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  • #16
    Originally posted by Paul View Post
    Don't forget James Davis. I like him alot. Good size and he can shake a few people.
    I left him out because I feel there are others in his tier... Yvenson Bernard, Dantrell Savage, Albert Young

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    • #17
      My Mock Draft

      First of all I would love to state this is a mock factoring in our coaches and FO beliefs.

      OT is not an option day one...we went with two in the middle of last years draft Free showed up and got enough invested into Marten to keep this off the need list. McQ is also our swing guy this year....I just don't see us bringing in a OT early if at all.

      WR. While I would love to have Desean. I just don't think it's happening. We have Crayton who our coaching staff loves. We have Hurd who our coaching staff loves. We have Austin and Stanback as our two projects. We are just so full at WR right now I can't see us bringing in another guy. Although I'm sure everyone here knows I want that shifty guy....its just another want from me it's not happening with our first pick.

      So lets start the mock.

      Cle gives us a top 5 pick and we pick around mid 20's.

      1A) Justin King*, Penn State
      • Height: 6-0. Weight: 186.
        40 Time: 4.34.
        Projected Round: Top 15 Pick.
      We are talking about a guy here who could put up a sub 4.3 40. Now it isn't likely but it could happen. King is the best CB prospect to come out since Newman. He has everything that you want in a corner and can also play special teams. I want this kid baddddddd.

      1B) Chris Long, Virginia
      • Height: 6-4. Weight: 284.
        40 Time: 4.78.
        Projected Round: 1-2.
      I actually like Long more this year than I didn't Carriker last year. Carriker as most of you know I was pretty high on. Long has a non-stop motor and would be a great fit at the end. A lot of this pick depends on the play of Spears and the development of Hatcher. But if Spears continues to be one of the worst DE's in football and Hatcher doesn't emerge as a surfire starter than long is a great fit. Hatcher would still spell the DE position and play inside in the nickel...thats plenty of snaps for the kid. Long would give us a great hard worker on the DL.

      2) Terrance Taylor*, Michigan
      • Height: 6-0. Weight: 310.
        40 Time: 5.05.
        Projected Round: 1-2.
      Taylor is my top NT prospect in this draft. However his stock is on the decline...Michigans defense has been trash and doesn't look to be getting any better. It's somewhat unheard of for players to leave michigan early but with the lack of DT's in this draft it might be a smart choice to come while his stock is still in the first day. Don't get me wrong Taylor is a stud and will be mentioned as a top 5 NT sometime in his career if drafted into a 3-4 defense.

      3) Harry Douglas, Louisville
      • Height: 5-11. Weight: 176.
        40 Time: 4.38.
        Projected Round: 3.
      Douglas is a better prospect than teammate Urrutia. He would give us a deep threat and a nice pair of hands. He set U of L recieving yard records last year. Good prospect who should fall to do the WR depth in this draft.
      Last edited by thule; 09-11-2007, 01:46 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by thule View Post
        My Mock Draft

        First of all I would love to state this is a mock factoring in our coaches and FO beliefs.

        OT is not an option day one...we went with two in the middle of last years draft Free showed up and got enough invested into Marten to keep this off the need list. McQ is also our swing guy this year....I just don't see us bringing in a OT early if at all.

        WR. While I would love to have Desean. I just don't think it's happening. We have Crayton who our coaching staff loves. We have Hurd who our coaching staff loves. We have Austin and Stanback as our two projects. We are just so full at WR right now I can't see us bringing in another guy. Although I'm sure everyone here knows I want that shifty guy....its just another want from me it's not happening with our first pick.

        So lets start the mock.

        Cle gives us a top 5 pick and we pick around mid 20's.

        1A) Justin King*, Penn State
        • Height: 6-0. Weight: 186.
          40 Time: 4.34.
          Projected Round: Top 15 Pick.
        We are talking about a guy here who could put up a sub 4.3 40. Now it isn't likely but it could happen. King is the best CB prospect to come out since Newman. He has everything that you want in a corner and can also play special teams. I want this kid baddddddd.

        1B) Chris Long, Virginia
        • Height: 6-4. Weight: 284.
          40 Time: 4.78.
          Projected Round: 1-2.
        I actually like Long more this year than I didn't Carriker last year. Carriker as most of you know I was pretty high on. Long has a non-stop motor and would be a great fit at the end. A lot of this pick depends on the play of Spears and the development of Hatcher. But if Spears continues to be one of the worst DE's in football and Hatcher doesn't emerge as a surfire starter than long is a great fit. Hatcher would still spell the DE position and play inside in the nickel...thats plenty of snaps for the kid. Long would give us a great hard worker on the DL.

        2) Terrance Taylor*, Michigan
        • Height: 6-0. Weight: 310.
          40 Time: 5.05.
          Projected Round: 1-2.
        Taylor is my top NT prospect in this draft. However his stock is on the decline...Michigans defense has been trash and doesn't look to be getting any better. It's somewhat unheard of for players to leave michigan early but with the lack of DT's in this draft it might be a smart choice to come while his stock is still in the first day. Don't get me wrong Taylor is a stud and will be mentioned as a top 5 NT sometime in his career if drafted into a 3-4 defense.

        3) Harry Douglas, Louisville
        • Height: 5-11. Weight: 176.
          40 Time: 4.38.
          Projected Round: 3.
        Douglas is a better prospect than teammate Urrutia. He would give us a deep threat and a nice pair of hands. He set U of L recieving yard records last year. Good prospect who should fall to do the WR depth in this draft.
        I'd be fine with King with our second pick. I wouldn't want him with a pick in the Top 5. He's got a full season ahead to show us what he's got. Nice "out of the box" mention.

        I don't think Long is a 3-4 DE. I don't think he's got the right frame for the position. That weight you have listed seems awefully generous and that's hardly good enough, imo.

        Taylor is very unknown to me right now.

        Douglas is a system WR. I'm not a fan of his.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Paul View Post
          Posted this in a prior thread.

          Antonio Dixon(Miami Hurricanes, JR)
          6-3 335

          Only a Junior... Dunno if he's the type to declare early. Semi-intriguing prospect.

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          • #20
            What about Frank Okam? He was disappointing last season, but if he can turn into the player he was in his sophomore year he could be a great NT, imo...


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            • #21
              I've been looking into Langford, and the kid sounds like a complete stud. From some different soucres:

              Kendall Langford DL 6'6 294 Hampton



              “Langford is an excellent 3-4 end prospect. He has great size, and is active on the defensive line. He is athletic for his size, and is more than just a run stopper. He uses his size to hold his ground and clog running lanes, but also has the ability to constantly get pressure on the QB and get into the backfield….”
              “First Team All-MEAC selection… started all 12 games at defensive end… led all HU defensive linemen in tackles for the second straight season with 55, which ranked third on the squad… second in the MEAC with 15.5 tackles for loss, helping the Pirates finish second in the country in that category… led the team and was third in the league with career-high eight sacks for -57 yards on the year… also added a forced fumble and a blocked kick….”

              I wish they showed more Hampton games nationally.

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              • #22
                McFadden
                Thomas or Jackson

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Paul View Post
                  I've been looking into Langford, and the kid sounds like a complete stud. From some different soucres:

                  Kendall Langford DL 6'6 294 Hampton








                  I wish they showed more Hampton games nationally.
                  I don't have us taking him in the second round for nothin'. ;) Glad someone took a little bit of time to look into him as a prospect. I didn't get any responses from my mock despite commenting on everyone elses. Thanks. +rep! I don't care if people don't like my picks or do like my picks. Comments are always nice.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                    I'm bound to have a million of these, but it's always fun to start...

                    Round 1a: WR Desean Jackson - I don't usually favor WRs in round 1, but this guy is special and provides excellent returning skills as well.

                    Round 1b: CB Antoine Cason - The need is self explanatory. Of all the CB prospects, I like him best.

                    Round 2: DE Kendall Langford, Hampton - Small school sleeper, bound to rise up draft boards. Somewhere between 6'5" and 6'6", 290-295 pounds of animal. Highly productive and high motor. High motor from the DE position is a key trait in the Phillips 3-4.

                    Round 3: DT Red Bryant - I also like BJ Raji, but I'm unsure how his academic problem will affect his stock.

                    Round 4: RB Ray Rice - I love his compact size, low center of gravity, excellent balance and thunder thighs.
                    I love Desean...but like I said...seems like the FO would be hesitant on this.
                    Cason is a top 20 lock imo....I don't have us pegged at a top 20 draft slot so I think this pick should be changed for realism...but this is very early so take it for what it is.

                    Don't know enough about Langford to knock...safe to say anybody from Hampton is going to have to put together a good offseason to make it in day one.

                    Red Bryant is just another guy imo. He has a nice frame...but we already have that in Remi...give me someone who has a chance to be a top 5 NT. Is there any in this draft...thats yet to be decided. But Bryant doesn't fit that void to me.

                    Rice is a nice back...but I like the JJ MB3 combo better. If you think JJ is gone...I'd still rather address another area and stay with MB3 and Thompson. Only way I can see us passing JJ for FA is if we are going to address it early or feel a replacement is already on the roster.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by thule View Post
                      I love Desean...but like I said...seems like the FO would be hesitant on this.
                      Cason is a top 20 lock imo....I don't have us pegged at a top 20 draft slot so I think this pick should be changed for realism...but this is very early so take it for what it is.

                      Don't know enough about Langford to knock...safe to say anybody from Hampton is going to have to put together a good offseason to make it in day one.

                      Red Bryant is just another guy imo. He has a nice frame...but we already have that in Remi...give me someone who has a chance to be a top 5 NT. Is there any in this draft...thats yet to be decided. But Bryant doesn't fit that void to me.

                      Rice is a nice back...but I like the JJ MB3 combo better. If you think JJ is gone...I'd still rather address another area and stay with MB3 and Thompson. Only way I can see us passing JJ for FA is if we are going to address it early or feel a replacement is already on the roster.
                      You might be right about Cason not being there when we pick. I should rethink that.

                      Langford is just a guy I want to follow closely this year. He did have 9 tackles in his first game this year.

                      Bryant is more than JAG. I've tried to compare stats between him and some other NT prospects and he has been the most active one that I've come across, yet he still is an underrated tackle.

                      Rice > JJ for sure in my book. No question about it. Rice > TT as well. I just love the way he runs.

                      Thanks for the response!

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                      • #26
                        After doing even more research on this years CB class. I think a lot has to depend on which JR. CB's declare. Cason Tribble and Thomas are going to be fighting for that top spot. Cason is obviously the favorite and as long as he is in the 4.4 range he'll likely go first.

                        Tribble doesn't have the size and doesn't play the style of corner we play so I think it's safe to say we'll stay away. He would have to turn in a low 4.4 to go top 20 so i'm not worried there.

                        When talking about senior corners...the only one that makes sense to me in the first at this point is Terrell Thomas. Sure he has been hurt. But two shoulder injuries aren't huge concerns for me with a corner. The knee injury is a bit more concerning but his first round draft status depends on this anyways. This is a guy who if runs in the 4.4's could be around later in the first round if a couple of jr's declare. He also could go ahead of Cason if he runs and tests better than Cason...but the injury concerns probably won't let that happen. This is a guy who really fits Wade's scheme perfectly. But like I said he has to run in the 4.4's to be a option in round one.

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                        • #27
                          McFadden and Cason in the first would be sweet. I know everyone keeps trying to avoid having to take McFadden, but the more i think about it, the more I like the idea of having a game changer around for years to come with a great spell back in MBIII if he stays. Everyone can make more accurate predictions at the end of the year though.

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                          • #28
                            The consensus between everyone here believes that NT, and CB are the two biggest weaknesses of the team. Two of the top three picks should be used on either of the two and the third pick is probably going to be a luxary pick ( RB/WR depending on the value when it is time to select. I took some time to gather up some prospect that imo would be good selections for each of the three top picks.

                            1st RD Considerations in order of Value

                            1. Darren McFadden RB, Arkansas (JR)
                            2. Kenny Phillips FS, Miami (Too much value to pass on)
                            3. DeSean Jackson WR, Cal (JR)
                            4. Steve Slaton RB, West Virginia (JR)
                            5. Antoine Cason CB, Arizona ( must run a good 40 time)
                            6. Jonathan Stewart RB, Oregon (JR)
                            7. Malcom Jenkins CB, Ohio State (JR)
                            8. Aqib Talib CB, Kansas (JR RS)
                            9. Frank Okam DT, Texas
                            10. Zack Bowman CB, Nebraska (INJ)
                            11. Terrell Thomas CB, USC (INJ)

                            ** I eliminated Tribble based on Wade's preference of larger CB's for his defense.

                            2nd RD Considerations
                            1. Terrance Taylor NT, Michigan (JR)
                            2. Red Bryant NT, Texas A&M (SR)
                            3. Ray Rice RB, Rutgers (JR)
                            4. Jamaal Charles RB, Texas (JR)
                            5. Dwight Lowery CB, San Jose (SR)

                            ** Raji is academically ineligible and most likely will red shirt.

                            IMO an additional NT prospect should be drafted in the latter half of the draft or signed as Rookie (FA) to develop depth.

                            Late RND-(FA) NT Prospects
                            1. Kory Robertson NT, Virgina Tech- 6'2 335lbs SR(RS)
                            2. Brandon Johnson NT, Nebraska- 6'3 315lbs SR
                            3. Henry Smith NT, Texas A&M- 6'3 315 lbs SR
                            4. Ropati Pitoitua DT, Washington State- 6'8 295lbs SR (huge frame to add weight to)

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                            • #29
                              Most of people probably won't agree with this a lot of this, but this is my take on a few topics-

                              The only position I want to see with our first pick is CB, assuming the pick is a top 10 and there is a CB of that caliber. That is the only position right now that I think warrants investing that kind of money on an unproven player.

                              DE could creep into that if they don't perform well enough, and if Ferguson retires I wouldn't be against going after Dorsey. He seems to get doubled quite a bit yet still produces, and we shouldn't need a huge NT.



                              If the Cowboys end up picking a RB round 1 I would much rather have Stewart than McFadden. Between Barber and McFadden that would be a lot of money at running back and the plan would most likely be to keep both around for a while, because of Barbers power running. With Stewart it will be a little less money and he is everything Barber is only faster. If we were to go with him we could just give Barber the 1 year RFA contract, and if Stewart shows he is going to be elite, then we let Barber go and use Thompson or bring in another quick back as the backup.

                              I wouldn't count Jones out already though, matter of fact it wouldn't really surprise me to see him stay and Barber leave.



                              Also as far as Kendall Langford I am not sold on him yet. He is a guy that relies on his speed and strength far too much. Doesn't use a lot of moves, mostly uses speed to the outside and bullrushes. He has all the physical ability, just I think he is a project and that isn't really what we need right now.

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                              • #30
                                Justin King below guys like Bowman and Thomas? BTW what makes Jenkings fit as a corner in our scheme.

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