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  • #16
    I wasn't talking about you Burns, although you have been highly critical. I can accept most of what you just said. HOWEVER, how many LBers can really cover in this league? Bradie is going to get beat going up against TEs and RBs (not to mention WRs) because that's what happens when you get a linebacker in coverage! This is not a particular weakness of Bradie, but rather something that comes with the position. He can cover well in short zones and has been playing very intelligently, making his reads and flowing to the ball. Also don't know where you get the idea that he is just average as a pass rusher. From what I have seen he has been terrific. 2 sacks, an oh-so-close miss against Tom Brady on a key 3rd down, and several other pressures so far this year suggest that he is an excellent pass rusher from his ILB position.

    I think that Bradie is on his way to becoming a stalwart for us for a long time, and his play this year has shown that he has a strong future here.

    Ayodele is a different matter. I haven't seen him make one play this whole year. Not a tipped pass, not a big hit, not a TD-saving tackle, not an INT, FF, or FR......nothing. He has really been invisible. Surprising, because he was coming on big time in the second half of last year while Bradie was looking worse and worse. Hard to believe. I wouldn't be opposed to trying Burnett or Carp next to Bradie, but I think we all know that isn't going to happen.
    Originally posted by 21ST
    He was protecting his self
    Originally posted by tjsunstein
    From what? His leg?
    Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
    That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
    "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

    DeMarcus Ware

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    • #17
      I will say the following about this debate. IMHO

      One of the reasons Bradie blitzs more is that he is schemed to do so. Since he does play "in-the-box" pass coverage and stays close to the LOS ... ergo he is free to blitz when he sees the opportunity.

      Ayodele, on the other hand, is better at coverage than Bradie. So he is schemed to play coverge moreso than be the free guy in the blitz. The "Donnie Edwards" of first and second down until personnel changes.

      Regardless, Bradie is not good in zone or anything regarding coverage. but he is making some plays in role. Ayodele to DMW's point (and Burns) is not making any plays.

      Fact is our starting ILB (both of them) make no plays in coverage. When including Roy Williams we compound our weaknesses with coverage schemes.

      3 of the 7 guys with coverage roles (exclude 1 LBer called Ellis) are inept. Hamlin is just OK as a FS. Henry is ok as a CB. Ware is usually the 5th blitzer in spite of being the best cover guy they have at LB.

      You can not expect to play excellent Defense with these personnel conditions. Evidence: New England and the Giants. Evidence last year's collapse. That has been my point and I suspect Burns' point.

      Going forward, I see good teams with good QB simply exploiting this situation until WP makes some personnel changes.

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      • #18
        Ive never understood why you guys don't like James that much. I think he's a great player.

        But Pro Bowl? No, he's not at that level. He's not even the best MIKE in the NFC East.

        Antonio Pierce, and London Fletcher are both playing better than him. But thats taking nothing away from him, because he's having a great season.

        EDIT: I noticed Akin gets alot of grief too. I like him too. Is he really that bad? I like both Bradie and Ayodele.
        Last edited by bigbluedefense; 10-23-2007, 04:08 PM.

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        • #19
          This kind of goes with this thread.


          Does Bobby Carpenter get playing time at ILB, I thought he was going to be good on draft day.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
            Ive never understood why you guys don't like James that much. I think he's a great player.

            But Pro Bowl? No, he's not at that level. He's not even the best MIKE in the NFC East.

            Antonio Pierce, and London Fletcher are both playing better than him. But thats taking nothing away from him, because he's having a great season.

            EDIT: I noticed Akin gets alot of grief too. I like him too. Is he really that bad? I like both Bradie and Ayodele.
            Its not that Akin is bad, but he isn't good. He doesn't do anything to stick out. He came here being touted as a big hitter who could make some plays and force some turnovers and he hasn't. He wraps up and makes the plays that he should make, but I would say he is a bit of a let down from what I was expecting.

            I just thing Burnett could make more game changing plays than Ayodele and just about everytime we send Burnett on a blitz he gets within inches of the QB.

            DMW, maybe I am too critical of James blitzing capabilities, but I am using Burnett as a measuring stick. I guess I have to take into consideration that Burnett Benefits from a 4 man line when he is rushing but he always seems to get in the backfield when he is sent. I think he's probably within inches of having 4 or 5 sacks this season and although they may not show up on the stat sheet he is still forcing the QB to make quick throws which is the next best thing.

            On the question about carpenter -- We're still waiting on that one. To his defense he hasn't been given a fair chance, but it is frustrating to see a first rounder sitting on the side lines. It makes you wonder if maybe he just isn't that good or if he doesn't fit this attacking style of D.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ravens1991 View Post
              This kind of goes with this thread.


              Does Bobby Carpenter get playing time at ILB, I thought he was going to be good on draft day.
              He is more in the mold of Bill Parcells 3-4 then Wade Phillips, say for instance, had we had Wade a year earlier, Manny Lawson over him would of made more sense...I think Carp is still smart and athletic enough to make it happen, but I for one would really love to see him out there in a real game and see if he can make some plays...I think he can cover, its just how he attacks the qb, reads the play and gets off blockers...I hope he gets a chance to suceed or fail with us before we part ways with him, we have given Spears opportunity on end, and Carp has yet to start, says alot about our LB depth, and alot about Carp as well





              Originally posted by Scott Wright
              I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                He is more in the mold of Bill Parcells 3-4 then Wade Phillips, say for instance, had we had Wade a year earlier, Manny Lawson over him would of made more sense...I think Carp is still smart and athletic enough to make it happen, but I for one would really love to see him out there in a real game and see if he can make some plays...I think he can cover, its just how he attacks the qb, reads the play and gets off blockers...I hope he gets a chance to suceed or fail with us before we part ways with him, we have given Spears opportunity on end, and Carp has yet to start, says alot about our LB depth, and alot about Carp as well
                Here here.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  Ive never understood why you guys don't like James that much. I think he's a great player.

                  But Pro Bowl? No, he's not at that level. He's not even the best MIKE in the NFC East.

                  Antonio Pierce, and London Fletcher are both playing better than him. But thats taking nothing away from him, because he's having a great season.

                  EDIT: I noticed Akin gets alot of grief too. I like him too. Is he really that bad? I like both Bradie and Ayodele.
                  My point was not to say that he is going to the Pro Bowl, but rather that he is playing on a level that is commensurate with--or close to--that of what you expect out of a player that makes the Pro Bowl.

                  I think he's been every bit as good as Pierce so far this year, though I would still take Peirce if given the choice between the two, and just a tad behind what Fletcher is doing (when is that freak going to slow down?).

                  As for ever making the Pro Bowl, when you have the likes of Urlacher in your conference, you are not going to make many of them, because one spot is already taken. That leaves everyone else fighting over one more position, which obviously means that deserving players will be left out.

                  Still, among all ILBs this year, I would put Bradie only behind Urlacher, Willis, and Fletcher, and around the same as Barnett and Peirce. Given how reviled he was going into this season, that is an amazing statement by itself.
                  Originally posted by 21ST
                  He was protecting his self
                  Originally posted by tjsunstein
                  From what? His leg?
                  Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                  That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                  "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                  DeMarcus Ware

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
                    Still, among all ILBs this year, I would put Bradie only behind Urlacher, Willis, and Fletcher, and around the same as Barnett and Peirce. Given how reviled he was going into this season, that is an amazing statement by itself.
                    Barnett and Pierce are better. Willis, not so sure, being a rookie.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
                      My point was not to say that he is going to the Pro Bowl, but rather that he is playing on a level that is commensurate with--or close to--that of what you expect out of a player that makes the Pro Bowl.

                      I think he's been every bit as good as Pierce so far this year, though I would still take Peirce if given the choice between the two, and just a tad behind what Fletcher is doing (when is that freak going to slow down?).

                      As for ever making the Pro Bowl, when you have the likes of Urlacher in your conference, you are not going to make many of them, because one spot is already taken. That leaves everyone else fighting over one more position, which obviously means that deserving players will be left out.

                      Still, among all ILBs this year, I would put Bradie only behind Urlacher, Willis, and Fletcher, and around the same as Barnett and Peirce. Given how reviled he was going into this season, that is an amazing statement by itself.
                      Shoot, I liked him last year. The weight loss has definately helped him, but even before that I always liked his game. People just don't understand, you can't ask a run thumping sledgehammer like James to cover people like Gates toe to toe. Thats not happening. But that doesn't make him suck either.

                      He covered his zones well, was great against the run, I never had a problem with him. Now with the weight loss, he's even more fluid in coverage.

                      I personally like Akin Ayodele as well. He's just not a great fit for this new scheme, but he was perfect for BP's system, and people forget that when he was signed, thats what he was brought in for. Burnett brings more to the table in Wade's defense, but with Fergie out, chances are he wants more run cloggers in the middle to make up for it, hence you see Akin and not Burnett inside.

                      *shrug*

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                      • #26
                        Whats the contract situation like for Burnett and Ayodele?? It seems like next year we should see what Burnett and James can do, but that still leaves Carpenter out of the picture, If that happens I dont see why we dont try to get something for him...yes I know he's a great luxury in case something happens, but i just hate to see a 1st rd draft pick sit the bench and play ST until an injury happens or his contract is up and he leaves...id prefer trading him for a late 2nd/early 3rd although I know its likely it doesnt happen...


                        but Im just trying to get a feel for which guys are staying and who are leaving as of next year...guys who are still under contract I guess have to stay so we dont take a hit to our cap





                        Originally posted by Scott Wright
                        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                        • #27
                          Last year, Akin signed a 5 year $17 million deal. ($5 million signing bonus)

                          Burnett signed a 5 year deal in 2005.

                          Thanks BoneKrusher^

                          http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_j52DziMy4 (the man)
                          http://youtube.com/watch?v=2g6S3Anto7c
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                          • #28
                            Heres what Wade had to say about Bradie at the break....


                            Bradie James?
                            James has played outstanding. Hes a leader, hes smart, we are using him more and more. He can make adjustments and call audibles in the game, some guys can do that and you have to call everything for them. We are trying to utilize him more in that way, he can put us in the right defense. Him losing weight and becoming quicker is showing up, hes a good athlete, it didnt show up as much last year. (What about Akin Ayodele in the middle with him?) Bradie has been the dominant player, but we knew that Akin is a consistent player, we saw both were last year, but Bradie has stepped it up more. (Pass coverage?) We use him some, of course first down is nowadays 50/50 pass and run, but well feel comfortable with him in pass coverage. We put him on certain TEs one-on-one this year and he was fine, I was worried about that coming in to the season.




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                            • #29
                              Sounds like pretty good praise for a guy who knows 3-4 LBers...im glad he's playing well, its obvious he's a leader...I dont know much about his coverage skills but from what Wade said he's done fine for what was asked of him





                              Originally posted by Scott Wright
                              I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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