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  • Part of me feels like if the organization really feels like Romo is the guy who can take them to the Super Bowl, the 1st priority is to protect his health. Therefore taking the best OT available at 9 is the way to go.

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    • Originally posted by Trogdor View Post
      Tyron Smith says hi. I'm still not sure how this guy isn't getting any love.

      3-4 DEs are NOT worth top 10 picks. If we don't trade out of that spot it has to be a major position of need (Hatcher/Bowen are fine) or a 'premium' position (Prince etc). Our 3-4 DEs might be even less important depending on if Ryan keeps his scheme diverse tactics alive. And I've had Watt over Jordan (for 3-4 schemes) since the end of the season. The only knock he had coming into the combine was that he was a 'limited' athlete. He's a super high motor, great athlete, that has played consistently. Question is how will our DEs play under Ryan?

      And 'looking at other draft sites' isn't a good way to go unless they rank based on your scheme. Jordan is A LOT better than Watt in 4-3 (both as a DE and both DT positions) but it isn't really that close when evaluating for 3-4 DE. Sort of like how CB rankings are a lot different for teams that run Cover 2. The ideal Cover 2 corner isn't the same as a press man scheme.
      Hate to break it to you, but just because his name may not appear on this page doesn't mean he's not "getting love". I think this is your first post about him. Your more than late to the party. I think if you're going to say something like that, at least be accurate about it before criticizing us.

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      • We interviewed Johnny Patrick according to dmn. Wouldnt be a horrible selection in the 3rd at all. I wouldnt touch him before that.

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        • Question for you Cowboys fans from a 49ers fan -

          What do you think the chances are of Jerry Jones trading up from 9 to 6 if CB Patrick Peterson falls there?

          As a 49ers fan, I want Peterson the most followed by Prince but im worried that if Peterson falls to 6, DAL will jump ahead of the 49ers to get him.

          Also, secondary wise, if the Cowboys were to draft Peterson or Prince, what are the chances that Newman moves to FS?

          Thanks.

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          • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
            Question for you Cowboys fans from a 49ers fan -

            What do you think the chances are of Jerry Jones trading up from 9 to 6 if CB Patrick Peterson falls there?

            As a 49ers fan, I want Peterson the most followed by Prince but im worried that if Peterson falls to 6, DAL will jump ahead of the 49ers to get him.

            Also, secondary wise, if the Cowboys were to draft Peterson or Prince, what are the chances that Newman moves to FS?

            Thanks.

            It's a no brainer IMO that Jerry moves up for PP if he is there at 6, and that's not just what I'd want to happen. Report came out he's #1 on our board which isn't that hard to believe, and I think if he makes it to 4 we'll start giving it some thought and calling to ask for prices.




            Same as when we jumped Baltimore for Dez, I think we know you guys would covet him, but not all those teams would wanna trade back. AZ may want Von Miller, Cleveland might want AJ Green. No guarantee those guys would be there if they move back, so just wanting to trade up is only half of it.


            But I'm pretty certain we want to trade up, if we find a partner I think it's likely we try and jump you guys for him, hard to say if we do. Once he reaches Cincy, odds increase a bunch that we try and make it happen, and this is from someone who would prefer to stand pat and take Tyron but I'd be on cloud 9 if we got him.



            Oh, and I think we'd play him at FS. Just way too big of a need, and Newman can play CB another season.





            Originally posted by Scott Wright
            I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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            • Originally posted by TheFinisher View Post
              Anyone think Carimi can fall to the 2nd? He seems to be the odd man out out of the top Tackles, probably because he doesn't project well on the left side.
              I think he proved enough at the Senior Bowl to warrant a top 20-25 pick, but you are right about the other hype with the guys. I was actually happy his combine numbers didnt jump out because it does give us a change to get him with our 2nd, small chance, but a chance none the less.

              I also think we should take a CB in the 3rd round with this kind of depth. Especially if we take best defensive from 7 guy available with our first pick, given that we cant get PP and we can't trade back.

              OT in Carimi with our 2nd pick and then a solid CB with our 3rd. I had a post a few weeks ago that talked about how taking CBs in the 4th round or later don't pan out very well. Yes, of course its the 4th or later and most draft picks dont pan out taken back there, but that just shows you how great of a steal Scandrick was in the 5th. If we find a guy like that, then I don't mind waiting until the 4th or 5th, but I would rather have a guy in the 2nd or 3rd in the CB position, because it is a position of need IMO.
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              • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                We interviewed Johnny Patrick according to dmn. Wouldnt be a horrible selection in the 3rd at all. I wouldnt touch him before that.
                He's got skillz if you can live with the PI penalties. :/

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                • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                  Question for you Cowboys fans from a 49ers fan -

                  What do you think the chances are of Jerry Jones trading up from 9 to 6 if CB Patrick Peterson falls there?

                  As a 49ers fan, I want Peterson the most followed by Prince but im worried that if Peterson falls to 6, DAL will jump ahead of the 49ers to get him.

                  Also, secondary wise, if the Cowboys were to draft Peterson or Prince, what are the chances that Newman moves to FS?

                  Thanks.
                  If PP falls to 6, I will have a fit if we don't move up. Never know what Jerry will do though, so I don't think any of us can really answer you.

                  If we get one of them, T-New will be cut. He could get cut before then. He's expected to make $8 or 9M I believe. He won't get that unless Jerry is crazier than I thought. I can see a restructure or something like AJ Hawk and the Packers.... cut and then rework something. Either way, I don't see Newman at FS. Ever.

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                  • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                    Hate to break it to you, but just because his name may not appear on this page doesn't mean he's not "getting love". I think this is your first post about him. Your more than late to the party. I think if you're going to say something like that, at least be accurate about it before criticizing us.
                    :P Hey now. I've been talking about him since the end of the season. I wasn't criticizing anything but the statement that Macarthur stated "there are no OT worth a top 10 pick" hence my statement. I was saying the 'not getting love' due to him not being a widely accepted top 10 value. No need to be so defensive sheesh that's why I quoted someone so that it was understood whom I was talking to...

                    He's been in every mock I've done and in the conversation at 9 since he declared... so while I fully understand you posted A LOT on him during the off-season I didn't just come stumbling in and call you out. Sorry I haven't been posting here as much as in the mock draft section of the forum just pop my head in on occasion and comment.
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                    • I've watched some youtube this afternoon and I'm still not convinced he's a top 10 pick. He's good and probably the best OT, but I think he's more mid-teens. I haven't read anything comparing him to previous years, but I highly question him being rated as high as Jason Smith.

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                      • Originally posted by Trogdor View Post
                        :P Hey now. I've been talking about him since the end of the season. I wasn't criticizing anything but the statement that Macarthur stated "there are no OT worth a top 10 pick" hence my statement. I was saying the 'not getting love' due to him not being a widely accepted top 10 value. No need to be so defensive sheesh that's why I quoted someone so that it was understood whom I was talking to...

                        He's been in every mock I've done and in the conversation at 9 since he declared... so while I fully understand you posted A LOT on him during the off-season I didn't just come stumbling in and call you out. Sorry I haven't been posting here as much as in the mock draft section of the forum just pop my head in on occasion and comment.
                        I've just been in a funk lately. I shouldn't have taken it out on you. I can get defensive of our forum. ...and if anyone questioned stuff you had brought up for discussion, I would've stood up and got your back against them too. ;)

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                        • Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
                          I've watched some youtube this afternoon and I'm still not convinced he's a top 10 pick. He's good and probably the best OT, but I think he's more mid-teens. I haven't read anything comparing him to previous years, but I highly question him being rated as high as Jason Smith.

                          If I'm wrong, show me and I'll admit it.
                          First problem is... Youtube cilps. End of story.

                          No, but really, you have to see him in games. I've seen A LOT of USC games and I've simply come to believe my eyes. ...and my eyes tell me, he's a smudge under being considered an elite prospect. Why? For one, the lack of LT experience. Secondly, we don't know how he'll perform with the added weight. I only know him as a 285-290 pounder. While I think the added weight is great, there is that unknown factor.

                          Dude has a beast mentality though. That hasn't changed. Getting downfield to block is something he does very well. He's extremely nimble on his feet and his balance is a strength. It helps him recover quicker than most othe tackles. He could have a problem getting pushed back against the bullrush, but that was more of a concern for me when he was 285. He's got the long arms, very good strength (more importantly the desire to get stronger). He lives in the weight room and his ethic is what you want it to be.

                          I've been saying all along that he is a part of the new breed of OTs that the league is transforming to. Swapping fat for athleticism. Incredible upside, but I admit the floor is not as high as you want it to be either. He could be D'Brick or he could be Alex Barron. Pretty scary thing if you lack confidence in him.

                          Jason Williams is not a good comparison. He was always soft.

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                          • Hows about

                            Best guess at FA. They sign Michael Huff and Tyson Clabo as starters. They let Spears go apparently.

                            Colombo, Barber, Leonard Davis, Ball cut.

                            Brooking and Igor hang on for a while I guess :/

                            Dallas trades a 3rd and change to the Browns for 6. Browns targeting Julio Jones at 9.

                            6 - Patrick Peterson - CB/S - LSU - Its early March, Ive got nothing else to say on him

                            Dallas trades down to the late 2nd to get back a 3rd

                            2nd - Stephen Wisnewski - C/G - Penn St. - If he makes it. The perfect interior offensive linemen for us. Smart, tough, physical. Mayock said he has the best technique hes ever seen. A+ intangibles and he can replace Gurode at center down the line.

                            3rd - Bruce Carter - LB - UNC - 6'2"/240/Possible 4.5 40 time - Coming off an injury if not he might have been a late 1st rounder. I love this guys athleticism and fluidness. Very natural IMO. Suped-up Jason Williams except I never thought he looked lost on the field. Blocked 8 kicks in his career.

                            Trade down in the 4th to pick up a 5th

                            4th - James Brewer - T - Indiana - 6'6"/330 - Remember him? He looked like a stud at the combine in notoriously tough pass protection drills. Has health concerns and some question his motor but he is an excellent blocker and has great potential. Long arms and overall good athleticism.

                            5th - Cedric Thorton - DE - Southern Arkansas - 6'3"/309 - Held up well in double teams at Senior Bowl

                            5th - Brandon Fusco - C - Slippery Rock - 6'4"/316/ 5.09 40 - 4 years of experience and a good size/speed/strength ratio.


                            6th - Alex Henery - K - Deal with it

                            7th - Anthony Sherman - FB - UCONN - 5'10"/240/4.67 40/ 32 reps
                            - Sick fullback class. I guess if youre going to use one this is the year to get one. This guy paved the way for the super mediocre Donald Brown to get drafted in the 1st round and Jordan Toddman(Who I like) might go R2

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                            • Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
                              I've watched some youtube this afternoon and I'm still not convinced he's a top 10 pick. He's good and probably the best OT, but I think he's more mid-teens. I haven't read anything comparing him to previous years, but I highly question him being rated as high as Jason Smith.

                              If I'm wrong, show me and I'll admit it.
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                              Wes Bunting: We've talked about Tyron Smith. When you look at his lower half, it's begging for weight. It's a big, broad frame. He's 20 years old and when he focuses on adding weight, it didn't surprise me that he was up that quickly. He's at 307 right now. He's just under 6'5'', which I kind of like, that's what Roger Safford is. He's got 35 inch arms. I've heard he's gonna bench well. He could get up to 320 without losing any athleticism if he's up to 307 already.

                              CN: You're heard this from legimate sources that he's up to 307?

                              WB: Yeah

                              CN: Let's leave him at 307. Let's say he goes to the Combine at that weight and he's 6'4'' and a half. What does that do for him? Where does that move him on draft boards?

                              WB: On mine he's not moving. I was expecting this. I guess some NFL teams would move him up, cause he's a little heavier. Remember, this is going to be the first time a lot of these juniors work out for NFL teams. They're getting a better feel for these guys. It's not necessarily that they're moving up or down, but that scouts are getting good looks at these guys and tweaking their boards as a consequence.

                              From what I've heard from the sources I talked to, he's 307. He's still gonna run in the 4.9 to sub-4.9 range, and with 35 inch arms he could bench press 225 pounds more than 25 times. That's a heck of a workout right there. And he's got good tape. And he's 20 years old [Smith turned 20 on December 12th]. You add all that up and I wouldn't have any qualms about taking him in the top ten picks.

                              CN: You had him in your last mock going to the Redskins at 10. In the past, a lot of the nay-sayers on my site would look at the Cowboys offensive linemen profiles and history and say, there's no way Dallas takes a lineman that light, no matter how well he moves. At this weight, I can't think of any NFL team that would have misgivings selecting him.

                              WB: No, and this is how funny the NFL is. You look back at Jason Smith from Baylor, who went 2nd overall. I thought he was the 4th best OT in that class. It's kind of, who has the first say, and which player has a consensus around his spot that determines where he goes.

                              I think Tyron Smith is twice the pro prospect that Jason Smith was.




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                              • BTW Atogwe signed with Washington!!! GRRRRRRR!!!!

                                EDIT Sanders signed with SD too....
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