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  • Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
    If McKinney is a weak link for us, then we are in good shape. Seth has been great this year, I love his play as well as the other 4 guys'. Steinbach, Thomas, and Fraley have been the best, but McKinney and Shaffer have done a terrific job too. It only gets better with Ryan Tucker returning this week and LeCharles Bentley returning (from what I hear he WILL play this year) in about 3-6 weeks. The OLine is the strength of this team.
    I think McKinney did have some stupid early penalties against Oakland, and I would also agree that he is the weakest link. I would also agree that if he is the weakest link it just goes to sow how much talent is on this offensive line. Tucker will make the team. Everything I've heard is that LCB will play this year. Our line went from one of the worst in the league [talent wise] to one of the best [talent wise] and we are also creating a mixture of youth and experience along with a deep bench.

    Thomas, Shaffer, Tucker, Steinbach, McKinney, Bentley, Fraley could all be starters elsewhere.

    So far this season, our offensive line has "allowed" 7 sacks. I used allowed loosely since Frye has SOME blame. Against Pitt, we started a rookie LT, a LG that didn't play in most of the preseason or practices leading up to September 9th and an overall new offensive line [3 of the 5 starters] who rarely had all 5 of them together practicing. We went against a blitz happy team and although we did alright we did get burned a few times [Shaffer's slip/fall/getting owned as an example].

    Seriously, if we keep this core of offensive lineman and let them create chemistry together, we will have a DOMINANT offensive line.

    P.S. I tried looking up stats for offensive lineman but I didn't find any. I would be interested in how many pancakes and sacks allowed each player has. Who has been false starting and holding. If anyone knows where they keep track of this

    Let's get some activity going in the Cleveland sub-forum!

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    • Tucker...

      Tucker has been activated...Butler has been waived....not too surprising.

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      • that works, i can live with it.

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        We don't give a DAMN for the whole state of Michigan

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        • You folks watch Fraley today? Definitely needs be upgraded for us to take the next step. I aknowledge that he went against a good NT in Wilfork, but Wilfork looked like superman out there, he had his way with Fraley....and the both OGs really.

          Yeah, we really need LCB on the interior of this line assuming he regains at least 80% form. His 80 is better than Fraley or Mckinney's 110.

          DChess resizing inc.

          Reality is relative.

          We don't give a DAMN for the whole state of Michigan

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          • Originally posted by Freddy G View Post
            You folks watch Fraley today? Definitely needs be upgraded for us to take the next step. I aknowledge that he went against a good NT in Wilfork, but Wilfork looked like superman out there, he had his way with Fraley....and the both OGs really.

            Yeah, we really need LCB on the interior of this line assuming he regains at least 80% form. His 80 is better than Fraley or Mckinney's 110.
            Fraley did have a poor game, but I wouldn't say he's our weakest link. Our right side of the line looked iffy today, and it was clear that Tucker still has some rust on him in pass protection. On the other hand, the left side of our line looks downright FANTASTIC. Joe Thomas is working his way to the pro-bowl in my opinion (yes I'll be pimping this openly all season, lol), and Steinbach is getting to the second level consistently and also looks great.

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            • Look guys, we just aren't there yet but I am seeing some real potential for next year. Anderson isn't the long term answer, he simply has thrown way to many interceptions even in college. If Quinn can become a solid NFL QB by some time next year, we are going to have a sweet offense. When you are solid at LT and Thomas isn't great yet but he has shown glimpses of what he can become, then building a good OL is quite easy.
              No, our defense isn't there yet and the team will have to commit in the next draft or 2 to bringing it up to snuff, but at least for once, we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Loosing to NE away is hardly serious and speaks well for our continued developement.
              And proud of it!!!

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              • You know whats nuts? I was looking at our schedule and if we can stay healthy there are 11 winnable games on that schedule. I mean we win 6 out of those 11 we are 8 and 8 for the year. That is fantastic Lets hope we dont slump and blow it like usual

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                • Originally posted by Ruken View Post
                  You know whats nuts? I was looking at our schedule and if we can stay healthy there are 11 winnable games on that schedule. I mean we win 6 out of those 11 we are 8 and 8 for the year. That is fantastic Lets hope we dont slump and blow it like usual
                  Lets win 8 more.

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                  • Originally posted by Ruken View Post
                    You know whats nuts? I was looking at our schedule and if we can stay healthy there are 11 winnable games on that schedule. I mean we win 6 out of those 11 we are 8 and 8 for the year. That is fantastic Lets hope we dont slump and blow it like usual
                    Realistically, home games are our best shots. We are improving but hardly there yet.
                    And proud of it!!!

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                    • Scott Player was waived. Louis Leonard, a 6'4" 330lb defensive tackle was claimed off of waivers from the rams. Leonard was an undrafted rookie out of Fresno St. Leonard was released from the Chargers and waived from the Rams before being claimed by us.

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                      Jamal Lewis [foot] didn't practice today. He is wearing a protective boot on his strained foot.

                      Jurevicius (knee) practiced on a limited basis Wednesday along with Kellen Winslow (shoulder), Gary Baxter (knees), Charles Ali (toe) and Brodney Pool (thigh).

                      Darnell Dinkins (hand), meanwhile, did not practice.

                      Crennel said Dinkins, a backup tight end and key special teams player, saw a hand specialist earlier in the week and is in a cast.

                      For the Dolphins, three starters -- quarterback Trent Green (concussion), center Samson Satele (neck) and defensive tackle Vonnie Holliday (ankle) -- sat out practice. A fourth starter, defensive end Jason Taylor (neck) was limited.

                      Also sitting out practice for the Dolphins were receiver Derek Hagan (hamstring), safety Travares Tillman (knee), and defensive tackle Rodrique Wright (ankle).

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                      Ryan Tucker saw some time at right tackle in the second half against New England.

                      Shaffer was assured that he is the starter but Tucker may be rotating in at the tackle positions. Tucker is NOT being considered at the guard spots as of now. [Source- ClevelandBrowns.com "line improving"]

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                      Cheap Shots:

                      Harrison and Vrabel are under review for the league for questionable acts that could be conceived as cheap shots against the Browns. [Source- Canton Repository]

                      Let's get some activity going in the Cleveland sub-forum!

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                      • After Tucker's rusty showing he doesn't need to be on the field unless it is garbage time or a huge point differential.

                        I also, just because, i definitely had Louis Leonard in many of my mocks last year. Can't remember if i had in the final or not though...probably not lol. Anyway, LOTS of potential, but had LOTS of injuries hamper is development. I don't expect much, but he does have skills. Not many people are that big and can move like him.

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                        Reality is relative.

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                        • Everyone said we had a tough schedule but looking at it now, the rest of the season doesn't look to be that tough.

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                          • Can't find a link since I read it in the paper, but Bentley won't be coming back after the bye. Romeo has said they're going to take their time. Circumstances have really changed now that the Browns are a playoff contender though, since they'll acutally be playing for something they may want to try as hard as they can to get him back.

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                            • you can also look at this form the other side as well. why would we want to rush him back and mayeb only have him for a game when we could wait till he is fully back to normal and have him for many more years.


                              Sig by jkpigskin , thanks.

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                              • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

                                Cleveland will have an AFL team....

                                Let's get some activity going in the Cleveland sub-forum!

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