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  • #16
    Anybody that believes there is a better SS on our team or in the draft than Roy needs a bump on the head.

    Sure, his play has dropped off, and he has been put in bad coverage situations, but that doesn't mean there is someone better available.

    Hamlin is better in coverage, but is horrible as a SS in run support.

    Roy needs to make an improvement this year, but at the same time, our coaches need to do a better job in keeping him out of one on one situations.

    With Reeves gone, this should make the biggest difference. With Reeves being such a weak link, and injuries to Newman and Henry, we were put in some bad defensive positions last year.

    Roy was by FAR, not the problem. Could he play better? Sure. When you have poor CB depth and injuries, it will expose your safeties.

    The addition of PacMan and/or a draft pick CB, plus the possibility of the improved play of Ball, should make the difference in our secondary.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by SweatThePipe View Post
      Anybody that believes there is a better SS on our team or in the draft than Roy needs a bump on the head.

      Sure, his play has dropped off, and he has been put in bad coverage situations, but that doesn't mean there is someone better available.

      Hamlin is better in coverage, but is horrible as a SS in run support.

      Roy needs to make an improvement this year, but at the same time, our coaches need to do a better job in keeping him out of one on one situations.

      With Reeves gone, this should make the biggest difference. With Reeves being such a weak link, and injuries to Newman and Henry, we were put in some bad defensive positions last year.

      Roy was by FAR, not the problem. Could he play better? Sure. When you have poor CB depth and injuries, it will expose your safeties.

      The addition of PacMan and/or a draft pick CB, plus the possibility of the improved play of Ball, should make the difference in our secondary.
      Roy was horrible in run support this last year. He used to get a pass because he would create huge gamechanging plays, he hasn't done that lately and is no longer worth the liability.

      Desings by D-Unit

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      • #18
        Originally posted by SweatThePipe View Post
        Anybody that believes there is a better SS on our team or in the draft than Roy needs a bump on the head.

        Sure, his play has dropped off, and he has been put in bad coverage situations, but that doesn't mean there is someone better available.

        Hamlin is better in coverage, but is horrible as a SS in run support.

        Roy needs to make an improvement this year, but at the same time, our coaches need to do a better job in keeping him out of one on one situations.

        With Reeves gone, this should make the biggest difference. With Reeves being such a weak link, and injuries to Newman and Henry, we were put in some bad defensive positions last year.

        Roy was by FAR, not the problem. Could he play better? Sure. When you have poor CB depth and injuries, it will expose your safeties.

        The addition of PacMan and/or a draft pick CB, plus the possibility of the improved play of Ball, should make the difference in our secondary.


        You have no idea what your talking about...Hamlin is terrible in run support as a SS? Where did you come up with this from, or are you just throwing out random statements that you cant prove...


        Funny you called Reeves the weaklink, well coaches disagree, we had TWO weak links and that was Roy AND Reeves, its been documented many different times, on nflnetwork, nfllive, and darren woodson pointed it out on cowboys shows how horrible Roy was in coverage(not man to man, just simple zone coverage) and how the defenses keyed on him and went after him...So lets not direct the blame to 7th rd pick Reeves, Roy was by far more in charge of huge passing plays...


        and there isnt a better SS in the draft??? Dont know what world you have been living in honestly, but you should watch more game tape instead of assuming your way off base...We could take 3-4 safeties in this draft who could play better then roy, what plays has he made lately?? Im tired of hearing we have to do a better job of fitting him in, and putting him in better situations, we have a SS that we have to cater to and adjust our defense around so we can mask how bad he sucks...Roy's time is up here, he's already been takin out of passing downs for next year, his role is basically diminished as is, so no matter who we bring in he wont be full time starter...And im pretty sure we take a safety before round 4.





        Originally posted by Scott Wright
        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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        • #19
          Roy made it a habit of taking bad angles on tackles this year, leading to those horse collar tackles he's so fond of. So if his tackling and run support are his saving grace, he is hanging on by thin thread.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SweatThePipe View Post
            Anybody that believes there is a better SS on our team or in the draft than Roy needs a bump on the head.

            Sure, his play has dropped off, and he has been put in bad coverage situations, but that doesn't mean there is someone better available.

            Hamlin is better in coverage, but is horrible as a SS in run support.

            Roy needs to make an improvement this year, but at the same time, our coaches need to do a better job in keeping him out of one on one situations.

            With Reeves gone, this should make the biggest difference. With Reeves being such a weak link, and injuries to Newman and Henry, we were put in some bad defensive positions last year.

            Roy was by FAR, not the problem. Could he play better? Sure. When you have poor CB depth and injuries, it will expose your safeties.

            The addition of PacMan and/or a draft pick CB, plus the possibility of the improved play of Ball, should make the difference in our secondary.
            Hamlin is twice the safety Roy is in all facets of the game. He even had more big hits than Roy did last year as well..

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            • #21
              I've never heard of a defensive back who had to be removed on passing downs. Seriously, you can't make that kind of thing up.
              Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Geo View Post
                I've never heard of a defensive back who had to be removed on passing downs. Seriously, you can't make that kind of thing up.
                Nor have i heard of DE's removed on passing downs, or vice versa
                or TE's or running backs on 3rd down just to block.

                oh wait..

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                • #23
                  That's cute.

                  But ultimately wrong. We're talking about the secondary, the last line of defense on the field, and the defensive area most responsible for pass defense. It's one thing to have a bigger DE to play the run on 1st and 2nd downs, or a blocking TE to help pass pro and the running game, than a defensive back who can't cover a tree stump.

                  Personally, I hope Dallas keeps him on the roster, if only to prevent them from getting better.
                  Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Geo View Post
                    That's cute.

                    But ultimately wrong. We're talking about the secondary, the last line of defense on the field, and the defensive area most responsible for pass defense. It's one thing to have a bigger DE to play the run on 1st and 2nd downs, or a blocking TE to help pass pro and the running game, than a defensive back who can't cover a tree stump.

                    Personally, I hope Dallas keeps him on the roster, if only to prevent them from getting better.
                    Exactly, they're the last line of defense, and most responsible for the passing of the other team. So if you know that a player's strengths really aren't in coverage, and you KNOW the other team is gonna pass, why wouldn't you want to substitute him for a better coverage guy?
                    It's the same concept and logic for putting Robert Mathis in on 3rd downs.
                    Dude's the size of a LB, he's a hell of a pass rusher, but a liability in the run defense, so he doesn't play the run, and he plays when they pass.
                    It's not different at all

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                    • #25
                      While he's occassionally subbed for with Josh Thomas, Robert Mathis has been playing all downs for the last two years. He plays beyond his size against the run, surprisingly, although obviously it's best to sub for him when possible to keep him as fresh as possible.

                      If the Cowboys draft a strong safety, he'll play the run and the pass, plus he'll be fast enough to play special teams.
                      Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Geo View Post
                        While he's occassionally subbed for with Josh Thomas, Robert Mathis has been playing all downs for the last two years. He plays beyond his size against the run, surprisingly, although obviously it's best to sub for him when possible to keep him as fresh as possible.

                        If the Cowboys draft a strong safety, he'll play the run and the pass, plus he'll be fast enough to play special teams.
                        Well i'm sure he plays admirably against the run seeing his size, but in an ideal world, i'm sure your DC wouldn't want Robert Mathis playing every down on defense.

                        I don't see how doing that is any different than subbing out Roy Williams in
                        pass coverage.

                        If they draft Kenny Phillips or DaJuan Morgan, then i guess the writing is in fact on the wall regarding Roy's stay here, but until i see that, i'm not gonna
                        be quick to say that he's as good as gone. He's gonna get a chance to prove himself again for two big reasons.

                        1. He's shown he's capable of being an All-Pro safety. He still has his glimpses now and then, and if he sheds 10 or 15 lbs, he might get there again, and..
                        2. Cutting him would pretty much put the Cowboys over the cap. There's still a lot of signing bonus that needs to be paid.

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                        • #27
                          How good did Hamlin play SS in Seattle?

                          Like s**t.

                          Proof positive.

                          Roy did horrible in run support? He was 2nd on the team in tackles and 1st in solo tackles.

                          So, who's making stuff up now?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SweatThePipe View Post
                            How good did Hamlin play SS in Seattle?

                            Like s**t.

                            Proof positive.

                            Roy did horrible in run support? He was 2nd on the team in tackles and 1st in solo tackles.

                            So, who's making stuff up now?

                            Who cares if he is first on the team in tackles. Do you know how many of those tackles were a result of him letting people catch the ball in front of him and then tackling them?

                            How many of those tackles were behind the line of scrimmage?

                            How many of those tackles came as a result of the defense not being able to get off of the field due to bad coverage extending drives by Williams/Reeves?

                            He sucks. Using stats to manipulate his performance won't work. Watch the guy play and you'll see a liability.

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                            • #29
                              zero TFL for ole' Roy Boy IIRC

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SweatThePipe View Post
                                How good did Hamlin play SS in Seattle?

                                Like s**t.

                                Proof positive.

                                Roy did horrible in run support? He was 2nd on the team in tackles and 1st in solo tackles.

                                So, who's making stuff up now?
                                I cant believe you can say Hamlin played like **** but Roy played great for us, nice analogy There is no need in arguing with you, its well documented how bad Roy was last year, its well documented that he cannot cover anyone and he was a liability in the run as well, its well documented that his playmaking aka big play ability is diminished, as in he doesnt do that anymore...Its silly to defend him with useless arguments, he has to be apart of this team because of his contract size, thats the only thing buying him any playing time right now.





                                Originally posted by Scott Wright
                                I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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