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  • Originally posted by baghdadbob View Post
    A good 3-4 uses lots of underneath zone with 3 LB always in coverage. This is something I found lacking in the Wade 3-4. I think also a good Wade 3-4 requires DE that can play one-gap and we don't have that. Spears, Igor, Canty before them..... all 3-4 DE. Hatcher, Bowen, Ratliff I think have more positional flexibiltiy given their quickness. We just have a bit of a miss-mash of talent in the front 7 and I am not sure our D philosophy has ever been set long enough for anything to take root.

    But to me, we have personnel to play D closer to what Parcells/Belichek would do. Thump'em, keep'em in front and pray for a few turnovers due to the Offenses mistakes. With Wade, so much is predicated on the blitz creating big plays -- that is to say the D forces the turnovers mores so than the Offense makes mistakes.

    Hope that helps, I do type too quick and thoughts get jumbled up. Sorry.

    Moving ....

    Here is a name I love Vontaze Burfict -- don't know if he comes out given he is a bit crazy and only a sophomore. But that is an ILB. Maybe a better 4-3 Prospect than 3-4 but man that is the mindset I want on D minus the PF.

    Runs, hits, plays hard every damn down.
    Very astute observations! I do agree that we have a mis-match of talent where we have Parcells 2 gap types, trying to fit in Wades' 1 gap scheme. There are several faults for that... Parcells jumping ship suddenly like he did... That alone caused a major halt to the long term rebuilding process. Jerry hiring Wade who's scheme required a different type of player, and then not addressing those adequately. I thought they started off right by drafting Spencer, but they never did enough along the DL. They did bring in Wade's guy in Olshansky, but they kept Spears (bad idea), kept Hatcher (don't ask me why), got rid of Carpenter too late, kept Bradie James too long, and while Brooking was a good get as a stop gap, they whiffed on addressing it long term. Jason Williams, waste. Sean Lee... a little too late. The biggest thing though is letting Ratliff off the hook and not moving him to DE. Early in Wade's tenure, they wanted to play him at DE and had him taking snaps in preseason. Wade was soft and backed off because Ratliff complained about having to go against OGs and big OTs and preferred to face OGs and Cs who are typically smaller than tackles. Wade gave in. Ratliff would be one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league in Wade's 1 gap scheme, but he was afraid of the challenge and didn't want to learn a new position. He saw an easier way out and put up a fit. Hence, while we had a pro bowl NT who's claim to fame came from penetrating backfields, there were many times when teams just ran straight up the gut against us and bowled over Rat... and because he never consistently (is the key word) drew a double team, the rest of Wade's scheme was compromised. Wade tried to compliment Ratliff by addressing NT the way he really wanted to... with more heavy set NTs... Siavii, Brent...even the UDFAs we looked at were huge. No one was of the smaller mold of Ratliff. That to me was another reason why we have a mis-placed bodies and the rebuilding process wasn't address properly. It's no coincidence to me that we are looking at this draft for the same positions we've been looking for since we transition to the 3-4 in year 1. NT, DE, ILB. Why has it taken so long? Poor draft decisions, average FA decisions and weak head coaching decisions to do what is right.

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    • Some tidbits that caught my eye from Bunting today.

      I got to take my first look at Central Florida right tackle Jah Reid this weekend and I will admit that I still need to go back and watch some real tape on him. However, my initial TV impressions of the kid were very good. He’s a big, 6-7, 325-pound tackle who carries his weight well, looks really long armed and displays natural bend in his lower half. He displayed good initial balance and body control in pass protection, kept his arms up and showcased good pop and balance when asked to extend and punch. He was also very powerful in the run game, gaining leverage on contact, displaying good hand placement and liked to pump his legs and finish blocks. Now, he does lack great range off the edge vs. speed and at times is forced to open up the gate and lunge into defenders, pushing them past the play. Plus, he isn’t a real velcro player once he gets a hold of a defender despite his size. However, Reid gets off the snap count on time, seems to really understand angles and looks like one of the better right tackle prospects I have seen so far this draft season.
      We know Georgia FB Shaun Chapas is a tough, high-character kid who can get after you as a lead blocker and likely will be able to fight his way onto an NFL roster because of that. However, watching him this week he did two things that will definitely help his draft stock further because it shows he’s more than just a one-trick pony.

      1. He looked natural catching the football out of the backfield in the pass game, getting down the seam on one occasion and with ease/confidence plucking the ball away from his frame.

      2. He showed well in the pass game picking up the blitz, stonewalling defenders and moving his feet well through contact in order to keep his side of the pocket clean.

      He’s still going to make his money in the NFL as a lead guy, but being able to catch the football and block in the pass game gives this guy the opportunity to play on third down as well, which will only further add to his stock in what is a very good fullback class.

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      • Originally posted by thule View Post
        Some tidbits that caught my eye from Bunting today.
        Cool. Thanks for sharing. I usually like what Bunting has to say, but I never fully sell myself to it either.

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        • If you get a chance tonight, watch ESPN2. Muhammed Wilkerson, a 6-5, 305 DE will be on the field. He's another guy who I like who makes me think drafting a Top 10 DE would be a mistake. He's just a junior though.

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          • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
            Cool. Thanks for sharing. I usually like what Bunting has to say, but I never fully sell myself to it either.
            I just follow his updates because he scouts some less heralded players. I hate on draft day when we select a player and I look through the archives of our talks and can't find any discussion on them...so I try to post stuff I find relevant in case we need it down the road. He is also not as cookie cutter as some of the other mainstream stuff...it's nice to read stuff that isn't "tight hips...or doesn't get low in his backpedal consistently enough"....he uses a lot more scouting terms.

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            • Originally posted by thule View Post
              I just follow his updates because he scouts some less heralded players. I hate on draft day when we select a player and I look through the archives of our talks and can't find any discussion on them...so I try to post stuff I find relevant in case we need it down the road. He is also not as cookie cutter as some of the other mainstream stuff...it's nice to read stuff that isn't "tight hips...or doesn't get low in his backpedal consistently enough"....he uses a lot more scouting terms.
              Reminds me of guys like ... what's his first name again... that Guard we drafted... Brewster in the 3rd round.... Victor Butler (3rd round), Brian Williams (4th round)...

              With the late round guys I don't hear about... Erik Walden, Patrick Crayton, Pat McQuistan... I don't care about not knowing... but when it happens in the first 4 rounds, yeah... that frustrates me because I think the team doesn't know what it's doing.

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              • Butler is a keeper. Period.

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                • Originally posted by CDCB14 View Post
                  Butler is a keeper. Period.
                  Yeah but it was a luxury pick. We had so many other better players to pick from that would be helping us today rather than sitting on our bench. I do like the guy. Don't get me wrong. I'd rather him be starting than Spencer. I've said that many times. But right now, that pick is giving us a big ZERO in ROI.

                  But the reason why I mentioned him in the first place is because he was a name that wasn't mentioned on these boards... not seen in our forum mocks, etc.

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                  • Some interesting food for thought here.

                    Columbo will have one more year left on his deal. That said only position that makes a ton of sense on the OL to draft with a top 15 pick is a LT or maybe an elite guard...but once a decade type guy.

                    That said something funny has came over me. Not sure how many people kept up with the Riley Reiff thread on the forums. But basically the kid is a RS Soph and will be 22 in December. On the field he is Iowa's best OL and while he isn't a technician by any means...he does have elite feet and has a strong drop-step...and displays good lower body power. That said he isn't a finished product he is a ball of clay. Needs to work on upper body strength and doing a better job of locking on to defenders and driving them past the QB...his initial punch seems to be ok..(see upper body strength above) but he doesn't always engage..which leaves him susceptible to the outside in move.

                    I bring this up for a reason. This OT class is terrible...there might not even be a NFL LT drafted. With that said I've had no problem with Free on the left side...while he hasn't been perfect he has been above average for a LT. But to me if you are going to invest a early pick into the OL and you see a top tier LT talent you have to take him.

                    Ideally he could sit a year and work on becoming a technician ever down...and we can squeeze one last year out of Columbo. Then Free can move to RT and this kid can play LT.

                    Am I losing my marbles....I love the idea of having OT taken care of for the next 5 years, even more so than drafting a top flight 5-tech. This class has 1 maybe 2 LT's in it if Reiff declares depending on how you view Sherrod...this class has about 10-15 impact DL.

                    Something interesting to ponder for us I think. It'd help to know what the organization thinks about Sam Young also...he could be potentially our replacement for Columbo...but thats impossible to project right now.

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                    • Free is our LT of the future. I don't think Jerry with allow him to be moved. Plus, that is his natural spot. He is an athlete.

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                      • Do you guys think barber could be a piece of a trade on draft day?

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                        • Originally posted by CDCB14 View Post
                          Do you guys think barber could be a piece of a trade on draft day?
                          If Patrick Crayton only fetches a 7th round pick in trade, I doubt Jerry would get much more for Marion Barber.

                          The only tradeable assets the Cowboys have that would realistically fetch more than a 3rd round pick are: Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, and Jay Ratliff.

                          If Jerry wanted to pick up some more high draft picks, his best bet would be to make a bold trade involving Tony Romo or Miles Austin.

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                          • The problem with Dallas's defense is that it seems to be much better than it really is. The truth is, you have 4 great or potentially great players on D, and the other 7 are mediocre at best.

                            That's a lot of holes to fill. It's kind of like the Jets defense in a sense that the talent on the unit is overrated but its been masked by good coordination.

                            Ware, Spencer, Ratliff and possibly Jenkins. Those are your 4 aces. The rest are below average players. Both DEs are below average, both ILBs are below average, the safeties are atrocious, and Newman isn't getting any younger and Scandrick has been poor for 2 seasons now.

                            You can improve that defense in a number of areas as far as Im concerned. I'd focus on 5 technique if you keep Ratliff at NT, or CB in the 1st round.

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                            • Originally posted by thule View Post
                              Some interesting food for thought here.

                              Columbo will have one more year left on his deal. That said only position that makes a ton of sense on the OL to draft with a top 15 pick is a LT or maybe an elite guard...but once a decade type guy.

                              That said something funny has came over me. Not sure how many people kept up with the Riley Reiff thread on the forums. But basically the kid is a RS Soph and will be 22 in December. On the field he is Iowa's best OL and while he isn't a technician by any means...he does have elite feet and has a strong drop-step...and displays good lower body power. That said he isn't a finished product he is a ball of clay. Needs to work on upper body strength and doing a better job of locking on to defenders and driving them past the QB...his initial punch seems to be ok..(see upper body strength above) but he doesn't always engage..which leaves him susceptible to the outside in move.

                              I bring this up for a reason. This OT class is terrible...there might not even be a NFL LT drafted. With that said I've had no problem with Free on the left side...while he hasn't been perfect he has been above average for a LT. But to me if you are going to invest a early pick into the OL and you see a top tier LT talent you have to take him.

                              Ideally he could sit a year and work on becoming a technician ever down...and we can squeeze one last year out of Columbo. Then Free can move to RT and this kid can play LT.

                              Am I losing my marbles....I love the idea of having OT taken care of for the next 5 years, even more so than drafting a top flight 5-tech. This class has 1 maybe 2 LT's in it if Reiff declares depending on how you view Sherrod...this class has about 10-15 impact DL.

                              Something interesting to ponder for us I think. It'd help to know what the organization thinks about Sam Young also...he could be potentially our replacement for Columbo...but thats impossible to project right now.
                              Yeah, I've been following Reiff real hard. The guys talking about him on the forum are high on his jock. ...as if he's the #1 OT in the draft. I'm not buying it, but I'm not ready to totally dismiss it either. I do think he declares. I think with the CBA issues, that we'll see a lot of juniors who normally wouldn't declare... declare this year. In Scott's radio blog, where he interviewed that scout yesterday, that's what the scout had mentioned. Made sense to me when he explained it. But yeah... I see him declaring and I see us having a shot at him at the top of Round 2 right now. But if I have the choice between Reiff and Tyron Smith, I take Smith... easily.

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                              • Originally posted by CDCB14 View Post
                                Do you guys think barber could be a piece of a trade on draft day?
                                No. Maybe before the draft, but not during.

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