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  • #61
    So when does Bob's idiotic commentary constitute trolling?

    He's walking a fine line if you ask me lol.

    Anyway, Parcells does deserve credit for some of the success that we've had and the players that have been brought in, but to look at him like if he's an almighty being who knows everything about football is a tad much. It's very easy to forget all the horrible personnel moves he made when you only look at the successful ones right?

    The 04 draft was a complete misery. We traded out to pick up an extra first, which we used for Ware, but we totally ate it with our other pick, so what the hell use was the extra one we brought in?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
      The 04 draft was a complete misery. We traded out to pick up an extra first, which we used for Ware, but we totally ate it with our other pick, so what the hell use was the extra one we brought in?
      The picks we got from BUF that year actually turned into Julius Jones and Marcus Spears. Not Ware.

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      • #63
        Can we put something to rest here. I will always be a Cowboys fans. I will always root for the team. Not sure why saying the GM is a fool, but the Owner is great, bothers so many. But yeah, I will root for every player with a star on his helmet.

        As GM, I don't see anything positive Jones has done. As Owner he brought in Johnson and Parcells. I have followed this team since '75 and before many of you where even an afterthought on this earth.

        Notwithstanding, the decisions being made, time-in and time-out, by this GM are horrid. Why in gods green earth most fans always try to find the silver lining to every decision that is made is beyond me and a suspension of analytical reasoning.

        So back to mediocrity soon enough but I would be the first to happily eat my pride if we go all the way.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
          So when does Bob's idiotic commentary constitute trolling?
          Have I insulted anyone?

          I see no reason why I should be insulted.

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          • #65
            Let me go on board also as saying I was not a fan of Coach Parcells. I don't like his ILB profile in the 3-4. I don't like his passing game or game management. I don't like the 2-Deep Coverage schemes that predominated his mindset.

            GM Parcells is amazing though. He might be the best GM I have ever seen. No one so consistently builds teams and talent.

            With respect to his OL drafting -- he wiffed in 2004 and it really hurt but do we forget Gurode and our current RT?? Proctor is still here. Spears no but Ratliff, Hatcher, Bowen yes.

            You always make mistakes on players but you should never make mistakes on personnel strategy. You have an entire offseason to tweak that. I have never bashed the players he drafts per se. I know these guys are talented.

            To me it is like a cook, you never make a mistake on ingredients even if you screw up the dish itself.
            Last edited by bobindallas; 04-29-2008, 03:58 PM.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Paul View Post
              The picks we got from BUF that year actually turned into Julius Jones and Marcus Spears. Not Ware.
              I believe JP Losman = Julius Jones and Marcus Spears.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                Just move on to something else other then Jerry's incompetence and Roy Williams, thats all your post are ever about.............
                We had a debate on Stanback just recently.

                Would you like to discuss Carpenter or Burnett? How about Pacman? How about Romo's mechanics? TO's getting old? Bradie James being too slow? DWare hand usage on pass rushing situations? Use of safeties in a 3-4 v 4-3?

                Please pick a subject and I will but right now Draft is the subject. And Jerrah ran it (to the ground again).

                I talk about plenty of Cowboys football that ignores Williams and Jones but in one case (Jones) he is an important subject to discuss and in the other .... well case closed .. he needs to move on.

                Wanna talk Longhorns football?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Paul View Post
                  The picks we got from BUF that year actually turned into Julius Jones and Marcus Spears. Not Ware.
                  I know one of them was used for Jones, but i'm pretty sure that the Bills didn't go over .500 to get down in the early 20's with J.P Losman playing quarterback for them.

                  Double-check it cause i'm pretty sure they gave us the pick we used for Ware.


                  Edit - Never mind, i looked it up and we did go 6-10 that year. My fault.

                  So me being wrong only worsens an already horrible draft.
                  We got pretty much squat out of that draft.
                  Last edited by MetSox17; 04-29-2008, 04:09 PM.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                    I know one of them was used for Jones, but i'm pretty sure that the Bills didn't go over .500 to get down in the early 20's with J.P Losman playing quarterback for them.

                    Double-check it cause i'm pretty sure they gave us the pick we used for Ware.
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft (2005 NFL Draft)
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_nfl_season (2004-2005 NFL Season)

                    Bills 9-7 and Cowboys 6-10 (Vinny Testaverde era)

                    20. Dallas Cowboys(from Buffalo) - Marcus Spears

                    Booyaka-SHA!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Paul View Post
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft (2005 NFL Draft)
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_nfl_season (2004-2005 NFL Season)

                      Bills 9-7 and Cowboys 6-10 (Vinny Testaverde era)

                      20. Dallas Cowboys(from Buffalo) - Marcus Spears

                      Booyaka-SHA!
                      Already corrected it.

                      No need to booyakasha anyone.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by bobindallas View Post
                        I believe JP Losman = Julius Jones and Marcus Spears.
                        How about Parcells' move to pass on Steven Jackson because of his man crush on Julius Jones?

                        That draft was just crap. Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Bruce Thornton, Sean Ryan, Nate Jones, Jacques Reeves... if not for lucking out on Crayton, we'd be talking about the worst draft in history. I remember hating that draft at the time and to this day, the same rings true.

                        Parcells was with us for 4 years and only 2 of those years actually meant anything.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                          How about Parcells' move to pass on Steven Jackson because of his man crush on Julius Jones?

                          That draft was just crap. Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Bruce Thornton, Sean Ryan, Nate Jones, Jacques Reeves... if not for lucking out on Crayton, we'd be talking about the worst draft in history. I remember hating that draft at the time and to this day, the same rings true.

                          Parcells was with us for 4 years and only 2 of those years actually meant anything.
                          Yep. That's what i was saying earlier.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by bobindallas View Post
                            Let me go on board also as saying I was not a fan of Coach Parcells. I don't like his ILB profile in the 3-4. I don't like his passing game or game management. I don't like the 2-Deep Coverage schemes that predominated his mindset.

                            GM Parcells is amazing though. He might be the best GM I have ever seen. No one so consistently builds teams and talent.

                            With respect to his OL drafting -- he wiffed in 2004 and it really hurt but do we forget Gurode and our current RT?? Proctor is still here. Spears no but Ratliff, Hatcher, Bowen yes.

                            You always make mistakes on players but you should never make mistakes on personnel strategy. You have an entire offseason to tweak that. I have never bashed the players he drafts per se. I know these guys are talented.

                            To me it is like a cook, you never make a mistake on ingredients even if you screw up the dish itself.
                            Parcells didn't draft Gurode, Columbo or Proctor. Parcells is a great at getting the most out of players, but his drafts are very hit or miss as well.

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                            • #74
                              More draft grades from BTB,

                              Mel Kiper – B+

                              Pete Prisco – A

                              Rick Gosselin – B

                              The Star Ledger – B-

                              John Czarnecki – A-

                              Charean Williams - B+

                              Football’s Future - A

                              Sporting News - B+

                              For my own personal grade, I'd give it a B. I like Felix Jones and think he'll add instant speed to the offense and will upgrade our special teams. Mike Jenkins was great value at #25 and is insurance for Pacman and a step towards building a younger secondary for the future. I'm not thrilled with Martellus Bennett in the second round, he's a great athlete but not enough production for me and thought we could fill the spot of a second TE later. Tashard Choice is a solid pick with good value at that spot although I'm not sure Dallas needed to go for a 2nd RB at that spot. Orlando Scandrick adds another piece to an upgraded secondary and flashes excellent speed. Erik Walden felt like a reach in the 6th round and will be a project, maybe not the best use of that pick.




                              The greastest team of all time...The OKLAHOMA SOONERS!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

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                              • #75
                                Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says that Terry Glenn (knee) has a "50-50" chance to start this year.
                                Another vote of confidence. Glenn, who turns 34 in July, was limited to one appearance in 2007 due to a knee injury. He'd seem a poor bet to play 14-16 games this year, but Dallas' medical staff knows more than we do. Glenn will compete with Patrick Crayton in camp. Ideally, Crayton would man the slot.

                                per rotoworld.com

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