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  • #31
    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    Bobby Carpenter is tricky. His development can be severely hindered over the course of the next 2 years if not handled properly. In BP's scheme, he is a SOLB, in that style of scheme the SAM is asked to play like a Carl Banks/Mike Vrabel type of role.

    But in Phillips scheme, theres almost no distinction between WILL and SAM. Its essentially 2 pass rushing DE/OLBs on the edges. Theyre almost exclusively pass rushers. So in that case, you want Ware and Ellis on the edge, and Carpenter inside. Phillips uses his SILB the way BP uses his SAM. Carpenter is known for having good TE coverage, coupled with the ability to rush the passer and thats the role of the SILB for Wade.

    The problem is, all this moving around will hinder his development. He needs one role, and he needs to work on that one role. So that could be a problem if not handled correctly.
    That's HUGE. Just further solidifies why Carp should play SILB.

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    • #32
      So let me get this straight. Carp should be moved to ILB despite the fact that he's a good pash rusher and Wade uses his SOLB's as pass rushers?

      That's not how I see it at all. Carp is a very good pash rusher and can cover the TE's at SOLB. Wade doesn't send two OLB's on every play. There are many occasions where the SOLB will be covering the TE and or the flats. To me, Carpenter is MUCH more well rounded than Ellis. Ellis is 31 years old and coming off a season ending injury. As far as I'm concerned Ellis shouldn't even be factored in for the coming year. If he's healthy then great, but you can't expect that.

      I see absolutely no reason why Carp should move inside.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
        That's HUGE. Just further solidifies why Carp should play SILB.
        I like how he wouldve been used in BP's scheme. I think thats where he's at his best. He can still work at SAM in Wade's scheme, but he's not as good of a pass rusher as a Greg Ellis.

        The main concern should be his ability against the run at ILB. Its very different from the role he was used to with BP. Now he's gonna have to butt heads with olinemen. Can he do it? We don't know. It worked fine and dandy in SD for Edwards because of Jamal Williams, but Carp doesn't have that anchor in Dallas. He will have to hit the weightroom and get stronger. But he can't get bigger in the process, because that will hinder his coverage skills.

        He has to work on technique and strength while maintaining speed and body weight.

        So like I said, this is very complicated and could have some consequences. But it also could have big rewards. How its handled will be very important. Like I said earlier, the most important piece of this Dallas defense is TC. That will be very important in how this defense develops.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by LSUALUM99 View Post
          So let me get this straight. Carp should be moved to ILB despite the fact that he's a good pash rusher and Wade uses his SOLB's as pass rushers?

          That's not how I see it at all. Carp is a very good pash rusher and can cover the TE's at SOLB. Wade doesn't send two OLB's on every play. There are many occasions where the SOLB will be covering the TE and or the flats. To me, Carpenter is MUCH more well rounded than Ellis. Ellis is 31 years old and coming off a season ending injury. As far as I'm concerned Ellis shouldn't even be factored in for the coming year. If he's healthy then great, but you can't expect that.

          I see absolutely no reason why Carp should move inside.
          I totally agree with you, LSU. You always make good points..
          During the wildcard game (the only one Carpenter started this year) he was putting some pressure.. More than Ware.. He battled down two passes in front of Hasselbeck while rushing him.. So I think that he could be a 10 sacks guy for us, and I also think that in Phillips scheme the OLB will have to cover the RB and the TE too and not only rush the QB everytime..


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          • #35
            Originally posted by LSUALUM99 View Post
            So let me get this straight. Carp should be moved to ILB despite the fact that he's a good pash rusher and Wade uses his SOLB's as pass rushers?

            That's not how I see it at all. Carp is a very good pash rusher and can cover the TE's at SOLB. Wade doesn't send two OLB's on every play. There are many occasions where the SOLB will be covering the TE and or the flats. To me, Carpenter is MUCH more well rounded than Ellis. Ellis is 31 years old and coming off a season ending injury. As far as I'm concerned Ellis shouldn't even be factored in for the coming year. If he's healthy then great, but you can't expect that.

            I see absolutely no reason why Carp should move inside.
            I gotta look at more games then. From what I saw, Phillips came off the edge early and often, and Edwards covered the TE. If Phillips dropped back, it was a soft zone, something anybody could do. He never had man responsibilties with the TE from what I saw. I could be wrong though.

            I agree with everything you said about Carp. The thing is, I don't know if he's a pass rusher first/coverage 2nd type of player. To me he's a great coverage LB who can provide quality pass rushing if called upon. Like a Marcus Washington type. Im not saying you guys should draft a OLB, but with what Wade likes to do, I don't think it would be an entirely bad idea either.

            You make a good point on Ellis. Its tough, you don't know what will happen until Wade gets them in TC and sees what he can do with the pieces he has.

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            • #36
              to quote a earlier post of mine
              Theres no sense in keeping Glenn and Henry together at the same position, with a total of 21 years of NFL experience. And meanwhile(like you said we draft Reggie Nelson to play FS), we have a total of 1 year of NFL experience between Watkins and a rookie safety like Nelson. Does not make sense.

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              • #37
                If Phillips style 3-4 defense is to have two pass rushing OLB's on the outside, then Ware/Ellis makes sense. Then that would even justify drafting someone like Jarvis Moss in the 1st round. Let's face it, Ellis might have 2 more good years in him.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by LSUALUM99 View Post
                  So let me get this straight. Carp should be moved to ILB despite the fact that he's a good pash rusher and Wade uses his SOLB's as pass rushers?

                  That's not how I see it at all. Carp is a very good pash rusher and can cover the TE's at SOLB. Wade doesn't send two OLB's on every play. There are many occasions where the SOLB will be covering the TE and or the flats. To me, Carpenter is MUCH more well rounded than Ellis. Ellis is 31 years old and coming off a season ending injury. As far as I'm concerned Ellis shouldn't even be factored in for the coming year. If he's healthy then great, but you can't expect that.

                  I see absolutely no reason why Carp should move inside.
                  First of all, Carp wouldn't be "making a move" to ILB. He'd be staying there. Secondly, Carp would fare well at SOLB or SILB...perhaps even WILB. We could debate back and forth where he should or shouldn't play, but until Phillips unfolds that info, we're pretty much left to assume. I'm assuming he's staying where he is. You're assuming he's moving to the outside. It's a flip of the coin.

                  Another thing is, we need to be able to generate a pass rush from the middle linebackers and Carp should fare well in doing so.

                  I agree with you on Ellis. That's why I think it needs to be addressed... and the first round is a great place to do it.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Modano View Post
                    I totally agree with you, LSU. You always make good points..
                    During the wildcard game (the only one Carpenter started this year) he was putting some pressure.. More than Ware.. He battled down two passes in front of Hasselbeck while rushing him.. So I think that he could be a 10 sacks guy for us, and I also think that in Phillips scheme the OLB will have to cover the RB and the TE too and not only rush the QB everytime..
                    One game shouldn't determine the career position of a player. How's that for a good point?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                      One game shouldn't determine the career position of a player. How's that for a good point?
                      You're right, but that was the only game he started so far.. And Carpenter played OLB since Ellis went down.. Singleton and Carpenter were playing opposite Ware on the outside.. If I remember right he never played a snap on the inside this year.. He was in the nickel package and alternating series with Singleton on the strong side..


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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                        I gotta look at more games then. From what I saw, Phillips came off the edge early and often, and Edwards covered the TE. If Phillips dropped back, it was a soft zone, something anybody could do. He never had man responsibilties with the TE from what I saw. I could be wrong though.

                        I agree with everything you said about Carp. The thing is, I don't know if he's a pass rusher first/coverage 2nd type of player. To me he's a great coverage LB who can provide quality pass rushing if called upon. Like a Marcus Washington type. Im not saying you guys should draft a OLB, but with what Wade likes to do, I don't think it would be an entirely bad idea either.

                        You make a good point on Ellis. Its tough, you don't know what will happen until Wade gets them in TC and sees what he can do with the pieces he has.
                        I hear that! Donnie has been an amazing coverage LB with range that allowed him to be everywhere... stuffing the run or dropping back in coverage.

                        Exactly why I want him here. He knows the ins and outs of WP's scheme and will be able to be a mentor to our young guys while still being able to play at a high level when he's on the field. He's not young anymore and fitting him in a rotation would be ideal for him. It must come at a reasonable cost however.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bigmac076 View Post
                          Theres no sense in keeping Glenn and Henry together at the same position, with a total of 21 years of NFL experience. And meanwhile(like you said we draft Reggie Nelson to play FS), we have a total of 1 year of NFL experience between Watkins and a rookie safety like Nelson. Does not make sense.
                          That sir, makes absolutely no sense to me. Glenn is our nickel back. Technically a different position than Henry. Secondly, who says you have to even out your NFL experience at every position in order to make sure everything is fine and dandy? That is the worst logic ever!

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                          • #43
                            I agree D-Unit. No offense BigMac, but that is one of the dumbest post I have ever seen.

                            Moving Henry to FS is so stupid. He is one of the best #2 CBs in the league. He is going to stay there. We wouldn't even be talking about this if we had pressure.
                            Last edited by TNewFan41; 03-01-2007, 01:57 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by TNewFan41 View Post
                              I agree D-Unit. No offense BigMac, but that is one of the dumbest post I have ever seen.

                              Moving Henry to FS is so stupid. He is one of the best #2 CBs in the league. He is going to stay there. We wouldn't even be talking about this if we had pressure.
                              oh because your the master of dumb posts right?!?!?! HAHAHAHA

                              oh wait... you are.

                              Listen my main reasoning for moving Henry over is because hes taller and great coverage skills. You never read that part.
                              Last edited by bigmac076; 03-01-2007, 02:44 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by TNewFan41 View Post
                                I agree D-Unit. No offense BigMac, but that is one of the dumbest post I have ever seen.

                                Moving Henry to FS is so stupid. He is one of the best #2 CBs in the league. He is going to stay there. We wouldn't even be talking about this if we had pressure.
                                Henry top #2 corner in the league? No thank you. He is a great player but he is not that good. I think moving him to FS is the better move if we get a Corner, He had knee problems and therefore had trouble in man to man. I think Henry can be the cover guy we need to help Roy up top. IMO Henry isn't lockdown enough as much as he gets thrown at, if he were the best #2 then no one would have any passing TD's against us except for deep in zone over the middle.

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