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  • #16
    Originally posted by Crickett View Post
    Considering Sam Adams age, I'd make the argument for Tank Tyler too. He may have been taken a bit later, but IMO, he would have been just as much of a value at the Bengals pick as Kenny Irons. Except he'd have a better shot at providing a significant contribution.

    And as I said before, considering the departure of Kelly Washington and Chris Henry's suspension and suspect future with the team, WR actually would have made more sense IMO.
    really, no one cares abuot your opinion. the only way i will ever care about your opinion is if you suddenly become the GM of the Cincinnnati Bengals, and as i dont see that happening anytime soon, shut the **** up.

    quit bashing people for supporting a pick that really wasnt that bad. kenny irons was BPA and no other player really was a good value. If Rudi goes down we have no one behind him, plus he is slow, Irons will be a good change of pace. Kenny was the 3rd or 4th best back in this draft, and as Perry (aka mark prior) will get injured, i really dont see your bef with the pick.
    Last edited by Bengals1690; 04-30-2007, 08:37 PM.


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    • #17
      after calming down, i think irons is a good pick, hes very talented and a great guy, but i wasnt expecting it and add in i think there might have been better D players available

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      • #18
        As I said earlier. Tank Tyler = Shaun Smith with character problems. Not happening.

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        • #19
          I'm with PalmerToCJ here, the pick kind of grew on me. With the uncertain, almost doubtful, future of Chris Perry with the team it was a good idea to give Rudi some rest and take Irons to compliment him. Irons may not be the biggest guy, but he's fast, shifty, and runs with surprising power for a man his size. He played at a high level of competition in college and played very well, especially that junior season. Sure he's been nicked up, but I don't think that should necessarily turn the Bengals away. His injury problems already dropped him from the First Round (which he would have been had he come out last year) to the Mid-Second where we picked him up.

          Nowadays, you need that two back system. Look at both teams in both the AFC and NFC Championship games last year. New England (Dillon and Maroney), Indianapolis (Addai and Rhodes), New Orleans (McAllister and Bush), and Chicago (Jones and Benson). I think Rudi and Irons stack up pretty well with them and may compliment eachother better than any of those combinations, other than McAllister and Bush.

          Apparently, Irons is in the Special Teams plans and may be tried as a returner, though he has never done that before. (In college at least)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bengals1690 View Post
            really, no one cares abuot your opinion. the only way i will ever care about your opinion is if you suddenly become the GM of the Cincinnnati Bengals, and as i dont see that happening anytime soon, shut the **** up.
            This is a message board. If you have a problem with my opinion, don't bother reading it.

            Originally posted by Bengals1690 View Post
            quit bashing people
            The only one bashing anybody here is you. I didn't say anything about anybody. Just the topic at hand which is the selection of Kenny Irons.

            If you have problems with people disagreeing with you, then what the **** are you doing on a message board?

            Originally posted by Bengals1690 View Post
            for supporting a pick that really wasnt that bad. kenny irons was BPA and no other player really was a good value. If Rudi goes down we have no one behind him, plus he is slow, Irons will be a good change of pace.
            So was Chris Perry who last I checked was still a Bengal, so there IS someone behind Rudi Johnson on the depth chart.


            Originally posted by Bengals1690 View Post
            Kenny was the 3rd or 4th best back in this draft, and as Perry (aka mark prior) will get injured, i really dont see your bef with the pick.
            Chris Perry was draft as a "change of pace guy" and an insurance policy in case Rudi Johnson left. Well, Rudi stayed and Perry became a gloried backup.

            Well, now Kenny, who was no where close to the BPA by the way was drafted to be an insurance policy to the Bengals BACKUP running back and as a second rounder, a glorified third string running back.


            As for Tank Tyler, his history isn't spotless, but it's not like he ran a bus full of nuns off the road.


            Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
            Nowadays, you need that two back system. Look at both teams in both the AFC and NFC Championship games last year. New England (Dillon and Maroney), Indianapolis (Addai and Rhodes), New Orleans (McAllister and Bush), and Chicago (Jones and Benson).
            Funny you should say that as Chicago traded Jones, and both Rhodes and Dillon both left. Indianapolis didn't draft a running back and New England didn't until the late rounds. Now you have Cincinnati, who has been featuring one running back since Corey Dillon left and Chris Perry who he was supposed to split time with has spent most of his time off the injured list.... on the bench.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Crickett View Post
              Funny you should say that as Chicago traded Jones, and both Rhodes and Dillon both left. Indianapolis didn't draft a running back and New England didn't until the late rounds. Now you have Cincinnati, who has been featuring one running back since Corey Dillon left and Chris Perry who he was supposed to split time with has spent most of his time off the injured list.... on the bench.
              Is this supposed to be a point? I made a point and you countered with somehing irrelevant. So what if Indy, Chicago and New England got rid of a back? They went to the AFC Championship and NFC Championship games running two back systems. I'm not concerned with them this year. They let their backs go, that's their fault. I'm concerned with the Bengals. In 2005-2006 when the Bengals had both Rudi and Chris Perry their offense was nearly unstoppable, when he went down they lost a major part of their offense. Now you add a healthy Kenny Irons to the depth chart at RB and suddenly it makes everything look a lot better

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                Is this supposed to be a point? I made a point and you countered with somehing irrelevant. So what if Indy, Chicago and New England got rid of a back? They went to the AFC Championship and NFC Championship games running two back systems. I'm not concerned with them this year. They let their backs go, that's their fault. I'm concerned with the Bengals. In 2005-2006 when the Bengals had both Rudi and Chris Perry their offense was nearly unstoppable, when he went down they lost a major part of their offense. Now you add a healthy Kenny Irons to the depth chart at RB and suddenly it makes everything look a lot better
                1. A point? Sure, all three of those teams had two back systems to help transition their rookie running backs into the NFL. Benson was not a rookie, but he injured for so much of his rookie season, he might as well have been. The Bengals have no such problem. All three teams had dual back systems and either lost or got rid of one of the two backs without much in the way of a replacement if one at all.

                2. Whats with the assumption that Chris Perry won't return? The assumption in Perry's selection was that Rudi Johnson might not return. He did. If Chris Perry returns too (and I don't see any reason why not) Kenny Irons will be third on the depth chart. And Watson, he has had five yards a carry over the course of his career may find himself off the team.

                3. From 2005 to 2006, the Cincinnati Bengals offense dropped all the way from sixth to.... eighth.

                4. In three seasons, Chris Perry only had 73 carries. Even if you discount his rookie season, still only 71 carries. Not a whole lot if I do say so myself. So why would anything be different with Irons?

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                • #23
                  crickett is just a naysayer, let him be.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                    This is a message board. If you have a problem with my opinion, don't bother reading it.



                    The only one bashing anybody here is you. I didn't say anything about anybody. Just the topic at hand which is the selection of Kenny Irons.

                    If you have problems with people disagreeing with you, then what the **** are you doing on a message board?



                    So was Chris Perry who last I checked was still a Bengal, so there IS someone behind Rudi Johnson on the depth chart.




                    Chris Perry was draft as a "change of pace guy" and an insurance policy in case Rudi Johnson left. Well, Rudi stayed and Perry became a gloried backup.

                    Well, now Kenny, who was no where close to the BPA by the way was drafted to be an insurance policy to the Bengals BACKUP running back and as a second rounder, a glorified third string running back.


                    As for Tank Tyler, his history isn't spotless, but it's not like he ran a bus full of nuns off the road.




                    Funny you should say that as Chicago traded Jones, and both Rhodes and Dillon both left. Indianapolis didn't draft a running back and New England didn't until the late rounds. Now you have Cincinnati, who has been featuring one running back since Corey Dillon left and Chris Perry who he was supposed to split time with has spent most of his time off the injured list.... on the bench.
                    uin case you didnt notice, we usually dont get in arguments here (in the Bengals team forum), so quit stirring **** up. If you attack my fellow bengal fans, expect to get it back. Chris Perry likely will be PUP, and who else was better value here? and if you say tyler i will be pissed. he is best suited as a 34 nose tackle, and thats just not our system, plus there were questions about his work ethic, which is not what we need. Kenny Irons had a great year, even though he was nicked up and played in a conference full of great defenses. Durant or harris prolly would have been the pick but they got drasfted before us. Plus, im confident about our defensive line. Smith and Geathers are both good on the edge, Peko is solid, and adams will finally be heathly, plus he is on an offseason conditioning plan and he says hes feeling better than he has in a while.


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                    • #25
                      im gonna laugh so hardcore when you see what this kid can do. he's been compared to cadillac and he was hurt and his supporting cast wasn't even close. were gonna be gettin our WAR EAGLE on this season!

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                      • #26
                        You know, I gotta apologize to you guys. You were right about this and I was wrong all along. I just don't know what I was thinking when I criticized the pick.

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                        • #27
                          Can't criticize when he never saw the field. Your sarcasm is funny.

                          Unless he was released for a reason other than Injury, its actually kind of sad that you would even say that. But hey, whatever makes you feel better.
                          Last edited by themaninblack; 08-06-2008, 01:32 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                            You know, I gotta apologize to you guys. You were right about this and I was wrong all along. I just don't know what I was thinking when I criticized the pick.
                            Crickett, I wasn't around when this came up last year, but it sounds like you were disagreeing with the pick based on what Irons was going to provide the Bengals vs. when he was picked. What I didn't see was anything stating why he wouldn't have been a good RB at the time of him being drafted. He seemed to be at least a solid RB coming out of the SEC and though you didn't agree with where Perry was injury wise, Perry was at best a question mark and Rudi wasn't getting younger.

                            Irons sustained a major knee injury and NEVER saw a regular season carry, so it's hard to argue what he would or would not have become in this offense. Certainly not to a degree that it could be argued that the pick was good or bad.

                            If you want to say the defensive needs were greater, I'm cool with that and would even agree, but it's no more than a crap shoot to say definitively that it was a wasted pick. It's a shame he got injured and it's really a mute point as he will probably never play again.

                            Once again, I don't know you, but have to question your coming back to gloat about a point you weren't really making to begin with...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BengalMedic View Post
                              Crickett, I wasn't around when this came up last year, but it sounds like you were disagreeing with the pick based on what Irons was going to provide the Bengals vs. when he was picked. What I didn't see was anything stating why he wouldn't have been a good RB at the time of him being drafted. He seemed to be at least a solid RB coming out of the SEC and though you didn't agree with where Perry was injury wise, Perry was at best a question mark and Rudi wasn't getting younger.

                              Irons sustained a major knee injury and NEVER saw a regular season carry, so it's hard to argue what he would or would not have become in this offense. Certainly not to a degree that it could be argued that the pick was good or bad.

                              If you want to say the defensive needs were greater, I'm cool with that and would even agree, but it's no more than a crap shoot to say definitively that it was a wasted pick. It's a shame he got injured and it's really a mute point as he will probably never play again.

                              Once again, I don't know you, but have to question your coming back to gloat about a point you weren't really making to begin with...
                              Well, keep this in mind too. This thread was the first and only time I got rep raped on this forum. So yeah, I'm coming back to gloat.

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                              • #30
                                Gloating over a major knee injury that will probably end his career? All class.

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