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  • Playoffs Rd. 2, Dallas @ Minnesota

    It's mid week and I wanted to start talking about this game now.


    Alot of talk being made out of Loadholt and McKinnie handling Ware & Spencer, I think it'll be a key point for this game.


    My early prediction is we win, 27-24, I just think their secondary is a really big weak spot and Garrett loves to pass anyway so if we got behind I think their corners and safeties will give up the big play. Felix is fast enough to get to the edge and not run right at the Williams wall.





    Originally posted by Scott Wright
    I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

  • #2
    The Vikings are mentally weak. I can't see them beating us. As far as confidence goes, ours is legit... theirs is fake. Favre is saying that losing to us will be a shock, but I don't think he really believes that. He's just saying that. Otherwise, why would he follow that up by saying the Cowboys have a ton of confidence and have been playing well for weeks now, and are peaking at the right time? He's saying tough words, but he knows losing to us is a real possibility. That's why I say their confidence is fake.

    Our guys know we'll bring the ruckus! Both sides of the ball feel unstoppable.

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    • #3
      Stole this off another board but it's impressive.



      OK guys.....I'm tired of hearing about the Vikings second half collapse, and about the Cowboys being the hottest team in the NFL right now.

      OK...let's assume the Vikings were better in the first half than they were in the second half.

      We all know the Vikings played totally different at home compared to on the road during that second half.....but does anyone really have a feel for how much different?

      Taking ONLY the 2nd half games that were played at home...here are some numbers to let you know just how dominant the Vikings have been on their home turf over this stretch.

      The Vikings played 5 games at home during the last 8 games of the season:

      They won all 5 games (indeed they are undefeated in all 8 home games this year....but since the official story line is about the Vikings falling apart the 2nd half I am concentrating only on those games)

      In those 5 home games the Vikings scored an average of 34.4 points per game.
      The fewest points they scored in any of those 5 games is 27. (T. Jackson and the 2nd stringers got playing time in the 2nd half of all 5 games....so I think it's safe to assume more points could have been had.)

      In those same 5 home games the Vikings gave up an average of 9.2 points per game.
      The most points they gave up to anyone in any of those 5 games is 10. (Again....many of those points, including the 7 scored by the Giants were against our scrubs)

      That means during the second half of the season at home...the Vikings outscored their opponents by an average of 25.2 points per game.
      The SMALLEST margin of victory in any of those games was 17 points. (27-10 against the Lions)
      (and that is while giving their 2nd and 3rd stringers significant playing time in all 5 games)

      Now let's look at the other side of this....because not only are the Vikings playing at home...but the Cowboys are playing on the road.

      During the last 8 games of the season, the Cowboys had 4 road games.

      Their win/loss record in those 4 games is 2-2 (50%)

      In those 4 games they scored an average of 18 points per game.
      The most points they scored in any one of those games is 24 points (3 full points less than the fewest points the Vikings scored in any of those home games during the same stretch)

      In those same 4 road games they gave up an average of 16.25 points per game.

      Meaning they have an average margin of Victory of 1.75 points per game while playing on the road over the second half of the season.


      So...let's put these stats side by side and see which team given the current situation (Vikings @ home....Cowboys on the road) looks better.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
        The Vikings are mentally weak. I can't see them beating us. As far as confidence goes, ours is legit... theirs is fake. Favre is saying that losing to us will be a shock, but I don't think he really believes that. He's just saying that. Otherwise, why would he follow that up by saying the Cowboys have a ton of confidence and have been playing well for weeks now, and are peaking at the right time? He's saying tough words, but he knows losing to us is a real possibility. That's why I say their confidence is fake.

        Our guys know we'll bring the ruckus! Both sides of the ball feel unstoppable.
        We have 9 probowlers and a hall of fame QB and we're playing at home where over the last 5 games we have destroyed every team we play by an average of more then 25 points. Yea I'd say our confidence is fake:roll:

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BGB View Post
          Stole this off another board but it's impressive.



          OK guys.....I'm tired of hearing about the Vikings second half collapse, and about the Cowboys being the hottest team in the NFL right now.

          OK...let's assume the Vikings were better in the first half than they were in the second half.

          We all know the Vikings played totally different at home compared to on the road during that second half.....but does anyone really have a feel for how much different?

          Taking ONLY the 2nd half games that were played at home...here are some numbers to let you know just how dominant the Vikings have been on their home turf over this stretch.

          The Vikings played 5 games at home during the last 8 games of the season:

          They won all 5 games (indeed they are undefeated in all 8 home games this year....but since the official story line is about the Vikings falling apart the 2nd half I am concentrating only on those games)

          In those 5 home games the Vikings scored an average of 34.4 points per game.
          The fewest points they scored in any of those 5 games is 27. (T. Jackson and the 2nd stringers got playing time in the 2nd half of all 5 games....so I think it's safe to assume more points could have been had.)

          In those same 5 home games the Vikings gave up an average of 9.2 points per game.
          The most points they gave up to anyone in any of those 5 games is 10. (Again....many of those points, including the 7 scored by the Giants were against our scrubs)

          That means during the second half of the season at home...the Vikings outscored their opponents by an average of 25.2 points per game.
          The SMALLEST margin of victory in any of those games was 17 points. (27-10 against the Lions)
          (and that is while giving their 2nd and 3rd stringers significant playing time in all 5 games)

          Now let's look at the other side of this....because not only are the Vikings playing at home...but the Cowboys are playing on the road.

          During the last 8 games of the season, the Cowboys had 4 road games.

          Their win/loss record in those 4 games is 2-2 (50%)

          In those 4 games they scored an average of 18 points per game.
          The most points they scored in any one of those games is 24 points (3 full points less than the fewest points the Vikings scored in any of those home games during the same stretch)

          In those same 4 road games they gave up an average of 16.25 points per game.

          Meaning they have an average margin of Victory of 1.75 points per game while playing on the road over the second half of the season.


          So...let's put these stats side by side and see which team given the current situation (Vikings @ home....Cowboys on the road) looks better.
          Yeah lets look at those home opponents....Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, Cincinnati and the Giants who had no interest in playing another game. Ummmm where am I supposed to be impressed? Want to talk about those 3 losses in the last 4? No? Didnt think so.




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          • #6
            Originally posted by BGB View Post
            We have 9 probowlers and a hall of fame QB and we're playing at home where over the last 5 games we have destroyed every team we play by an average of more then 25 points. Yea I'd say our confidence is fake:roll:
            Sounds like your trying to convince yourself. You have not played a team like ours all year. Hope your ready....




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            • #7
              Favre is saying that losing to us will be a shock, but I don't think he really believes that. He's just saying that. Otherwise, why would he follow that up by saying the Cowboys have a ton of confidence and have been playing well for weeks now, and are peaking at the right time? He's saying tough words, but he knows losing to us is a real possibility. That's why I say their confidence is fake.
              Overconfidence is one thing, underestimating your opponent is another & the fastest way to lose I think of.

              Favre has had this reputation since his Southern Miss days as a 4th qtr. comeback kind of QB, just keep the score within 6 points & Favre will bring them back to beat you. I watched the 9ers @ Minnesota earlier this yr, Singletary came up with a brilliant defensive scheme that kept Favre guessing all game, until that last drive, TD pass FTW in the waning seconds right on the tiptoes of the WR on the end line, Lewis the 49er safety just watched it happen a step away, sank the 9ers whole season for road games in many ways. Moral of the story here is not to get into this situation to start with, but Dallas has to get that early lead to take the home crowd out of it & the defense has to hold that lead.

              Sounds simple but realize that winning on the road in the playoffs has the odds against you. Philly gave up umpteen turnovers to Dallas last Saturday, I can't expect the Vikings to be so generous.
              Last edited by LizardState; 01-14-2010, 08:06 PM.

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              • #8
                TOugh game for us guys.

                This is a great home team.

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                • #9
                  Lol, Dallas has the following Pro Bowlers:

                  Romo
                  Barber
                  Witten
                  Flozell
                  Gurode
                  Davis
                  Austin
                  R. Williams
                  Ware
                  Ratliff
                  Brooking
                  Hamlin
                  Newman
                  McBriar

                  That's 14 Pro Bowlers. And that doesn't count Mike Jenkins, Anthony Spencer and Felix Jones, who you could make an argument are our 3 best players over the last 4 games.


                  So what is the relevance of this? I do not know. Which is why I would like to know why you brought it up.


                  The game will be played between the lines. The post above is ludicrous, because what happened 8 weeks ago is holds very little bearing on what will happen this weekend. Bottom line is that the Cowboys have better players who are playing better football, and that has finally begun to show up. Minnesota can surely win, but if they do there's a great chance that it will be a result of Wade Phillips' inadequacies.

                  Also, another thing that is really funny. Here is the schedule each team played:

                  Dallas on the road:

                  @ GB
                  @ NYG
                  @ NO
                  @ Wash


                  Minn

                  vs. Det
                  vs. Chi
                  vs. Sea
                  vs. Cin
                  vs. NYG


                  As you can see, its pretty clear that Dallas' opponents were much more formidably than the trash that Minnesota faced. Detroit is either the worst or 2nd worst team in the league and coming off a winless season. Chicago is awful, especially on the road. Sea is a bottom 5 team. Cincy is very offensively challenged and heavily reliant upon a defense that forces TOs and keeps thing close. Still, they were the one playoff team who had no business being in it, and weren't measurably better than the worst team in the NFC East, the Redskins. The Giants were a good team early, but began to fall apart. By the time the Vikings played them they had packed it in in a big way and had no interest in playing with any pride or passion.


                  Meanwhile, Dallas played what was, going into the game, considered to be the best team in the league by far, coming off a game in which they demolished Tom Brady and the Pats, at home, sporting the 2nd best scoring offense (up to that point) of all time, with the front runner for MVP at QB and a very opportunistic defense which was piling up takeaways. They not only won, they dominated, and held NO's offense to a season low in points.

                  Washington has a very good defense. They can, and have, play with any team in the league as long as their offense doesn't hand the game over by throwing the ball away. They played an excellent defensive game, but ultimately their lack of O and Dallas sensational defensive play cost them any shot at winning.

                  NY at home in week 11 was a much different team than they were on the road in week 17. It doesn't take a Football Scientist to know that.

                  GB, probably Dallas' worst game of the season, was a dogfight which was swung by a blatantly missed fumble call that could not be challenged. Even so, Dallas kept them to 17 points AT HOME, 7 of which were gifted to them by the referees. But the offense did play very poorly.



                  Anyway, we can sit and twist stats all day long. I can post the last 4 games by each team and show that, against NO, Wash, PHI and PHI, Dallas averaged scoring 24.75 ppg while giving up 7.75 for an average margin of victory of 17ppg, with two games coming on the road. Dallas was 4-0 during this stretch against 3 playoff teams, including the #1 seed in the conference, against teams with a composite record of 39-20 going into each game.

                  Minny, meanwhile, averaged 27.75 and gave up 19.75 for an average margin of 8.0 versus Cincinnati, Carolina, Chicago, and NY going 2-2 against teams with a composite 27-27 record. Take out the final game against a belly-up NY team and those numbers get very ugly indeed, going to 22.3scored/24.0allowed against teams with a 19-20 record and going 1-2...should I continue?


                  Over the course of the season, the Vikings were probably the slightly better team. Dallas played better in the second half, Minny better in the 1st half. Recency bias gives Dallas the advantage in most people's minds. It doesn't help that Minnesota played a pathetically easy schedule, either.
                  Originally posted by 21ST
                  He was protecting his self
                  Originally posted by tjsunstein
                  From what? His leg?
                  Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                  That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                  "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pocketaces View Post
                    Yeah lets look at those home opponents....Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, Cincinnati and the Giants who had no interest in playing another game. Ummmm where am I supposed to be impressed? Want to talk about those 3 losses in the last 4? No? Didnt think so.
                    Those loses were on the road and we already had the division wrapped up. Care to talk about the 5 Dallas losses?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pocketaces View Post
                      Sounds like your trying to convince yourself. You have not played a team like ours all year. Hope your ready....
                      Actually yes we have. We played the Packers twice and crushed them both times.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
                        Lol, Dallas has the following Pro Bowlers:

                        Romo
                        Barber
                        Witten
                        Flozell
                        Gurode
                        Davis
                        Austin
                        R. Williams
                        Ware
                        Ratliff
                        Brooking
                        Hamlin
                        Newman
                        McBriar

                        That's 14 Pro Bowlers. And that doesn't count Mike Jenkins, Anthony Spencer and Felix Jones, who you could make an argument are our 3 best players over the last 4 games.

                        You lost me there bud. Just looked at the probowl roster and I'm not seeing half those guys on it. We're not talking former pro bowlers here.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BGB View Post
                          Those loses were on the road and we already had the division wrapped up. Care to talk about the 5 Dallas losses?
                          You didnt have home field wrapped up though did you? You had plenty to play for and got your asses handed to you. Funny even your own boys told you to take those MEANINGLESS stats elsewhere. Go away troll, we dont want to hear it. See you Sunday.




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                          • #14
                            There is some ridiculous talk about Pro Bowlers going on here that we need to defuse. Let's just stop. Talent wise, both teams are talented.

                            This is going to come down to who makes the other guy submit first. Prior to the Giants win, Minnesota was REELIN'. A win over the lowly Giants shouldn't prop them back up. If it has... there's another sense of fake confidence that I was referring to earlier.

                            Both teams have the ability to win. I just think honestly, that Dallas is for the first time in a long time.... 100% legit about their confidence and mental toughness. I have some question marks about the Vikings... Their biggest advantage is Home Field. That says a lot about the rest of their team.

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                            • #15
                              The Vikings are talented, and they shouldn't be taken lightly. They are the number two seed for a reason, and Dallas needs to bring their A game to an environment that favors the home team. I think that Dallas takes it though. I say it'll be 27-13, and it will be a long game of passes. I think Dallas shuts down Minnesota's running game early, and Childress gets a little too pass happy.
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