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  • #31
    Originally posted by baghdadbob View Post
    Finally some sense. Rather pay Prince CB money and get a CB. Peterson is ATH and much like Landry.
    A lot of people want to say that Prince is the better CB. Technical you can't argue it...because technique wise Prince is ahead of PP.

    That said Prince also hasn't done well against top NFL competition either. He just got eaten up Alshon Jeffery 2 weeks ago.

    I actually like Prince as a safety also. I think both guys could succeed at either...but there are no impact safeties in FA and no other ones in the draft...so why not try to convert one of these two DB's and let them play S.

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    • #32
      They are both cornerbacks. Why try to fix something that isn't broken.

      As for your plan D, that is pretty much spot on. One thing, is Garrett your HC?

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      • #33
        Because for one I don't think you should take a safety that high, especially one who hasn't ever played there. Safeties rarely go as high as Peterson will be picking, and he'll probably go in a slot that would make him the highest Safety ever drafted. Your willing to take that risk and put him at a brand new position? At least Eric Berry had a highly decorated career at said Safety position.


        For two, you can say he's not an elite CB now ok sure, but his measurables make him look like he can be an elite corner in the NFL and that's all that matters. You mean to tell me Darrelle Revis was locking WR's down at Pitt the same way he is now? Nope. I saw a ton of him and he showed a ton of flashes, but was still passed on and wasn't dominating the competition like your saying Peterson should have been.


        What elite CB lately has locked his side of the field down completely?


        All I'm saying is you draft a player like him, at his original position, if he only looks to be a solid player then you make the switch. CB is arguably a bigger need then FS now, look at who was in the game for us today.


        Antrelle Rolle and Malcolm Jenkins weren't even better CB prospects then PP will be, but they still got the shot to play the position they were in College first before switching. There is a TON of value in the early 2nd round being that it'll be rare for a safety to catapult up into the 1st round, but we could almost have the 1st pick of our Safety with the 2nd rounder.


        Can you say the CB's available are of that quality if we happen to look at that position there? I wouldn't be trying to draft a CB in the top 4 picks, and convert him to FS right away, if it doesn't work it'll be much harder to convert back to CB then vice versa.





        Originally posted by Scott Wright
        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by thule View Post
          A lot of people want to say that Prince is the better CB. Technical you can't argue it...because technique wise Prince is ahead of PP.

          That said Prince also hasn't done well against top NFL competition either. He just got eaten up Alshon Jeffery 2 weeks ago.

          I actually like Prince as a safety also. I think both guys could succeed at either...but there are no impact safeties in FA and no other ones in the draft...so why not try to convert one of these two DB's and let them play S.
          I have no issue taking a CB and making him a S so long as he has ball skills and FOOTBALL BRAINS.

          Prince seems the better football player and someone who can quickly make up ground in the intellectual part of the game. Peterson seems to need more time to improve technique and brains.

          Good example of ATH who needs some work on the intellectual part of the game. My man #21.

          But all things being considered, give me a CB with good fundamentals over an ATH so long as the athletics aren't crazy uneven.

          Revis is a great example of technique over talent. Cromartie is a better ATH than Revis but who is a better CB?
          Last edited by baghdadbob; 11-14-2010, 09:47 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
            Players to be put on the block:
            Martellus Bennett
            Igor Olshansky
            Orlando Scandrick

            Release Players (if you can't find trades):
            Roy Williams - $5M
            Marion Barber - $4.25M
            Bradie James - $3.5M
            Leonard Davis - $6M
            Andre Gurode - $5.5M
            Marc Colombo - $1.9M
            Clears up: $20-25M

            I hope Barber isn't let go, but I definitely think the possibility is there. Williams is a goner. As is Davis. I think there's a chance for Gurode to stay if he restructures his deal and agrees to move to OG. I think it'll be too difficult to sign 2 OGs in FA, so I think it would be in the interest of both parties to work something out. I don't think Gurode can make more on the market at this stage of his career. Colombo could be a cut casualty, but I don't think we can just rehaul the entire OL in 1 offseason and his $1.9M is not a huge savings. James is done in by the new coaching staff looking for a fresh start. I think Lee has a chance to get a lot more playing time in the second half of the season which should prepare him to start next year.

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            Do not resign:
            Alan Ball RFA - $550K
            Alex Barron - $2.73M
            Jason Hatcher - $1.8M
            Kyle Kosier - $3M
            Marcus Spears - $1.2M
            Gerald Sensabaugh - $1.8M
            What they earned in 2010: $12M

            Nothing there worth keeping.

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            Restructure:
            Terence Newman - $9M

            This is something that simply needs to get done. He doesn't deserve that much.

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            Resign:
            Stephen Bowen
            Sam Hurd
            Doug Free
            Bryan McCann

            With the moves above we should have $30-35M to spend in FA. We'll need to resign some of our own guys. Outside of Free, they should be cheap contracts.

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            FA:
            OG Logan Mankins
            S Eric Weddle
            CB Richard Marshall
            ILB David Harris

            We should have an active FA. Mankins hates NE ownership. He's earned his UFA status by joining the team last week. If he hadn't he'd hit FA once again as a RFA, and NE would have a lot of power over him. Up to us to show him the money now. As for Weddle, we saw the Chargers wrestle with Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill. I don't see them ponying up for Weddle now. It doesn't look like Carolina plans to bring Marshall back. Their loss... hopefully, our gain. There seems to be a decent crop for FA CBs. We need to get one that will help. The Jets are going to be strapped for cash. They just gave huge contracts to Revis, Mangold and D'brick Ferguson. They also have other FAs in Shaun Ellis, Antonio Cromartie, Braylon Edwards, Brodney Pool. They probably won't franchise Harris. So I see him being available.

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            Draft:
            1. DB Patrick Peterson, LSU
            2. OT Tyron Smith, USC
            3. C Mike Brewster, Ohio State
            4. DE Marvin Austin, UNC
            5. NT Phil Taylor, Baylor
            6. OG Will Rackley, Lehigh
            7. K Kai Forbath, UCLA

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            2011 Roster:
            QB Romo / Kitna / McGee
            RB Choice / Jones
            FB Gronkowski
            WR Austin / Bryant / Hurd
            TE Witten / Phillips / Bennett
            LT Free / Smith
            LG Mankins / Holland
            C Brewster / Gurode
            RG Gurode / Rackley
            RT Smith / Young

            DE Bowen / Austin
            NT Taylor / Brent
            DE Ratliff / Olshansky
            OLB Ware / Butler
            ILB Harris / L.Williams
            ILB Lee / Brooking
            OLB Spencer / B.Williams
            CB Marshall / Scandrick
            CB Jenkins / McCann
            CB Newman
            FS Peterson / McCray
            SS Weddle / Church

            K Buehler
            K Forbath
            KR Peterson
            PR Bryant
            LS Lacodeur
            1) So you are going to cut 4 starting OL and sign 1 FA OL?
            2) Harris from the Jets has back problems. Luv UoM but this might be a bad signing
            3) Has Weddle played that well to give that kind of cash?

            Anyway, time to have fun I guess at 2-7

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            • #36
              Just because Peterson is 6'2'' 215 doesn't mean he has to be a safety and can't run. It's such a stupid stereotype and assumption. Like thule posted from an observation from a PRO SCOUT, he is the best corner to come out of the SEC since champ bailey. CORNERBACK.

              He is the calvin johnson of corner's. Just cause he's huge doesn't mean he has to play safety. It's stupid.

              Jenkins and Rolle couldn't buy Peterson's fluidity and lateral quickness with all the money in the world, let alone top end speed. The kid is a freak CB. stop the safety talk. Maybe when he's 34, he can pull a rod woodson, sure. But now, no.

              EDIT: and honestly bob, just leave dude. We're trying to have quality discussions and all you do is spam about how everything is awful. Patrick Peterson could be the best CB of all time and we could win the next 5 super bowls and you'd still be saying some about how the cowboys aren't good. Just stop dude.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by baghdadbob View Post
                1) So you are going to cut 4 starting OL and sign 1 FA OL?
                2) Harris from the Jets has back problems. Luv UoM but this might be a bad signing
                3) Has Weddle played that well to give that kind of cash?

                Anyway, time to have fun I guess at 2-7
                1) Check again. That's not what I suggested. Gurode is still starting... Just at OG. If we can sign 2 FA OGs, then I'd say cut Gurode too if he doesn't agree to restructure. I have no problems cutting Davis and Colombo and then not giving an extension to Kosier. I can see a situation where Colombo is kept. He only makes $1.9M next season. But I would hope that he's on a short leash and that he could be replaced very early by a rookie who we drafted in early Round 2.

                2) I didn't know Harris had back problems... Thanks.

                3) Weddle is receiving what kind of cash? I didn't suggest anything. But I do think he's at least a decent player at SS. I thought about Bernard Pollard, but I don't see him leaving Houston. I wouldn't mind Champ Bailey and putting him at Safety, but I don't think the posters here have that kind of open mindedness. The thought definitely intrigues myself though.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by CDCB14 View Post
                  Just because Peterson is 6'2'' 215 doesn't mean he has to be a safety and can't run. It's such a stupid stereotype and assumption. Like thule posted from an observation from a PRO SCOUT, he is the best corner to come out of the SEC since champ bailey. CORNERBACK.

                  He is the calvin johnson of corner's. Just cause he's huge doesn't mean he has to play safety. It's stupid.

                  Jenkins and Rolle couldn't buy Peterson's fluidity and lateral quickness with all the money in the world, let alone top end speed. The kid is a freak CB. stop the safety talk. Maybe when he's 34, he can pull a rod woodson, sure. But now, no.

                  EDIT: and honestly bob, just leave dude. We're trying to have quality discussions and all you do is spam about how everything is awful. Patrick Peterson could be the best CB of all time and we could win the next 5 super bowls and you'd still be saying some about how the cowboys aren't good. Just stop dude.
                  First off... I don't care what ONE pro scout said. Because I know for a fact that other pro scouts have mentioned that his best position might be at Safety.

                  IMO, I really question whether he has the fluid hips to play CB at the next level. I question his suddenness and ability to change direction. When you're a guy of that size you don't just turn your body on a dime. I know I haven't seen it in him. That's why many think Amakumara is the best pure corner in the draft.

                  I think there is a huge misbelief that CB is more important that Safety. That it's more difficult to fill than S. I honestly am not sold. PP could probably be a Pro Bowl CB... but if he can be an All Pro Safety, I'm playing him at S.

                  Feel free to continue to criticize my suggestion for him at S. I think I know how we'll be looking back on this debate in the future.

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                  • #39
                    Conspiracy theorist here: What if Garrett threw the first half of the season to get Wade fired? Suddenly the Cowboys start winning... huge payday from Jerruh. Stranger things have happened.

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                    • #40
                      I don't think we're getting PP anyway. They lions are gonna finish with a worse record and snag him. I'm honestly hoping for a few more wins now, getting into the bottom of the top ten to take prince. We're not gonna have a shot at Peterson, to nice of a dream to be true, so might as well get some wins.

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                      • #41
                        If we play like we did yesterday, 6 wins is a possibility, so that puts us in a 6th-12th pick area. Another thing is, if Garrett gets the job, I doubt we're going to have a serious house cleaning.

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                        • #42
                          They made a point on the radio today, that what if they o-line plays like this from here on out?

                          THAT WOULD SUCK. Colombo and Davis would probably be kept.

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                          • #43
                            Guys... don't overreact from the Giants win. The Giants are an overrated team who isn't as good as everyone makes them out to be.

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                            • #44
                              That doesn't discourage keeping the o-line if they play well down the stretch.. Which would suck.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by CDCB14 View Post
                                That doesn't discourage keeping the o-line if they play well down the stretch.. Which would suck.
                                Our OL is both aging and expensive. 2 things that don't go too well with each other. THEN if you also add in that they have already shown signs of poor play (which they have), then you spell doom.

                                OL changes are most definitely happening. If they play well down the stretch, then maybe a couple of them (Colombo - because he is cheap and Gurode - because he can play C or G) may have worth for keeping around 1 more year until the new guys are ready from the draft.

                                But let me say this too....

                                Don't be surprised if Doug Free is ultimately moved back to the right. He's had some ugly moments at times this year at LT. Still willing to let him work it out though. It's not time to give up on him there just yet.

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