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    It's slow around here so I thought I would bring up the fact that the writing is on the wall for the end of Roy Williams days in Dallas.

    It is being reported that a long term deal for Ken Hamlin is being worked out, and while a deal may not be close to getting done right away, both sides are working towards the same thing.

    We also saw the draft board that had 2 safeties on the cowboys big board for DB's in the top 5.

    So This means Ken is in our future and we are possibly thinking about drafting a safety early. This should mean the end for Roy Williams.

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    Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
    It's slow around here so I thought I would bring up the fact that the writing is on the wall for the end of Roy Williams days in Dallas.

    It is being reported that a long term deal for Ken Hamlin is being worked out, and while a deal may not be close to getting done right away, both sides are working towards the same thing.

    We also saw the draft board that had 2 safeties on the cowboys big board for DB's in the top 5.

    So This means Ken is in our future and we are possibly thinking about drafting a safety early. This should mean the end for Roy Williams.
    I don't think they're gonna be so quick to pull the trigger.
    Don't forget he was given a hefty contract extension two years ago and he still has 3 or 4 years left on it i believe, so that's a lot of signing bonus that needs to be accounted for. With the cap situation as it is, it would pretty much put them over the cap to release him right now, all things constant.

    I think there's gonna be a lot of tweaking done to that board we saw, and we might even see a trade up if they're that in love with DRC as most believe they are. I'd actually like that to happen, i don't really like the prospects of just sitting at 22 and hoping and praying Mike Jenkins is the last man standing at CB.

    It's very obvious that if he does get to play this year, this is THE year where
    he has to show that he's worth the money he's being paid, or he's getting the proverbial ax.

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    • #3
      He has been horrid for some time. That writing has been a long time coming.

      Sooner we cut him the sooner we become better.

      He has flat out gotten worse since college.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bobindallas View Post
        He has been horrid for some time. That writing has been a long time coming.

        Sooner we cut him the sooner we become better.

        He has flat out gotten worse since college.
        How the heck did he get worse since college?
        He was one of the best safeties in the league the minute he stepped
        on the field his rookie year. His play was on par with anyone else's at his
        position for the better part of his first 3 years in the league.

        He got fat, overly aggressive, and he lost tackling technique due to
        the constantly bad play he had. You could say he lost work ethic
        but i don't think there's any doubt that he earned his pro bowl status
        his first years in the league.

        I believe he can play that way again, he just needs a fire lit under his ass.
        With his back and contract against the wall, i think he can do that
        this year. A lot of players skills deteriorate once they cash in with
        a contract, and i think that's what happened here.
        Luckily, NFL contracts aren't all guaranteed, so he better get his act
        straight if he wants to keep earning enough money to afford living
        in that nice house of his.

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        • #5
          You can find an UDFA who can play better than he can.

          Dallas dumping him is the equivalent of losing dead weight. Practically additon by subtration, it makes them a better team.
          Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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          • #6
            He'll definitely be around this year.

            But next year he'll be gone.

            I wouldn't be surprised to see us work in a Rookie (if drafted) and bench him if his play continues to suck.

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            • #7
              The one thing that irritates the heck out of me, is when its apparent that he f'ed up, but blames others and acts as if he did no wrong.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                He'll definitely be around this year.

                But next year he'll be gone.

                I wouldn't be surprised to see us work in a Rookie (if drafted) and bench him if his play continues to suck.
                Kenny Phillips is mighty tempting, but I for one still want to see what Pat Watkins can do. I'm really curious to see where he takes his game now, with a couple years under his belt and some significant time on the field. A guy with his size and athleticism doesn't come around very often at the position, so let's just hope the mental side of the game has caught up with the measurables.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Paul View Post
                  Kenny Phillips is mighty tempting, but I for one still want to see what Pat Watkins can do. I'm really curious to see where he takes his game now, with a couple years under his belt and some significant time on the field. A guy with his size and athleticism doesn't come around very often at the position, so let's just hope the mental side of the game has caught up with the measurables.
                  Yeah, I feel you on Watkins but Phillips seems like one of those guys that will be the "I can't believe 30 teams passed on this guy." He and Hamlin could be awesome.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                    How the heck did he get worse since college?
                    He was one of the best safeties in the league the minute he stepped
                    on the field his rookie year. His play was on par with anyone else's at his
                    position for the better part of his first 3 years in the league.

                    He got fat, overly aggressive, and he lost tackling technique due to
                    the constantly bad play he had. You could say he lost work ethic
                    but i don't think there's any doubt that he earned his pro bowl status
                    his first years in the league.

                    I believe he can play that way again, he just needs a fire lit under his ass.
                    With his back and contract against the wall, i think he can do that
                    this year. A lot of players skills deteriorate once they cash in with
                    a contract, and i think that's what happened here.
                    Luckily, NFL contracts aren't all guaranteed, so he better get his act
                    straight if he wants to keep earning enough money to afford living
                    in that nice house of his.
                    You could make the argument that maybe he was never as good as his hype. When did he play his best for Dallas? His first two years, right? And the other safety was Darren Woodson--IMO one of the best to play the game. Just like Bob Sanders does for Indy now, he made everyone around him better. It's no coincidence that the defense that was one of the top-rated in the league in 2003 tanked in 2004 when he went out. I think Roy Williams was a big beneficiary of Darren Woodson's talent and leadership.

                    Also, good point about him blaming others when he screws up. I'll bet his teammates have noticed, too. It was very telling that no player came to his defense when he got suspendend for blatantly horse-collaring McNabb after so many warnings.

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                    • #11
                      Am I the only one who thinks that he could thrive on the right team? I'd still like him to be a Giant if he were able.


                      Originally posted by Halsey
                      I don't have to watch it to know it was not interesting.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FinChase View Post
                        You could make the argument that maybe he was never as good as his hype. When did he play his best for Dallas? His first two years, right? And the other safety was Darren Woodson--IMO one of the best to play the game. Just like Bob Sanders does for Indy now, he made everyone around him better. It's no coincidence that the defense that was one of the top-rated in the league in 2003 tanked in 2004 when he went out. I think Roy Williams was a big beneficiary of Darren Woodson's talent and leadership.

                        Also, good point about him blaming others when he screws up. I'll bet his teammates have noticed, too. It was very telling that no player came to his defense when he got suspendend for blatantly horse-collaring McNabb after so many warnings.
                        If you can make the argument that he was never as good as his hype, i'd sure like to hear it. Woodson played with him for two years, and not much was expected of Williams as far as coverage went. Go look at the tapes of his games from 02-05. He was everywhere on the field, making big hits, and big interceptions. I'm not gonna say he wasnt a beneficiary of Woodson's talent, because the whole team was, not just Roy.
                        When Woody retired, they asked more of him in coverage, which ended up showing light to his weaknesses. Anthony Henry was then signed, stabalized the CB position a little, and he went back to Pro Bowl form. Everyone is saying on how he kept blaming other people this year, when HE took the load of the blame, every single time someone got open for a touchdown, and never said a thing for about two years. People forget easily who he was playing alongside for a long while, and that's Keith Davis, Pat Watkins, Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones. Aside from Watkins, guys that dont' start in 25 of the other NFL teams.

                        Look at my first two posts and you'll see that i'm in no way saying that he's still a great player, because he isn't. At this point he's like a boxer that's trying to swing so hard that he telegraphs his punches. He runs so fast and tries to hit so hard that he takes bad angles and over-pursues. His coverage skills are greatly deteriorated, but he CAN still be a play-maker. I think with his back against the wall this year, because everyone knows this is his last year if he plays like that, it just might give him enough will power to start playing like he once did. He needs to shed weight, watch film and clear his head, because i wouldn't be surprised if a big reason why he's failing now is because his noodle isn't functioning.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Turtlepower View Post
                          Am I the only one who thinks that he could thrive on the right team? I'd still like him to be a Giant if he were able.
                          That's the frustrating thing. If Roy would just lose 15 or 20 lbs, I think you would see a lot of that playmaking return.
                          In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                          -Douglas MacArthur

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                          • #14
                            If he does turn it around, I think it needs to be elsewhere. A change of scenery can do a lot for some players and I think that is his only chance. The fans don't want him in Dallas, he doesn't have any confidence playing here. He's fat and hes gotten used to Jerry letting him do what he wants.

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                            • #15
                              His departure is long overdue, he is getting paid WAY too much to play as bad as he does, unfortunately due to his contract size we were stuck with him but im pretty sure every knows he is gone and we need some type of safety replacement...I have been saying all off season Roy is getting moved out of the picture, Hamlin will be resigned(otherwise bringing him in last year was pointless and I felt we wanted him here to stay all along), and we have been looking at plenty of safeties, I was thinking mid rd but obviously they front office is looking at that position sooner...Morgan is a thought depending on where he goes, my point is that just because Roy is here I dont think he stops us from taking a safety, it might come to where he sits the bench majority of the time at some point in the year, but we wont continue to put him out there only to have him get beat and then proceed to point and yell at the rest of the secondary.





                              Originally posted by Scott Wright
                              I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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