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  • #16
    Originally posted by shane_man View Post
    Late last year. Barber was going like a busted asshole and Jones broke for a 60 odd yard gain(run down too)... lol

    Anyway... While it works... DONT FUCKEN FIX IT. Thats all I see in the current situation. Barber comes in for 10-15 plays a game max... FRESH and kills it. Jones doesnt have to handle the entire workload thus he can break down the Defence and Marion comes in to kill it off. This works. We have no guarantees that Marion can keep it up for the entire game(and when hes been forced too... I wasnt that impressed)... and if its working at the moment? Why buy into the possibility when it already works.
    That is exactly why we need to start him now to see what he can do. We must find out if we NEED to draft McFadden next year or not. Julius Jones is GONE after this season. SO why is he still the starter?????

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    • #17
      Originally posted by leroyisgod View Post
      I've been pretty animate about JJ remaining the starter, but MB III is making a very strong case to become the starter. I'd like to see him get 20+ carries in a game and see if he still has a lot of gas in his tank at the end of the games. Right now it's easier for us to say he should start, but will he have that much fire after 20-25 carries and 3-5 catches? The only way to tell is to give him a shot.
      I couldn't have said it any better.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by dc4life View Post
        That is exactly why we need to start him now to see what he can do. We must find out if we NEED to draft McFadden next year or not. Julius Jones is GONE after this season. SO why is he still the starter?????
        People who think that Barber can keep up that level of play over the course of a game are ignorant. Why do you think there aren't other starting RBs in the NFL who do what Barber does? Is he some of once in a lifetime prospect at RB? Maybe you should all look at what Lamont Jordan does in Oakland compared to limited action with the Jets. If Barber was a starter he would be a solid back in the league, but could put nowhere near the same amount of effort into each carry. There is a reason that our running game produces so well the way it's managed.

        Desings by D-Unit

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jdallas View Post
          People who think that Barber can keep up that level of play over the course of a game are ignorant. Why do you think there aren't other starting RBs in the NFL who do what Barber does? Is he some of once in a lifetime prospect at RB? Maybe you should all look at what Lamont Jordan does in Oakland compared to limited action with the Jets. If Barber was a starter he would be a solid back in the league, but could put nowhere near the same amount of effort into each carry. There is a reason that our running game produces so well the way it's managed.
          I'm only saying give him a shot at the starting job and see what he can do. There are running backs who do what Barber does. LT, Steven Jackson, Rudi Johnson, Frank Gore, Larry Johnson continue to truck people every year.They run with purpose. Sure they may not have break out speed (with some exceptions) but they have power, blocking ability, hands, and attitude.

          Am I the only one interested in seeing what Barber can do this year as the starter? I'm not saying he should get all carries. I'm saying he should get the majority of carries to see what he is capable of doing. I honestly can't see Jones being re-signed next year. If Jones is not signed, wouldn't you want to see if Barber can carry the load? It could save you a first round pick on a RB next year which could be used on a DT/DE/CB/WR/S etc. If I'm wrong, by all means, go head and draft McFadden.

          If we keep our rotation of RBs as it is, we will never know if Barber can be that GUY. So if Jones leaves, we end up drafting McFadden and MB3 is expected to sign a long term contract to be his back up? Sorry but I can see a number of teams wanting to sign MB3 to be their featured RB. He's in that same situation Michael Turner is in. Except Turner backs up a Hall of famer, and Barber backs up a mediocre back who wont be rejoining the team.

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          • #20
            Here's my take on the whole Barber situation.

            1) Barber needs more carries. He's been used very cautiously with the reigns held back. I'm not talking about increasing his load ten fold. All I think is that he needs to touch the ball 5-7 more times a game. Enough to stay fresh, yet turn up the gas a little.

            2) The starting RB label is unimportant. I really could care less who started the game. It could very well be Tyson Thompson and I wouldn't have a beef with that. The focus should be on how and when the different RBs are used. That can only be done by the coach's feel on who's hot and who's not. Who's fresh, who needs a break, who's better for that particular play, who wants to be out there more by showing it on the field, etc etc...

            3) We know what Julius Jones is... and it's not that great. Yeah, I think the consensus feels that way and I agree. He's JAG. People need to stop hoping that he's something more. Stop thinking that he will be this different back now that Parcells is gone. Stop thinking that he'll be Superman now that he'll be an unrestricted FA after the season. He is, what he is. Any big run he has is pure luck. He lacks good vision. He lacks cut back ability. He lacks power to break the first hit. He's good in the open field and he's good when he hits a 3 yard open hole. We missed our opportunity to trade him the last 2 years and gain compensation. Now we should just let him walk out of here.

            4) Marion Barber has his own motives. He wants to get paid. ...and deservingly so. If we give him the starting label (which is meaningless, like I said before), and start to fade Julius out of the picture without giving more time to Thompson, then all of a sudden we give him a ton of leverage in contract negotiations. We have to be frugal with our cap with the amount of youth on this team. We don't want to pay him the salary that a full time back commands, so don't play him like one. Barber is an Restricted FA after this season and an Unrestricted FA after the '08-'09 season. He makes a measly $385,000 this year. That is sad. ...but he was a 4th round pick and that's the range for a player picked in that area. This offseason Barber fired his agent and hired.... Drew Rosenhaus. If that's not a telling sign that he wants to get paid, then I don't know what is. Luckily, all signs are pointing that he is seeking an extension asap.

            So basically, I think we should give him a few more plays a game. Keep Julius or Tyson in the rotation. I don't mind if we fade Julius out as long as Tyson is there to step in and keep the committee approach alive. I don't want Barber to become the full time back and think he's worth Willis McGahee money. If we play our cards right, we can keep Barber for a long time at a reasonable cost. If Julius or Tyson don't step up considerably, then RB should be a position of target in the draft.

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            • #21
              RFA means what again? Refresh my memory. If another team offers him a contract, we have to match it to keep him right? Say Hello to poison pills !
              Last edited by dc4life; 09-11-2007, 03:32 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dc4life View Post
                RFA means what again? Refresh my memory. If another team offers him a contract, we have to match it to keep him right?
                Yes. However, we'd be wise to extend him before the start of FA. Like we did with Gurode. FA can be a beast. There are also tags we can hit him with if we don't resign him, in which we receive compensation for the loss.

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                • #23
                  noone is saying barber should get 25 carries a game, and i wouldnt expect him to still run how he does now when he comes off the bench, but your play at some point has to warrant more carries, or more time on the field...whose to say it wouldnt work better starting barber and having jones spell him? i just dont think you can continue to leave someone on the bench as long as we do barber and its obvious he puts 110% into every carry, and he should be rewarded...if anything, we should go every other series, somehow get him the ball more





                  Originally posted by Scott Wright
                  I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                    noone is saying barber should get 25 carries a game, and i wouldnt expect him to still run how he does now when he comes off the bench, but your play at some point has to warrant more carries, or more time on the field...whose to say it wouldnt work better starting barber and having jones spell him? i just dont think you can continue to leave someone on the bench as long as we do barber and its obvious he puts 110% into every carry, and he should be rewarded...if anything, we should go every other series, somehow get him the ball more
                    I think some people ARE saying that.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                      Here's my take on the whole Barber situation.

                      1) Barber needs more carries. He's been used very cautiously with the reigns held back. I'm not talking about increasing his load ten fold. All I think is that he needs to touch the ball 5-7 more times a game. Enough to stay fresh, yet turn up the gas a little.

                      2) The starting RB label is unimportant. I really could care less who started the game. It could very well be Tyson Thompson and I wouldn't have a beef with that. The focus should be on how and when the different RBs are used. That can only be done by the coach's feel on who's hot and who's not. Who's fresh, who needs a break, who's better for that particular play, who wants to be out there more by showing it on the field, etc etc...

                      3) We know what Julius Jones is... and it's not that great. Yeah, I think the consensus feels that way and I agree. He's JAG. People need to stop hoping that he's something more. Stop thinking that he will be this different back now that Parcells is gone. Stop thinking that he'll be Superman now that he'll be an unrestricted FA after the season. He is, what he is. Any big run he has is pure luck. He lacks good vision. He lacks cut back ability. He lacks power to break the first hit. He's good in the open field and he's good when he hits a 3 yard open hole. We missed our opportunity to trade him the last 2 years and gain compensation. Now we should just let him walk out of here.

                      4) Marion Barber has his own motives. He wants to get paid. ...and deservingly so. If we give him the starting label (which is meaningless, like I said before), and start to fade Julius out of the picture without giving more time to Thompson, then all of a sudden we give him a ton of leverage in contract negotiations. We have to be frugal with our cap with the amount of youth on this team. We don't want to pay him the salary that a full time back commands, so don't play him like one. Barber is an Restricted FA after this season and an Unrestricted FA after the '08-'09 season. He makes a measly $385,000 this year. That is sad. ...but he was a 4th round pick and that's the range for a player picked in that area. This offseason Barber fired his agent and hired.... Drew Rosenhaus. If that's not a telling sign that he wants to get paid, then I don't know what is. Luckily, all signs are pointing that he is seeking an extension asap.

                      So basically, I think we should give him a few more plays a game. Keep Julius or Tyson in the rotation. I don't mind if we fade Julius out as long as Tyson is there to step in and keep the committee approach alive. I don't want Barber to become the full time back and think he's worth Willis McGahee money. If we play our cards right, we can keep Barber for a long time at a reasonable cost. If Julius or Tyson don't step up considerably, then RB should be a position of target in the draft.
                      I agree, give him another 5-7 touches per game. Because he needs to keep that fire in his belly. If he loses that, he's an above average back.

                      I'm not completely giving up faith in JJ yet. I'd like to see how he performs the next few weeks against good defenses.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                        I think some people ARE saying that.
                        oh...well he may be great in that role, may not, all i think is his play warrants him getting in the game alot more then he has been, and getting more carries...jones plays mediocre, barber comes in and looks great, and i honestly still cant figure out why jones still gets bulk of carries..


                        everyone says if it aint broke dont fix it, but we could only be seeing 80% of our rushing potential, if we switched the roles on both it could be just as good if not better, id like to see something more along the lines of the pats or colts last yr when they had 2 backs, when you play with the type of emotion barber does, get the crowd in the game and move the chains, you have to reward him for that and get him out there more to see what he does with the opportunity...its just crazy to not put him out there more





                        Originally posted by Scott Wright
                        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                          oh...well he may be great in that role, may not, all i think is his play warrants him getting in the game alot more then he has been, and getting more carries...jones plays mediocre, barber comes in and looks great, and i honestly still cant figure out why jones still gets bulk of carries..


                          everyone says if it aint broke dont fix it, but we could only be seeing 80% of our rushing potential, if we switched the roles on both it could be just as good if not better, id like to see something more along the lines of the pats or colts last yr when they had 2 backs, when you play with the type of emotion barber does, get the crowd in the game and move the chains, you have to reward him for that and get him out there more to see what he does with the opportunity...its just crazy to not put him out there more
                          No, it's not crazy.

                          Desings by D-Unit

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                          • #28
                            Barber outshines again in week 2. Grats, even Tony Romo has more rushing yards than JJ.

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                            • #29
                              I know Julius Jones' problem.

                              Every defender in the league has some sort of "JJ Tractor Beam" that they use anytime he's within five yards. He can't help but run directly into them.

                              If we can find a way to counter these tractor beams, JJ might actually breakout.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BX View Post
                                I know Julius Jones' problem.

                                Every defender in the league has some sort of "JJ Tractor Beam" that they use anytime he's within five yards. He can't help but run directly into them.

                                If we can find a way to counter these tractor beams, JJ might actually breakout.

                                lol, MB3 a 40yard TD WOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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