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  • #31
    Originally posted by RoyHall#1
    Most of you want the impact O player, Quinn or Petersen but can this O-line be fixed enough in FA and 1 pick per round that they won't be a waste? Bad O-line = Couch/Green....Good O-line = Kosar-Sipe/Mack-Byner

    So why is everyone against taking thomas?

    And how do you do the white box thing?
    you do the white box thing by clicking "quote" in the upper right hand corner of everyone's post. or, when you start a new post, at the top is say's "qoute" then paste the discussion the click "qoute" again.

    i'm against taking thomas b/c we dont need a tackle. we needs guards.

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    • #32
      Yes, this line could be fixed through FA. I think our main problems were LG and RT. Davidson was one of the main reasons why Andruzzi continued to start throughout the length of the season. Enter: Dielman, Steinbach, or Dockery in FA. Center is a question, I believe they will resign Fraley or sign Gurode (spelling). RT is currently Kelly Butler's job. Even though Tucker has told Crennel that he will return in '07, who knows what his health status is, so I expect a draft pick project to legitimately contest Butler for the job. While Butler wasn't terrible, he proved that he isn't really starting material at RT and could use some competition. Overall, our major concerns are at LG and RT. LG can be fixed in FA, and RT can either be fixed in FA (sign tra thomas) or within day one of the draft (ugoh/staley/marten). It will be intersting to see how the center issue develops. I'm sure Bentley won't return in '07, but I wonder what Phil will say at his combine presser anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Kalil is drafted rd2 to fill our center void, thus moving Bentley to RG when he returns in '08. Overall, we've got a lot of options to improve it, and surely a draft pick like Quinn or Peterson will not be a "waste".

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      • #33
        Would you give a 4rth round pick for David Carr, to give Frye some competiton?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by JoeMontainya
          Would you give a 4rth round pick for David Carr, to give Frye some competiton?
          yes


          props to Eaglez. Fan on the sig

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          • #35
            sign Kris Dielman in FA, along with Fraley and Turdell Sands (DE).

            Trade our 4rth for David Carr. (might take 3rd?)

            RD
            1-Adrian Peterson
            2-Victor Abiamiri
            3-Johnny Lee Higgins
            5-bpa
            6-bpa
            7-Stanley Daughty

            Sounds good to me.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by snazel
              Yes, this line could be fixed through FA. I think our main problems were LG and RT. Davidson was one of the main reasons why Andruzzi continued to start throughout the length of the season. Enter: Dielman, Steinbach, or Dockery in FA. Center is a question, I believe they will resign Fraley or sign Gurode (spelling). RT is currently Kelly Butler's job. Even though Tucker has told Crennel that he will return in '07, who knows what his health status is, so I expect a draft pick project to legitimately contest Butler for the job. While Butler wasn't terrible, he proved that he isn't really starting material at RT and could use some competition. Overall, our major concerns are at LG and RT. LG can be fixed in FA, and RT can either be fixed in FA (sign tra thomas) or within day one of the draft (ugoh/staley/marten). It will be intersting to see how the center issue develops. I'm sure Bentley won't return in '07, but I wonder what Phil will say at his combine presser anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Kalil is drafted rd2 to fill our center void, thus moving Bentley to RG when he returns in '08. Overall, we've got a lot of options to improve it, and surely a draft pick like Quinn or Peterson will not be a "waste".
              Hank Fraley is solid at center and only looked bad because of the people around him, so resigning him would be a good start. Signing a G in FA (preferably Dielman) and drafting Thomas would make our o-line one of the 5 best in the league, even without Bentley. Thomas would move Schaffer to RT where I believe he is a better fit anyway, thus filling our major needs at LG and RT.

              These changes in the o-line will undoubtedly make Frye and Droughns look better, although droughns is getting old. (see my 3rd round pick)

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              • #37
                Signing a G in FA (preferably Dielman) and drafting Thomas would make our o-line one of the 5 best in the league, even without Bentley.
                I really doubt that. Maybe with Bentley, and they all have time to adjust to each other (acouple seasons).


                Its hard to believe Duce McCalister and Droughns are the same age, Drougns has alot less milage, but McCalister isnt going down hill and Drougns is?

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                • #38
                  Question for everyone: I really wanted to get Lavar last year over Willie but that didn't happen. Any chance we make a offer to him this year and get him a little cheaper? I really think he fits the bill of an OLB in the 3-4 and would have another year to learn from Willie.


                  Also I think if we traded for Carr we could use the 3/4 pick for the 8th pick and Carr. That way if 1 of the top QBs are still on the board they could draft them. Also it would seem that we could draft AD still if we are @ 8.


                  thoughts?


                  Thanks to Bosanac01 for the sig.

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                  • #39
                    HAHAHA some kid i know at school bet me $10 that the Browns would draft Jamarcus Russell. :D

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                    • #40
                      I'm going to post my thoughts for our offseason since I've been putting it off for quite some time.

                      First, free agency. We need to acquire a guard, preferably Kris Dielman. Joe Andruzzi is horrid and Dielman is not only younger, but he is a far better player. We would of course bring Fraley back, and I'm not sure yet about Coleman. He's ok, but probably better as a backup.

                      I'd like to see us attempt to sign Nate Clements. I know he wants a lot of money, but we've got money, and he would prevent last season's depth problems from resurfacing. We'd have Clements, Bodden, McCutcheon, Holly, and probably Minter. That sounds good to me. I know we have Baxter, but it's going to be a LONG TIME before he suits up again.

                      It would also be nice to sign a DE. Our run D is atrocious, and we lost quite a few games this year because people ran us over. I personally want Terdell Sands to play DE for us. He's MASSIVE and strong, specializes in stopping the run, and would allow our linebackers more space to roam and make plays.

                      I think these three additions alone would help us greatly going into next year. Note that I didn't say we would be an amazing team, just that these guys would help us get better in areas of need.

                      This is my Free Agency post. I'll put up my draft ideas in another post. I don't want to write my whole offseason in one post.

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                      • #41
                        Ok, now here's my draft ideas. First, this is all hypothetical, so please don't hang me if I bring up an idea that you don't agree with.

                        Assuming we win the coin toss and pick 3rd, a trade may be possible. However, since I don't feel like speculating about draft trades right now, I'll leave trades out for the time being.

                        So, here are a couple draft scenarios that I personally like.
                        #1
                        1st-Adrian Peterson
                        2nd-Joe Staley or Ben Grubbs
                        3rd-DE, maybe Ray McDonald or Ryan Mcbean or something.
                        4th-BPA
                        5th-David Ball, you probably all think I'm crazy, but this guy just plays receiver the way it was meant to be played. He also does something that our receivers seem to have trouble with, holding onto the ball.
                        6th-Stanley Doughty?, apparently we should get this guy? I keep seeing other people wanting us to get him. I dunno, I thought BPA.
                        7th-BPA or Project player

                        This draft would give us a stud RB, someone to block for him, some defensive line help, and a couple of other possible contributors.

                        #2
                        1st-Alan Branch
                        2nd-Joe Staley or Ben Grubbs
                        3rd-Dan Bazuin
                        4th-Kareem Brown or Antonio Johnson
                        5th-David Ball
                        6th-Best OT or OG available (Depending on who was chosen in the 2nd)
                        7th-BPA or Project player

                        This draft is the ultimate in unsexiness. This is not going to bring fans to the stadium, but it beefs up the trenches, and that's where we are the weakest.

                        This is just my first round of draft ideas. I've been writing a thesis paper and haven't been up to date on the latest things with prospects, but once the combine is over I'll post another scenario including possible trades.

                        Please give thoughts, I'd like to bring this board to life.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Oh learned ones...

                          Originally posted by ClevelandDave
                          I've gotta say that I've enjoyed reading all (most) of your stuff, gents. Lots of interesting analysis.

                          Since you all are way ahead of me on the details, I'd like to get your feedback on a few items. Hopefully, you'll make it all clear to someone who's more overview oriented

                          1. I read a piece lately that pins Quinn's poor performance in meaningful games on his team. The old "he had to pass all day 'cause they had no D and his O-line had him hurried against strong Ds" take. Do you think that this situation differs much from what he'd have with the Brownies?

                          2. Are you giving up on Droughns when he had 1,000+ in '05? Do you think he's that degraded in one year or was it the O-line in 2006? With our O-line, would AP have more success than a veteran NFL 1,000 rusher?

                          3. Arguably, our biggest impact player on D is Wimbley. Even if you don't think so for '06, he will be soon. He's all upside. We grabbed him at 13, right? This draft isn't so weak that it's all in the top 5, is it?

                          Most of you want the impact O player, Quinn or Petersen but can this O-line be fixed enough in FA and 1 pick per round that they won't be a waste? Bad O-line = Couch/Green....Good O-line = Kosar-Sipe/Mack-Byner
                          1. There's no question of Brady's talent. Plus there's no way to value being coached by the QB guru Weis. With that said, Brady will be brought in to a place where he has 3 targets; Braylon, the big bodied fast WR that should be breaking out [HOPEFULLY]. The sure handed JJ. The and best TE in the league, K2. Throw in Droughns who is a very capable running back who can get yards. Our defense isn't bad if it didn't have to be put into situations/scoring differentials that it was created by our offense. If we can get the Oline help in FA than Quinn would make a lot of sense. He's good and he'll sell tickets.

                          2.I am not on the Adrian Peterson bandwagon. I'm on Brady's. Droughns was a 1000 yard back in Denver. So many say "that's a bi-product of Denver's system." Then had a 1000 yard season here in Cleveland. Last year you can blame it on injuries, oline, the horrid passing game which allowed defenses to stack the box, the play calling of Carthon, or even Rueban's legal problems. I think he's a good back who will bounce back in '08. That's just my opinion though.

                          3. All drafts have those players that are drafted late and become stars (tom brady 6th round, colston 7th). The talent differental isn't bad depending on the position. The elite guys, are also the elite guys at the weak positions which make their value increase. Branch being the top DT and then a big drop off. Peterson being the best RB with a big drop off (NFL network is saying that Lynch could drop into the second round because of all his problems). There is currently guys available that are very good, but for what we need via the '07 draft is weak in the middle of the round (assuming we are targeting, Oline-Thomas/QB's-Quinn/Russell/HB-Peterson/DL-Branch).

                          Originally posted by jsimmsy21
                          i think we would go after adalius thomas first, if anything since he did get drafted by savage. but, IMO, we wont sign another starting LB this year.
                          Every indication I've read said that Thomas is getting the tag.

                          Originally posted by JoeMontainya
                          Would you give a 4rth round pick for David Carr, to give Frye some competiton?
                          No. I think Frye has enough competition with all the speculation. If we take Quinn/Russell he instantly is fighting with them and most likely lose. If not, he has Anderson on his trail, and all the talk of us passing on Quinn/Russell with the Cleveland Faithful [who seem to give up on players rather quickly] saying, and we missed Quinn/Russell to stay with Frye. With all the talk, he has enough on his plate, and we can use the 4th to draft a real player that could do some help for us. I personally don't like Carr and he doesn't bring in anything new to Cleveland. He doesn't bring a winning attitude that could [sarcasm]carry over in his winning days in Houston[/sarcasm]. Really all he brings is his toughness to take hits and Frye can do that too.



                          MY offseason would go:

                          Davis/Dhiel/Steinbach for guard.
                          Doss singed. Russell let go. p.s. I figure Doss to be a cheap sign since we are his 1st choice and we have money and he is better than Russell, allthough I like Russell.
                          Fraley resigned.
                          Bring in Clements
                          Originally posted by Hail Browns
                          I'd like to see us attempt to sign Nate Clements. I know he wants a lot of money, but we've got money, and he would prevent last season's depth problems from resurfacing. We'd have Clements, Bodden, McCutcheon, Holly, and probably Minter. That sounds good to me. I know we have Baxter, but it's going to be a LONG TIME before he suits up again.
                          Agreed. The depth will not be missed. With DB's of Clements, Bodden, Holley, Brown/Minter/Perry, and Baxtor in '08 at the earliest. Dutch isn't coming back though. Poole could very well be a CB as well.

                          Lastly, get one Dline.
                          Originally posted by Hail Browns
                          I personally want Terdell Sands to play DE for us.
                          Was signed by the Raiders today.

                          Then draft:
                          r1: Quinn/Russell/Peterson/Branch if we trade down.
                          r2: Staley if he's there/abriamri (spelling)/bush if we didn't draft Peterson and are unsure of RD.
                          r3: Bush/Ugoh/Harris if we didn't get Staley.
                          r4: Ramirez/BPA
                          r5-7: BPA.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by RoyHall#1
                            And how do you do the white box thing?
                            They are codes that you put in your text.

                            So you want to quote a paragraph, you copy it, and then paste it to the reply box. In my example this will be called 'text' with text being the paragraph or statement or whatever you want to be put in the white box.

                            You put these series of coding before/after the post. p.s. replace the ( ) brackets with [ ] brackets.

                            (quote)text(/quote)

                            If you want to show who wrote the topic you do this.

                            (quote="the user's name")text(/quote)

                            It's easy once you get the hang of it. Remember that it's really [ ] for the brackets, but i had to use ( ) for this example. If you need more help PM me and I'll try to explain it better.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Hail Browns
                              It would also be nice to sign a DE. Our run D is atrocious, and we lost quite a few games this year because people ran us over. I personally want Terdell Sands to play DE for us. He's MASSIVE and strong, specializes in stopping the run, and would allow our linebackers more space to roam and make plays..
                              Actually Sands was just resigned by the Raiders. I think our next option as far as DE's go is that maybe Kris Jenkins or Cory Redding hit the market. Also, about Carr. There is a rumor floating around that the Browns have already had talks with the Texans about swapping first round picks and picking up another pick and trading Chaun Thompson for Carr. Still in it's "rumor" stages, although I heard more info will come about when the combine rolls around. So regarding the 4th rounder for Carr trade, how would you like swapping Chaun for Carr? I'd do that in a pinch.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by snazel
                                Originally posted by Hail Browns
                                It would also be nice to sign a DE. Our run D is atrocious, and we lost quite a few games this year because people ran us over. I personally want Terdell Sands to play DE for us. He's MASSIVE and strong, specializes in stopping the run, and would allow our linebackers more space to roam and make plays..
                                Actually Sands was just resigned by the Raiders. I think our next option as far as DE's go is that maybe Kris Jenkins or Cory Redding hit the market. Also, about Carr. There is a rumor floating around that the Browns have already had talks with the Texans about swapping first round picks and picking up another pick and trading Chaun Thompson for Carr. Still in it's "rumor" stages, although I heard more info will come about when the combine rolls around. So regarding the 4th rounder for Carr trade, how would you like swapping Chaun for Carr? I'd do that in a pinch.
                                Why Carr? how is he better than Frye?

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