot of them would not be solved by adding 7 defensive rookies.
                        And exactly how many day one picks did the Bengals use on their 30th ranked defense? I could have sworn it was only one. I can't imagine many 30th ranked defenses who are one player away from being good.

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                        • #13
                          The only defender you can make a case for is Abiamiri (in terms of BPA). But like I said with big money in Geathers/Smith and 3rd rounder in Frostee who they all think will be good, why go DE again?

                          CB we were obviously fine at, no good fits at S... That rules out the secondary.

                          LB didn't have guys that would've been fits (Durant and Harris would've been nice)... Plus it seems Ed Hartwell will sign with the team shortly.

                          DT didn't have any adequate players, McBride is too small for our D and Tank Tyler has character concerns, plus he's a Shaun Smith clone.

                          If Frostee doesn't pan out we can look back and say "should've picked Abiamiri", if Frostee is good and Abiamiri is average then you could only make an argument for Ryan Kalil... I personally think Ghiaciuc and Wilkerson can get the job done.

                          Given the situation I support the pick.

                          Geathers/Brooks/Peko/JJ/Madieu still have plenty of room to grow, we fixed the biggest defensive weakness at CB #2. WLB is the only real big spot for improvement in my eyes but there was no one there to do that. Hartwell can be signed to play MLB initially with Ahmad at SLB (Odell coming in later to take MLB back over potentially) and Landon at WLB.

                          I also really liked the Toeaina pick for the future at DT once Adams/Robinson/Thornton leave after next year maybe.

                          Next year we could go WLB-DT and pending what Frostee does and assuming Smith doesn't get signed long term DE. Plus there's potential for plenty of Comp. picks as well. Backup RB was going to have to be addressed at least by next year and as young as our defense is it's still improving.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PalmerToCJ View Post
                            The only defender you can make a case for is Abiamiri (in terms of BPA).
                            Considering Sam Adams age, I'd make the argument for Tank Tyler too. He may have been taken a bit later, but IMO, he would have been just as much of a value at the Bengals pick as Kenny Irons. Except he'd have a better shot at providing a significant contribution.

                            And as I said before, considering the departure of Kelly Washington and Chris Henry's suspension and suspect future with the team, WR actually would have made more sense IMO.

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                            • #15
                              what part of tank tyler is a bad character player didnt u understand

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