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  • #16
    He's a raw, but immensely talented kid. They'll have basically a freebie year. If they have to depend on him this year for anything more than dime packages, then yes, they are likely in trouble. But, next year is when he'll matter a bit more, and if Roy gets moved, and Anthony gets slid to FS, then your CB depth charts could be fine, saving the necessity from reaching for someone.

    Overall, it was a fine pick. At that point, targeting talent is more important than targeting need.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by bobindallas View Post
      Well, I think Kiper had him as a second rounder and he was as highly valued by some as Justin King. Did grade the second fastest corner.

      So, I suspect he was considered starting potential by most. I read somewhere he had a little criminal record which hurt him and that he should have gone back to finish up and learn.

      In terms of pure athletics, neither Ball nor Oglesby are in the same league.
      What I was trying to say was...if the value wasnt on the board, I'm sure they were satisfied or conent w/ Ball and/or Ogelsby...and perhaps we would have selected a different position. It was a very good value pick but, it wasn't a "need" anymore, not if he is only going to be your 5th/6th guy. It was still a good pick, though.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
        I've seen him look lost trying to defend Hawaii's passing attack, so if anyone, maybe it was my remarks that coop was talking about. The value was fine, his numbers are good, but his play on the field is what caused his fall. Let's not be mistaken here... he's a fast guy, but he's got A LOT to learn about being a corner and his instincts suck. I would've preferred to use the pick in another direction.

        I wonder how Dallas fans will feel when Jerry starts to believe so much in this year's offseason rehaul of the CB position, that he let's Newman walk away.
        They aren't that stupid and have stated just as much.

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        • #19
          A team mate of mine is his cousin. My teammate is a lineman so its funny to see how differently they are built



          Sig thanks to Bonekrusher

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          • #20
            Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
            I wonder how Dallas fans will feel when Jerry starts to believe so much in this year's offseason rehaul of the CB position, that he let's Newman walk away.
            I've kinda seen this coming, and have commented on it a few times. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we try to low-ball Newman. Not enough to where he'll consider signing, but just enough to where we won't look like idiots to the fans.

            Honestly, i wouldn't feel comfortable giving a 30 year old CB a 25+ million dollar signing bonus, which is what Newman no doubt will be looking for. If Mike Jenkins can prove that he can be a #1 corner, and Adam Jones shows enough promise to start, then we might do that.

            I don't think we'll lose him for nothing though, we'll franchise him, offer him a decent contract, then trade him away for ransom. There's no way that he'll play for the franchise tag.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
              What I was trying to say was...if the value wasnt on the board, I'm sure they were satisfied or conent w/ Ball and/or Ogelsby...and perhaps we would have selected a different position. It was a very good value pick but, it wasn't a "need" anymore, not if he is only going to be your 5th/6th guy. It was still a good pick, though.
              Maybe they hate Ball and Ogelsby? So maybe it was a 'need?"

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                I've kinda seen this coming, and have commented on it a few times. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we try to low-ball Newman. Not enough to where he'll consider signing, but just enough to where we won't look like idiots to the fans.

                Honestly, i wouldn't feel comfortable giving a 30 year old CB a 25+ million dollar signing bonus, which is what Newman no doubt will be looking for. If Mike Jenkins can prove that he can be a #1 corner, and Adam Jones shows enough promise to start, then we might do that.

                I don't think we'll lose him for nothing though, we'll franchise him, offer him a decent contract, then trade him away for ransom. There's no way that he'll play for the franchise tag.
                .... yet Jerry lets boy-Roy continue to collect checks in spite of surplus SS candidates.

                FWIW, I would not pay him either but I would not do so based on his age. Franchise him, get the extra juice and let him walk. Should have done this to Flo this year and basically set Free up for 2009.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bobindallas View Post
                  .... yet Jerry lets boy-Roy continue to collect checks in spite of surplus SS candidates.

                  FWIW, I would not pay him either but I would not do so based on his age. Franchise him, get the extra juice and let him walk. Should have done this to Flo this year and basically set Free up for 2009.
                  What the hell does this have to do with Roy? He's collecting his paychecks because if we cut him it would hurt the team more than help. Who are you gonna bring on for that extra roster spot?

                  Roy Williams is at least talented and can play special teams very well. His salary cap hit is what has prevented any removal from this team, not his play, so please, hold on to your random comments.

                  And for the record, Terence Newman will NOT play under the franchise tag. EVER. Write it down, memorize it, whatever you want to do to remember, but i'll wrestle a grizzly bear before Terence Newman plays under the franchise tag.

                  I don't doubt that we tag him if he plays out this year under this contract, but it'll be just to hold his rights to try and sign him to a contract that makes sense for us, or to trade him. He'd be an idiot if he played under the tag, and i'm sure his agent knows that. At his age, a lot of teams will already be scared to give that much money to him, so why would he go another year, risking injury and tire wear?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                    What the hell does this have to do with Roy? He's collecting his paychecks because if we cut him it would hurt the team more than help. Who are you gonna bring on for that extra roster spot?
                    I would sign Charlie Waters. But I was making a point about him possibly shoving off Newman while keeping lard ass Williams. Shows injustice in its truest form.

                    Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                    Roy Williams is at least talented and can play special teams very well.
                    That is exactly what I want my $10MM safety for. Special teams. And what talent does he have, running around in circles while the TE runs in for a TD? Or better yet, smashing into his own teammate b/c he is 1 second too late for a tackle.

                    Roy is anything but a talented SS at this point. He is a big fat guy who blames others for his failures but is around b/c of a mistake contract.

                    Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                    His salary cap hit is what has prevented any removal from this team, not his play, so please, hold on to your random comments.
                    Would be interested to know exactly the Cap hit at this point.

                    Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                    And for the record, Terence Newman will NOT play under the franchise tag. EVER. Write it down, memorize it, whatever you want to do to remember, but i'll wrestle a grizzly bear before Terence Newman plays under the franchise tag.

                    I don't doubt that we tag him if he plays out this year under this contract, but it'll be just to hold his rights to try and sign him to a contract that makes sense for us, or to trade him. He'd be an idiot if he played under the tag, and i'm sure his agent knows that. At his age, a lot of teams will already be scared to give that much money to him, so why would he go another year, risking injury and tire wear?
                    So we are not franchising Terence b/c Terence won't play? Where have I heard that threat before ..... oh yeah every year 3-4 players who need their game check to support their lifestyle.

                    TNew will play and will do so in order to make more money than any grown man should for a game.

                    Notwithstanding, I would not give TNew a contract beyond 2 years. Once your body goes past 30 it can go any minute now.......
                    Last edited by bobindallas; 05-01-2008, 07:52 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                      What the hell does this have to do with Roy?
                      Nothing at all, but he cannot make a post in a thread without referencing it back to Roy at some point, argue with him then Jerry gets thrown under the bus too lol...That's why he stays on my ignore list, only time I read his comments are when he gets quoted.


                      As far as Scandrick goes, I have him a B for the selection, great value, very fast, and he has a chance to develop before getting thrown out there...If we can have alot of man cover corners, it helps Wade dial up some different blizes that he wasn't able to do with Reeves in the slot.
                      Last edited by LonghornsLegend; 05-01-2008, 07:58 PM.





                      Originally posted by Scott Wright
                      I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by bobindallas View Post
                        I would sign Charlie Waters. But I was making a point about him possibly shoving off Newman while keeping lard ass Williams. Shows injustice in its truest form.

                        Well, let's see, let's break it down for you Bob, since you're obviously having a hard time with it. Terence Newman after this year = No contract. Roy Williams after this year = Yes contract. Comprende?


                        That is exactly what I want my $10MM safety for. Special teams. And what talent does he have, running around in circles while the TE runs in for a TD? Or better yet, smashing into his own teammate b/c he is 1 second too late for a tackle.

                        Well when you're forced to eat dead-money, you might as well make him do something. I'd rather have him play special teams while his cap hit lowers, than have him on the sidelines holding a clipboard and looking at pictures

                        Roy is anything but a talented SS at this point. He is a big fat guy who blames others for his failures but is around b/c of a mistake contract.



                        Would be interested to know exactly the Cap hit at this point.

                        He signed a 5 year, 25.2 million dollar deal with 11.1 signing bonus. That makes the salary cap hit for bonus money 2.75 million for every year of that deal. He's got three left so that would be 8.25 million directly onto the Salary Cap if he were to be released. Hefty price for a team with little cap room to begin with

                        So we are not franchising Terence b/c Terence won't play? Where have I heard that threat before ..... oh yeah every year 3-4 players who need their game check to support their lifestyle.

                        TNew will play and will do so in order to make more money than any grown man should for a game.

                        Notwithstanding, I would not give TNew a contract beyond 2 years. Once your body goes past 30 it can go any minute now.......

                        Well like i said, bring me a bear and i'll tackle that sucker down if Newman plays on the tag. I'd rather use the tag on Barber. He'll be a URFA also, and he will hold more value to us. IF Newman gets the tag, what incentive does he have playing for it, knowing that they're gonna dump him once the season is over? Agents are smarter than that.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                          That's why he stays on my ignore list, only time I read his comments are when he gets quoted.

                          Well aren't you a lucky one. lol. And don't worry, he's having a Jerry moment in another thread here. Which reminds me, i need to go hand him his ass over there as well.

                          P.S.

                          Congratulations to me on my 1000th post. It's been a great time :D

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                          • #28
                            So the Roy hit would be 2.75MM right? What are the annual figures?

                            B/c you need to amortize the bonus to even out the annual numbers I think.

                            If that is the case, I am sure the bonus was already amortized and what would be left is very little ASSUMING his slary goes from low to high like most contracts.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                              Which reminds me, i need to go hand him his ass over there as well.
                              LOL. Now that is funny. Rah-rah-rah!!!!!!! I love Jerry!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
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                                You just contradicted yourself....

                                I say TNew plays regardless b/c all players do. I can't remember 1 player sitting out a season due to the franchise tag.

                                What is you position again? He won't play and sit out if tagged?

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