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  • #16
    Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
    I think JJJ888 put it well.

    There's no question Parcells left this roster in much better shape than when he got here. But he also had some busts, as everyone does.

    The point I was making (and you may never be able to prove this because no one would talk on the record) that I've heard Parcells has overruled the scouting department on players during the draft. I heard someone that is associated with the organization say, I believe it was Spagnola on the Ticket, that Rogers was not the only player that happend.

    As for Parcells scouting evaluations, he does not spend all of his time scouting talent. The Dallas Cowboys (as does everyone in the NFL) spend huge sums of money to hire people to do this professionally 12 months a year. The point this person was making is that Parcells watched a fraction of the file the "professional" scouts had and forced the Rogers pick over the recommendations of the scouting department.

    And don't be a smartass. You couldn't make me look stupid if I had the worst day of my life and you had your best. ;)
    Basically, you're saying the point that you're trying to make is that Parcells has overruled some selections in the war room. OK. Not much of a point, but ok.

    Is that point leading somewhere? What's the significance? Like do you mean to say all of his overruling decisions are bad? Cause if not, then you're point is meaningless once again because it's not much of a point. It's like saying BP has made some good decisions and some bad decisions... who doesn't? What's the significance of that point?

    Or do you mean by saying that, that it's a one way street? That BP rules the war room?.... and no matter what others say it's always his final say? Are you saying you don't think it goes both ways? That BP never gets overruled either?

    Or are you trying to tell us that BP is the only coach to do something like that around the NFL? Like it's not his right to overrule the scouting dept on occassions? Like it's tyrany! "How dare he! Shh... hey guys, this is top secret...BP overruled picks and not just Jacob Rogers.... ssshhh... I've heard this happens, but no one will leak it... I can't believe Parcells has the nerve!" LMAO!

    The way you sound in your post is like BP has this evil overruling presence in the war room that's so secretive that no one wants to divulge info about it. Isn't it common practice? Doesn't it go back and forth? Don't some coaches have more say in some picks and less in others?

    I don't know what you're point is... Please, explain.

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    • #17
      I've heard lots of talk (The Ticket, local sportscasters, newspaper guys, etc.) about how domineering Bill was. No big secret here, but what really seems to jump out to me, if you read between the lines, is how condecending and demeaning he can be. He has been condescending and demeaning to his own assistants. The bottom line is that Bill is a piece of dung as a human being. He likes to rip the media, but certainly doesn't mind getting a media payday when he wants to take a rest from coaching. He's a hypocrite and an a-hole.

      As for other coaches, sure I don't doubt that other coaches have done similar things.

      The way you sound in your post is like BP has this evil overruling presence in the war room that's so secretive that no one wants to divulge info about it. Isn't it common practice? Doesn't it go back and forth? Don't some coaches have more say in some picks and less in others?
      I have nothing here but heresay and "read between the lines media reports" but, yes, I think he was a tyrant. He was paranoid and unmaliable.

      And let me say this, I think he is very overrated as a coach. He was a missed FG away from not winning one of his SBs. I think he was a very good defensive coach and a pretty good personel guy, and that's about it. I think he rode LT's coat tails a bit, and frankly, got somewhat lucky.

      I realize that there's not much fact here, mostly anecdotal, but these are my opionions and I think there's enough info out there on the guy to support my position.
      In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


      -Douglas MacArthur

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      • #18
        I have to disagree with the BP theories. I think he had some busts like any other coaches do. I also think he hit some on the head. And, when we mention BP overruling the scouting department to get someone like Rogers, do we also allow for the possibility that the scouting department suggested players like Johnson, Whitley, Pettiti, etc? I mean if he listened to his scouting department and the draft didn't go well do you STILL blame BP? What about an overrule that BP did that worked out? Do we know if he overruled the scouting department to draft Ware? What about Witten?

        You see, that's the problem with listening to the ticket (Who btw have a VERY anti BP bias, and always have) or to reading the DMN or whatever. You never know the truth.

        As for BP being condescending to the media and a hippocrite...Did you watch his press conferences? He was always available for questions and he is one of the few coaches that didn't give just 'coachspeak' answers. He actually gave insight to why he did what he did. Did he get aggravated at the media that was trying start melodrama and not talk about actual football? Of course, but then again, he should have.

        The bottom line is that it's impossible to 'score' how many he got right or how many he got wrong. You can only 'score' the organization as a whole, you can't 'score' Jerry Jones or BP or the scouting department without all the facts.

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        Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
        I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.

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        • #19
          I think your points are valid. Unless someone went public, it would be virtually impossible to determine what picks were "Bill's picks" and which one's were not. As I said, much of my thoughts are some reading between the lines based on what I've heard and read.

          I was as happy as anyone when he came here, but I just can't defend the guy. He treats people badly; not just the media. There is no way you can defend that aspect.
          In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


          -Douglas MacArthur

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
            I think your points are valid. Unless someone went public, it would be virtually impossible to determine what picks were "Bill's picks" and which one's were not. As I said, much of my thoughts are some reading between the lines based on what I've heard and read.

            I was as happy as anyone when he came here, but I just can't defend the guy. He treats people badly; not just the media. There is no way you can defend that aspect.
            You sound like the kind of person that just reads what you want to read. Believes what you want to believe. You'll justify your point of view without fact, but mere hearsay and what ifs... without taking into account the whole picture, actual circumstances or factors involved.

            If BP was such a tyrant, why did Jerry want him back? Why does he maintain good relationships with his former coaches? Why do players respect him so much? Why does the media respect him so much?

            You hate the guy as if he did something personal against you, yet don't have facts to justify your feelings. He turned our franchise around and you should be grateful for the shape our team is in. Despite his expectations to win now, he did not ever have a "win now" team. Instead, he built a team with the potential to have long term success and because he was so good at it, he raised the expectations from everyone around and like spoiled little children who only want more and more and don't get what they want, they cry... they fuss... they say I hate you... Logic is thrown from the window and they only see what they want to see.

            Parcells has never gotten fired. He's never left the team in worst shape than when he got it. He always did better than his predecesor and what he did for the Cowboys is what he's always done.... from turning the team around, to acquiring and developing young talented players, to finding and developing successful coaches, to restoring respect back to a franchise who lost it.

            Anybody who can't respect that doesn't deserve an opinion.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
              You sound like the kind of person that just reads what you want to read. Believes what you want to believe. You'll justify your point of view without fact, but mere hearsay and what ifs... without taking into account the whole picture, actual circumstances or factors involved.
              So what justification do you have for him to treat everyone around him like crap?

              If BP was such a tyrant, why did Jerry want him back?
              Because he didn't want to go through the process. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't.


              Why does he maintain good relationships with his former coaches?
              Some he does and some he does not.


              Why do players respect him so much?
              Some do; some do not. I did say he was a great defensive coach. I just think he lost his fire. Plus, he's an a-hole. I can live with the a-hole part if you're winning.

              Why does the media respect him so much?
              That's a good question. I think they're somewhat afraid of him. They're intimidated and he built a reputation with his pals in the NY media and that carries weight.

              You hate the guy as if he did something personal against you, yet don't have facts to justify your feelings.
              There are facts. I've told you Spagnola made comments about his treatment of people at the ranch. The media throughout the metroplex has cited examples of this troughout his time here. As I said, that's all well and good if you are winning.


              He turned our franchise around and you should be grateful for the shape our team is in.
              I've already said this.


              Despite his expectations to win now, he did not ever have a "win now" team. Instead, he built a team with the potential to have long term success and because he was so good at it, he raised the expectations from everyone around and like spoiled little children who only want more and more and don't get what they want, they cry... they fuss... they say I hate you...
              I've already said the team is in better shape than when he came. I just expect more from the coach of the Dallas Cowboys.


              Logic is thrown from the window and they only see what they want to see.
              So it's too much to ask the guy to be a decent human being?


              Parcells has never gotten fired. He's never left the team in worst shape than when he got it. He always did better than his predecesor and what he did for the Cowboys is what he's always done.... from turning the team around, to acquiring and developing young talented players, to finding and developing successful coaches, to restoring respect back to a franchise who lost it.
              So did his teams in Dallas under or over achieve?

              I would argue his first year they overachieved, but ever since, they have underachieved.

              Anybody who can't respect that doesn't deserve an opinion.
              Again, I have pretty high expectations for the coach of the Best franchise in teh NFL and arguably all of professional sports.
              In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


              -Douglas MacArthur

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              • #22
                Who are you referring to about people he's treated like crap? He's a hard core coach and that's apart of what's made him successful. If you're not performing on the field or not doing your job right, why should he coat criticism with roses? Same goes to the media when they try to manipulate him into getting a sound bite. Don't be so naive as to think that they don't do that. The Media aren't exactly the most respectable people out there. Their job is to make news.

                Don't tell me Jerry wanted BP because he wanted to avoid the process and some other baloney. ...and your some do, some don't excuse about players and coaches respecting him falls heavily in my favor as the majority of them are on the respect side... The only guys that don't respect him are the guys that can't live up to his expectations that he has for them.

                Don't tell me the NY Media carries all his weight. They ripped him for becoming coach of the Cowboys.

                Year 1 - Overachieved
                Year 2 - Overachieved... Are you kidding me? Do you remember that roster?
                Year 3 - Neither underachieved or overachieved.
                Year 4 - Between Bledsoe and an undrafted FA QB... I'd say we overachieved.

                What absolutely kills me is the way you say... "I just expect more from the coach of the Dallas Cowboys." and "Again, I have pretty high expectations for the coach of the Best franchise in teh NFL and arguably all of professional sports."

                That is exactly the type of spoiled little child mentality that I spoke of in my previous post. One day when you grow up, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                  Who are you referring to about people he's treated like crap? He's a hard core coach and that's apart of what's made him successful. If you're not performing on the field or not doing your job right, why should he coat criticism with roses? Same goes to the media when they try to manipulate him into getting a sound bite. Don't be so naive as to think that they don't do that. The Media aren't exactly the most respectable people out there. Their job is to make news.
                  He's a jerk. Being a hard coach is one thing; being a jerk is another.


                  Don't tell me Jerry wanted BP because he wanted to avoid the process and some other baloney. ...and your some do, some don't excuse about players and coaches respecting him falls heavily in my favor as the majority of them are on the respect side... The only guys that don't respect him are the guys that can't live up to his expectations that he has for them.
                  Again, I don't have a problem with an "old school coach".

                  Don't tell me the NY Media carries all his weight. They ripped him for becoming coach of the Cowboys.
                  He has a core group of that NY media that are his race track buddies and they are thick as theives.

                  Year 1 - Overachieved
                  agree

                  Year 2 - Overachieved... Are you kidding me? Do you remember that roster?
                  6-10 is overacheiving?

                  Year 3 - Neither underachieved or overachieved.
                  I could agree with that although I thought they finished very weak getting blown out by Wash and losing at home to St. Louis.

                  Year 4 - Between Bledsoe and an undrafted FA QB... I'd say we overachieved.
                  This team wilted again at the end of the season for the third year in a row. I don't buy the Romo is rookie FA stuff. He had a great year and was not the reason they floundered. The defense is supposed to be Bill's specialty and he stiffled the defense. This team grossly underachieved this year.

                  What absolutely kills me is the way you say... "I just expect more from the coach of the Dallas Cowboys." and "Again, I have pretty high expectations for the coach of the Best franchise in teh NFL and arguably all of professional sports."

                  That is exactly the type of spoiled little child mentality that I spoke of in my previous post. One day when you grow up, you'll understand what I'm talking about.
                  I am neither a child nor spoiled. You, sir, have made these post personal and you've come across as a pompus ass. Just because you have 16,000 posts does not make you the supreme being of football.
                  In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                  -Douglas MacArthur

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                  • #24
                    Only thing I care to reply on there is:

                    1. 6-10 in year 2 is overachieving when you have Quincy Carter's sudden dismissal, Vinny Testaverde as your starting QB, Julius Jones late season appearance, Terry Glenn going down for the season, only half your DL is NFL caliber, old LBs, and a secondary of Pete Hunter, Lynn Scott, Tony Dixon and Lance Frazier.

                    2. Year 4 - If not for Tony Romo coming to the rescue our season wasn't looking good under Bledsoe. What Parcells did by benching Drew was something that a lot of people didn't want, including myself. I thought it was giving up on the season. We really started clicking until Ellis went down. But overall, I think we overachieved considering we dumped our starting QB... and usually teams don't fare well with new QBs stepping in.

                    3. I'm sorry.

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                    • #25
                      As far as Parcell's attitude goes, he's an Army guy. I think that explains a lot.

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                      • #26
                        Parcells treats people the same as Landry treated people, the same as Shula treated people, the same as Chuck Knoll treated people.

                        Watch any of the 'America's Game' series that NFL has been running all offseason. Watch how Landry treated players. Watch how Jimmy Johnson treated players. Watch how Jimmy Johnson used the media to 'OUT' players and Jerry Jones. Watch how Jimmy Johnson was going to quit after the 93 season because 'he wanted to do something different' ((These are in his own words in the America's game '93 Cowboys addition)).

                        How does BP treat the media poorly? He's much better with the media than Bill Belichik.

                        The bottom line is that BP is a genius when he wins and a goat when he doesn't. So, the common denomenator is his attitude. Since that's the same in either instance, it can't be the reason he's a genius or goat because it hasn't changed. The difference is the Winning. So......in conclusion he's a great coach when he wins and if he doesn't he's not. Must be the Winning that is the difference.

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                        Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                        I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.

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                        • #27
                          We all know I have a bias towards BP, so I'll stay out of this convo.

                          I will say this however, because it upsets me whenever someone brings it up.

                          The 1990 New York Giants.

                          BP was lucky? How so? Because they missed a field goal? Maybe they were lucky that our QB AND starting RB got injured, and they got the oppurtunity to face us in the SB with a backup qb and 40 year old RB? How come no one ever remembers that?

                          We beat the 49ers in the NFC championship game 15-13. We lost to them during the season 7-3. That was the same exact team as the 89 49ers, player for player. The 89 49ers are the best offense ever imo. We held them to 7 points, and 13 points in our two meetings with them the following year. Not too shabby.

                          And like I said, everyone forgets that we did this with our BACKUP QB and RB. And no, that backup wasn't named Tom Brady. It was Jeff Hosteddler.


                          JEFF HOSTEDDLER. He won a freakin SB with Jeff Hosteddler. And a RB who ran probably a 5.5 40 that year.

                          If we had Simms and Hampton for the season, it wouldn't even be close. We wouldve destroyed the Bills. So everytime a Bills fan complains, I don't want to hear it. They had every oppurtunity to beat us. We were by no means, 100%, yet they still lost. So we didn't get lucky at all. Who knows, if we were healthy, maybe that team would be viewed a little differently historically because they wouldve been alot more dominant that year with Simms and Hampton.

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                          • #28
                            I simply think that the 90 NYG team may be the best coaching example in the modern era. Now, some of that is Bill Sr. and some is Bill Jr (some is even Tom Coughlin).

                            But, the bills won their two games prior to the super bowl in the playoffs by scoring over 90pts in two games. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The Giants beat them with a back up QB, Back up RB and set a record for time of possession in a Super Bowl.

                            Designs by Thule



                            Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                            I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by LSUALUM99 View Post
                              Parcells treats people the same as Landry treated people, the same as Shula treated people, the same as Chuck Knoll treated people.
                              I haven't read much on Shula or Knoll, but I would strongly disagree with Landry. Landry could be tough at times like all coaches, but don't even compare Parcells as a man to Landry. Parcells fails miserably in that comparison.


                              How does BP treat the media poorly? He's much better with the media than Bill Belichik.
                              Belichik is a jerk, too. Coinscidence?

                              The bottom line is that BP is a genius when he wins and a goat when he doesn't. So, the common denomenator is his attitude. Since that's the same in either instance, it can't be the reason he's a genius or goat because it hasn't changed. The difference is the Winning. So......in conclusion he's a great coach when he wins and if he doesn't he's not. Must be the Winning that is the difference.
                              I would never attach the word genius to any football coach.

                              Look, Parcells has had some great moments as a coach. I never said he was a total bum as a coach. I just think some in the football world and media bow a little too quickly to the Parcells altar.
                              In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                              -Douglas MacArthur

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                                Only thing I care to reply on there is:

                                1. 6-10 in year 2 is overachieving when you have Quincy Carter's sudden dismissal, Vinny Testaverde as your starting QB, Julius Jones late season appearance, Terry Glenn going down for the season, only half your DL is NFL caliber, old LBs, and a secondary of Pete Hunter, Lynn Scott, Tony Dixon and Lance Frazier.
                                But wasn't this basically the same team that went 10-6, but with an upgrade at QB? I would argue 6-10 is about where they should have been. Probably where they should have been the year before, also.

                                2. Year 4 - If not for Tony Romo coming to the rescue our season wasn't looking good under Bledsoe. What Parcells did by benching Drew was something that a lot of people didn't want, including myself. I thought it was giving up on the season. We really started clicking until Ellis went down. But overall, I think we overachieved considering we dumped our starting QB... and usually teams don't fare well with new QBs stepping in.
                                There's no question the Romo move took guts.

                                I also agree the Ellis thing hurt, but every team has that. The Eagles lost their best pass rusher last year. With the talent they had on defense, there is no excuse for their late season failure. The team lacked any heart and passion. There is no excuse to get drilled by NO & Philly at HOME with so much on the line. Losing is one thing, but they weren't even competitive.

                                3. I'm sorry.
                                No prob. I don't mind the back and forth. We can all learn something from each other. It's when it get personal that it's counterproductive.
                                In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                                -Douglas MacArthur

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