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    I want your opinion on Roy, arguable the most known cowboys' player.
    Some people (including the media) say he's the most ovverated player in the game, but a part of us really loves him.
    I really like the guy, and I think that he's a true playmaker. Last year he started the season very well. He was playing good in coverage too, no one could run past him and he was turning into a ball hawk. After the Eagles game everyone was putting his finger against him, but all those big plays were Watkins' fault, as Bill said in his conference after the game.
    Then after mid season he was playing way worse. I don't know why, maybe because we couldn't get pressure on the QB or maybe because he was asked to play cover 2. Do you remember when Woody was still playing? Roy was amazing, simply amazing.
    I know that someone can say that the role of safety is to cover the deep ball, and if he can't do that he can't play safety, but I don't really agree with them. With a good FS along him, Roy is a great player and he makes plays after plays.
    Do you remember the crucial game against Indy? The game was tied, Indy had a first and 10 on the 11. 2 & 6, Roy came all across the line and tackled Addai for a two yards loss. Then on third down, he bumped Clark and came with a huge interception. Later he gave up a TD to Clark, but how many safeties could match one on one with Dallas Clark with ease?
    In my opinion, Roy has his liabilities, but he brings those sort of plays that a great defense need. I agree that his somehow ovverated, but i would never bench him, is a special player. He needs the right situation to play effectively.
    Which are your thoughts?


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    He's definately a cowboys favorite. I think most of us love Roy, we were just upset with this last year. I think roy was put under a microscrope this last year and people really started to see that he does have some problems in coverage. Its really up to him to do something in the off-season to get himself ready to play at a higher level though. He needs improvment and it seemed like all of the criticism really got to his head last season. I dont even remember a big hit from roy last year. Hopefully he dropped a couple lbs and is allowed to play in the box this year since thats where his strengths are.
    Last edited by Burns336; 03-25-2007, 07:00 PM.

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    • #3
      I really like this guy. He is a definite playmaker. After midseason last year, WE were forced to use him as a center fielder in the zone. Our LBers were to ***** to jam in WR or TE coming off the line. I blame Zimmer for this. OUR LBers did change the TE/Wrs direction, all they did was maybe touch them, this led to Williams being vulnerable. Williams is great if he plays where he needs to play, near the LOS.

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      • #4
        I have faught about this with everybody I work with. HE IS A PLAYMAKER. Champ Bailey gets smoked when there is no pressure on the quarterback. I don't think he is the best safety, but I would not trade him for many. And there is no way to calculate how many passes have been dropped because wide receivers know he is back there.

        If we get a consistent pass rush this year, he WILL make plays. If we don't, he will probably get smoked.

        When the Cowboys drafted Roy Williams, no one thought, "This guy is really gonna cover the deep ball great!" We all thought, "Someone is fixing to get lit up!" And I think he has lit plenty of people up.

        Mark my words, no pass rush, they will all get smoked. Good pass rush, and we will have ourselves multiple pro bowl defensive backs.

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        • #5
          Glad he's on our team. I'll tell you that! Love the guy and would rather have him than a lot of other safeties out there. One of the few actual PLAYMAKERS on our team.

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          • #6
            I am one of the guys who believe Roy Williams is overrated by most Cowboys fans, but underrated by most of the media who believe he is overrated...in other words, Williams is a very good safety who is extremely important to the Cowboys as they are now. Sure he has some weaknesses in coverage, but he also makes a ton of plays, both in coverage and in run support. In fact, I think he might have the best hands on the defense, and seems to come up with big picks when we need them most.

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            • #7
              Roy will be fine. I think much of the problem last year was scheme. Wade will fix that immediately.
              In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


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              • #8
                The media hates him because the media has to make some cowboys player look bad....
                With that said it seemed to me that he was more comfortable when he had Woodson beside him. I dont think he had enough time to learn from Woody about the coverages the way Woody could play in them.
                With that said he hasn't had one guy to work with back there in a long time. How many guys have started opposite of him? I'll names the ones I can think of: Tony Dixon, Lynn Scott, Tony Parrish, Pat Watkins, Keith Davis and there is one more I can't think of at the time.
                What I am mean is he is a great player, but he has holes in his game. Those holes are mainly coverage or speed lately since he has gained weight.
                I think with the addition of Hamlin it will make things even worse, he only signed him for one year. What happens next year? Another guy, Watkins, re-sign Hamlin? What I mean is it is hard enough in this league to have chemistry with teammates and that is what Woody and Roy had. Since then we have gone through at least five guys next to him and none have succeeded but maybe that is because we have not allowed for the chemistry we have seen a guy make mistakes and we replace him.
                You have to give guys time to gel. I know I have gotten off the topic of what I think of Williams, but I will finish up typing with this final line.
                Watkins is the guy we should have play next to him for next year instead of rotating guys like crazy. We need chemistry with Roy and we have gone through too many guys in 2 years to give him someone he is comfortable playing with which is something we need to do.

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                • #9
                  If Roy can play on the level he played at the beginning of last year all season, we'll have no problems. Otherwise... he'd better start improving.

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                  • #10
                    If Roy can not cover a TE he has no business playing SS. He will be more effective at FS in either Cover 0 or Cover 1. Otherwise he is a liability. Maybe he can lose some weight and improve technique and prove me wrong.

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                    • #11
                      we tend to make him do things oklahoma never asked him to do, when he's used properly at what he does best, he is probably one of the best in the game....


                      alot of safeties who are pro bowlers have weakness, roy cant line up and cover shockey man to man, but we shouldnt be asking him to either, he's our SS trying to cover off man a TE who can run like a WR...then everyone calls him over rated when he gets broken down in coverage, i dont blame all those long plays on him....i really think with good FS play he will come into his own like before, and find a way to make a play when we need it...


                      he's always done this, his whole career...we just need to put him in better situations to do it, those that are familiar know how he was used in college, and when we had darren woodson, he was asked to do more last year, and it hurt him and it showed on the field, he struggled....hopefully wade's scheme and hamlin get us back on track





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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by robert_in_bigd View Post
                        If Roy can not cover a TE he has no business playing SS. He will be more effective at FS in either Cover 0 or Cover 1. Otherwise he is a liability. Maybe he can lose some weight and improve technique and prove me wrong.
                        id like a list of SS in the league that can cover shockey, winslow, or gonzalez, man to man, off the line with no bump, with the TE standing up....


                        and please lets be realistic, thats an advantage for the offense, disadvantage defense every time...you should not be asking your SS to do this, especially with the TE releasing freely, athletic TE's will run circles around SS these days....


                        if they are athletic and fast enough, to run routes on DB's and manage to get open, which shockey and winslow did all season, why would it make sense for us to get on roy when he gets beat by shockey? ive seen shockey beat Corners, Strong safeties and Free safeties, especially with no bump from any LB, thats not what you traditionally want to ask your SS to do, i dont knoow too many teams that feel comfortable with that matchup, thus the word mis-match should be properly used when you see that on field....





                        Originally posted by Scott Wright
                        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by robert_in_bigd View Post
                          If Roy can not cover a TE he has no business playing SS. He will be more effective at FS in either Cover 0 or Cover 1. Otherwise he is a liability. Maybe he can lose some weight and improve technique and prove me wrong.
                          you dont get it SS dont need to COVER! iv'e explained it to you many times along with others he plays the run...in our 3-4 it is the responsibility of one of the lb's to caover the tight end....bottom line ROY is a GREAT SS...a TERRIBLE FS...FS have to cover like corner backs

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mtmock View Post
                            you dont get it SS dont need to COVER! iv'e explained it to you many times along with others he plays the run...in our 3-4 it is the responsibility of one of the lb's to caover the tight end....bottom line ROY is a GREAT SS...a TERRIBLE FS...FS have to cover like corner backs
                            Actually it depends on the defensive play call. It could be either or it could be both in one play. So stop arguing who's right. I'm right. :D

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                              Actually it depends on the defensive play call. It could be either or it could be both in one play. So stop arguing who's right. I'm right. :D
                              you only think youre right...ur wrong...period.

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