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  • #31
    Originally posted by bobindallas View Post
    You just contradicted yourself....

    I say TNew plays regardless b/c all players do. I can't remember 1 player sitting out a season due to the franchise tag.

    What is you position again? He won't play and sit out if tagged?
    How did i contradict myself?

    I said Newman won't play on the tag because he has no incentive to (besides the salary). He's gonna lose market value after he plays one more year, and he was very roughed up this past year as far as injuries. Who knows when he'll aggravate that foot injury again.

    A Pro-Bowl CB in his prime, ready to be over the proverbial hill, with a possibly re-curring foot injury playing for one year, with his financial security completely insecure afterwards?

    That'll work out perfectly for him, right?

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    • #32
      WOW Boobindallas doesnt like Roy or Jerry??? Hmmm who knew:p




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      • #33
        Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
        How did i contradict myself?

        I said Newman won't play on the tag because he has no incentive to (besides the salary).
        Yep. No incentive to besides the what, eight million dollars?

        I wouldn't get out of bed for eight million dollars. A giant contract with sixty million dollars I will never ever ever ever ever see? Hells yeah. But eight million garunteed, nfw.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Crickett View Post
          Yep. No incentive to besides the what, eight million dollars?

          I wouldn't get out of bed for eight million dollars. A giant contract with sixty million dollars I will never ever ever ever ever see? Hells yeah. But eight million garunteed, nfw.
          Of course right, because all a player has to look forward to is one years' salary, correct??

          I can't comprehend how you all can try to justify a player of his caliber, taking everything into consideration, playing under a franchise tag.

          What about after that year? What about all the risks that come along with playing under a one year contract?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
            Of course right, because all a player has to look forward to is one years' salary, correct??

            I can't comprehend how you all can try to justify a player of his caliber, taking everything into consideration, playing under a franchise tag.
            Eight million dollars?

            As for all Newman having to look foward to is one year's salary, yeah, because there is so much job security in NFL contracts.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Crickett View Post
              Eight million dollars?

              As for all Newman having to look foward to is one year's salary, yeah, because there is so much job security in NFL contracts.
              Why play for 8 million when you can get 25+ guaranteed, elsewhere??

              He's got at least 2 years in him to play at an elite level, so that alone, with a new contract after next season, will get him somewhere between 28-32 million dollars.

              You play for 8, and lose market value, risk injury, which is very possible given what type of injury he has had, and you put at risk all that money.

              Now tell me, why in the hell would you play for 8 million dollars then?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                Why play for 8 million when you can get 25+ guaranteed, elsewhere??

                He's got at least 2 years in him to play at an elite level, so that alone, with a new contract after next season, will get him somewhere between 28-32 million dollars.

                You play for 8, and lose market value, risk injury, which is very possible given what type of injury he has had, and you put at risk all that money.

                Now tell me, why in the hell would you play for 8 million dollars then?
                Because teams realize at his age, he has 2 years in him to play at an elite level. Last year Nate Clements got an 8 year 80 million dollar deal. At age 27. DeAngelo Hall got a similar deal at 25. Why would Newman get that deal at 30?

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                • #38
                  How much would Roy count against the salary cap if he was cut?

                  I want an answer from someone who knows. No guesses please.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                    How much would Roy count against the salary cap if he was cut?

                    I want an answer from someone who knows. No guesses please.
                    Well unless you talk to someone who's with the team or has some sources from the team, good luck getting the official number.

                    Like i said before, if the signing bonus is correct (11.1 million) then it should be 8.25 million before June 1st. After that, i think it prorates over 2 years so it would be 4 million.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                      Because teams realize at his age, he has 2 years in him to play at an elite level. Last year Nate Clements got an 8 year 80 million dollar deal. At age 27. DeAngelo Hall got a similar deal at 25. Why would Newman get that deal at 30?
                      Because he can make more money and have some stability if he were to get that money as soon as possible. You're right, why would a team pay humongous money to a 30 year old CB? Now put yourself in his shoes, would you go an extra year, and then try to convince a team again to pay you that kind of money, at 31?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                        Well unless you talk to someone who's with the team or has some sources from the team, good luck getting the official number.

                        Like i said before, if the signing bonus is correct (11.1 million) then it should be 8.25 million before June 1st. After that, i think it prorates over 2 years so it would be 4 million.
                        Well i'll be damned.

                        According to The Dallas Morning News, cutting him before June 1st would be 7.387 million on the cap. After, you do spread it over two years and it would be 2.947 this year and 4.4ish next year.

                        Pretty close if you ask me ;)

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                          Because he can make more money and have some stability if he were to get that money as soon as possible. You're right, why would a team pay humongous money to a 30 year old CB? Now put yourself in his shoes, would you go an extra year, and then try to convince a team again to pay you that kind of money, at 31?
                          Well, if Orlando Pace has taught me anything, its that teams really are willing to franchise someone year after year until most likely the point that they would have cut him anyway if he had signed a long term contract. Now, lets say the Cowboys franchise Newman 3 times and then stop. Thats I'm guessing 27 million dollars. 27 million dollars out of 27 million dollars he would have gotten. Not 27 million out of 60 that he was never going to see the other 33 of anyway.

                          I've been wondering if these players who sign these contracts for 4 years for 60 million dollars that consist of 1 million the first year and 59 the next 3 realize they're never going to see that other 59. Take Donte Stallworth with the Patriots for example. Or Ty Law.

                          Ty Law signed a huge contract with the Jets a few years ago. After the year Law had for the Jets, he was someone who clearly deserved to make the beaucoup bucks his contract had for him starting the second year. But the Jets cut him. You know why? Because they were always going to and no matter how well Law did, they were going to cut him anyway. Law had 10 interceptions. He could have had 20 and it wouldn't have mattered.

                          So no, I don't know why the franchise tag and the enormous amount of money you make for 1 year is such an insult to so many players. I guess I might if I was actually an NFL player. But I'm not, so I don't.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                            Well, if Orlando Pace has taught me anything, its that teams really are willing to franchise someone year after year until most likely the point that they would have cut him anyway if he had signed a long term contract. Now, lets say the Cowboys franchise Newman 3 times and then stop. Thats I'm guessing 27 million dollars. 27 million dollars out of 27 million dollars he would have gotten. Not 27 million out of 60 that he was never going to see the other 33 of anyway.

                            I've been wondering if these players who sign these contracts for 4 years for 60 million dollars that consist of 1 million the first year and 59 the next 3 realize they're never going to see that other 59. Take Donte Stallworth with the Patriots for example. Or Ty Law.

                            Ty Law signed a huge contract with the Jets a few years ago. After the year Law had for the Jets, he was someone who clearly deserved to make the beaucoup bucks his contract had for him starting the second year. But the Jets cut him. You know why? Because they were always going to and no matter how well Law did, they were going to cut him anyway. Law had 10 interceptions. He could have had 20 and it wouldn't have mattered.

                            So no, I don't know why the franchise tag and the enormous amount of money you make for 1 year is such an insult to so many players. I guess I might if I was actually an NFL player. But I'm not, so I don't.
                            You are talking sense to someone that makes none. Why bother.

                            The franchsie tag is used on older players to prepare younger guys to play or get one year juice in a playoff scenario.

                            TNew will "unhappily" play as a franchise but what he should have done is graduate college sooner. He has no one to blame but himself.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                              Well, if Orlando Pace has taught me anything, its that teams really are willing to franchise someone year after year until most likely the point that they would have cut him anyway if he had signed a long term contract. Now, lets say the Cowboys franchise Newman 3 times and then stop. Thats I'm guessing 27 million dollars. 27 million dollars out of 27 million dollars he would have gotten. Not 27 million out of 60 that he was never going to see the other 33 of anyway.

                              I've been wondering if these players who sign these contracts for 4 years for 60 million dollars that consist of 1 million the first year and 59 the next 3 realize they're never going to see that other 59. Take Donte Stallworth with the Patriots for example. Or Ty Law.

                              Ty Law signed a huge contract with the Jets a few years ago. After the year Law had for the Jets, he was someone who clearly deserved to make the beaucoup bucks his contract had for him starting the second year. But the Jets cut him. You know why? Because they were always going to and no matter how well Law did, they were going to cut him anyway. Law had 10 interceptions. He could have had 20 and it wouldn't have mattered.

                              So no, I don't know why the franchise tag and the enormous amount of money you make for 1 year is such an insult to so many players. I guess I might if I was actually an NFL player. But I'm not, so I don't.
                              I understand what you're saying about the constant franchising, but why in the hell would someone happily play when franchised if they would be one injury away from being released the following season? If Newmans' foot injury were to arise again the year he would potentially be franchised, what are the chances of him being released at the end of the season? Pretty high i'd say, and he'd lose a ton of market value. Three years under the franchise would net you close to 30 million dollars, yes, none of that which is GUARANTEED. That being the key word around contracts. Something i'm feeling you have a hard time understanding.

                              I do get what you're saying with the Jets and Law, but Law was coming off an injury plagued season, and he needed at least one year to prove himself that he could play. I doubt he played for chump change, so if you have the numbers of the contract he signed, please, bring them up, because i'm sure there was a nice little signing bonus in there at some point. Players don't care much about their salary. They want to get as much signing bonus as they can, because that's all the money that they're guaranteed. One injury or bad season and the only guarantee that they have is that they're getting released or taking a pay cut.

                              And you don't have to be an NFL player to understand how teams shaft players with the Franchise tag. It just takes a little common sense on what would be the best financial scenario for a player.

                              Put yourself in the players position and let go of that little fantasy that players will just obey when the team wants to use them for one year and throw them to the curb.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                                I understand what you're saying about the constant franchising, but why in the hell would someone happily play when franchised if they would be one injury away from being released the following season? If Newmans' foot injury were to arise again the year he would potentially be franchised, what are the chances of him being released at the end of the season? Pretty high i'd say, and he'd lose a ton of market value. Three years under the franchise would net you close to 30 million dollars, yes, none of that which is GUARANTEED. That being the key word around contracts. Something i'm feeling you have a hard time understanding.
                                Unless Newman's foot falls off, no, I don't think the Cowboys would simply release him. If a team franchises a player, I'm pretty sure they are required to pay him the average of the top five players in the league. So in the sense, the 8-10 million or however much it is, is garunteed.

                                And most of the money in the contract Newman would get isn't garunteed anyway.


                                Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                                I do get what you're saying with the Jets and Law, but Law was coming off an injury plagued season, and he needed at least one year to prove himself that he could play. I doubt he played for chump change, so if you have the numbers of the contract he signed, please, bring them up, because i'm sure there was a nice little signing bonus in there at some point. Players don't care much about their salary. They want to get as much signing bonus as they can, because that's all the money that they're guaranteed. One injury or bad season and the only guarantee that they have is that they're getting released or taking a pay cut.
                                I have found a couple of snippets of Law's NYJ contract, although nothing I'd call concrete. From what I can piece together.
                                7 years 50 million dollars
                                Incentive laiden
                                11 million dollar roster bonus between his first and second years..... that he never saw.
                                "Potentially" 28 million over the first three years.

                                Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                                And you don't have to be an NFL player to understand how teams shaft players with the Franchise tag. It just takes a little common sense on what would be the best financial scenario for a player.

                                Put yourself in the players position and let go of that little fantasy that players will just obey when the team wants to use them for one year and throw them to the curb.
                                But the team doesn't just throw them to the curb after one year. In fact, players often sign the franchise tender with the agreement that the teams CAN'T franchise them a second time.

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