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    We already have a thread about who your favorite player at each position is, so I think it's about time that we have a thread with you entire big board for the Cowboys draft. Let's leave out the guys who are surefire top 10 picks for now (i. e. Johnson, Thomas, Quinn, Russell, etc.).

    I'll get mine up in about 1/2 an hour.

  • #2
    Originally posted by JJJ888 View Post
    We already have a thread about who your favorite player at each position is, so I think it's about time that we have a thread with you entire big board for the Cowboys draft. Let's leave out the guys who are surefire top 10 picks for now (i. e. Johnson, Thomas, Quinn, Russell, etc.).

    I'll get mine up in about 1/2 an hour.
    Is there really a consensus top 10? I mean guys like Russell, Quinn, Peterson, Thomas, Adams, Johnson are probably the only sure fire top 10 picks.

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    • #3
      how bout this as a big board for 22
      1. chris houston cb
      2. robert meacham
      3. darryl revis cb
      4. dewayne jarret wr
      The d-ware show 2006

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      • #4
        Originally posted by leroyisgod View Post
        Is there really a consensus top 10? I mean guys like Russell, Quinn, Peterson, Thomas, Adams, Johnson are probably the only sure fire top 10 picks.
        I would say that Johson, Thomas, Peterson, Quinn, Russell, Landry, Adams, Brown, Lynch and Okoye certainly won't fall to us...but I'll let you define how you want to do it.

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        • #5
          I disagree, I've seen Levi Brown rated as low as low 20's by people like Mike Mayock. Marshawn Lynch and Jamaal Anderson are also possible falling players.

          The only 'locks' for us not to have a shot at after 10 are AD, Quinn, Russell, Johnson, Thomas, Adams and Landry.

          Designs by Thule



          Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
          I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by leroyisgod View Post
            Is there really a consensus top 10? I mean guys like Russell, Quinn, Peterson, Thomas, Adams, Johnson are probably the only sure fire top 10 picks.
            I think JJJ is just trying to elimate some of the ridiculousness. So if you feel someone will be available outside of the top 10 and wish to put them on your big board.... Go for it.

            Here's mine as of 3/27/07.

            1. Alan Branch - 34 inch thighs! That's my waist! Is all we really NEED next year. Could get major playing time right away. Pivotal piece of the 3-4.
            2. Chris Houston - Great field production, great measurables... My kind of guy.
            3. Dwayne Jarrett - Clutch. Playmaker.
            4. DeMarcus Tyler - The need is glaring and Tank is a bad ass muthafkr.
            5. Aaron Ross - The guy just jumps out on film. Very impressive prospect w/Safety versatility.
            6. Jarvis Moss - Ware + Moss = Beastly Pass rush.
            7. Joe Staley - I still have a lot of questions about him.
            8. Dwyane Bowe - Smooth WR who is the complete package.
            9. Patrick Willis - Would turn into the heart of the defense sooner rather than later.
            10. Adam Carriker - This low due to the youth we already have at the position.
            11. Ben Grubbs - Premium quality beef.
            12. Robert Meachem - Workout warrior?
            13. Paul Posluszny - Tantalizing prospect who will do damage in the NFL.
            14. Darrelle Revis - Stock dropping big time on my board.
            15. Marshawyn Lynch - If the guys above are gone and we don't have a trade partner.

            Noteable Ommissions:
            Leon Hall - Diminutive CB who I just never liked.
            Ted Ginn - Too high of a bust factor and the rewards don't exceed that of other top WRs.
            Michael Griffin - Safety concerns are not at the top of the list.
            Reggie Nelson - I just don't buy it with Hamlin on board. If Hamlin doesn't work out, we can address it again next year.

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            • #7
              Ok here it is:

              1. Leon Hall, CB, Michigan—A cornerback with superb instincts and football smarts who can jam, blitz, cover man-to-man, or play zone. Will be the nickel corner some of 2007 and certainly in 2008, then can assume the starting position as Anthony Henry begins to wear down. Also has the ability to play free safety in case Hamlin and/or Watkins don’t pan out. (Note: I included Hall since there seems to be some discrepancy among different teams' rankings of the cornerbacks in the draft).

              2. Alan Branch, DT, Michigan—The only player in the entire draft with the potential to start at nose tackle this season, Branch is a massive player with the potential to get even bigger. If he plays to his potential, Branch has the largest potential impact of almost any player in the draft on the Cowboys this season. There are, however, questions about his motor and determination. Nevertheless, Branch is a fantastic athlete and even has the potential to play end in the 3-4.

              3. Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC—Jarrett excelled in college; he was one of the game’s most productive receivers while playing against top competition nearly every week. Has amazing hands and seems always to make the catch in traffic. A definite red-zone threat because of his size and leaping ability. Adequate, albeit not spectacular, route-runner. Jarrett is not a deep-threat, but will occasionally make the play deep by taking advantage of match-ups with smaller, weaker corners. Has the potential to be a #1 wide receiver, but the question is as to where he would fit in for the time being.

              4. Darrell Revis, CB, Pittsburgh—A corner who is solid in all areas, but excels in none. Can play physical at the line, or back off and play zone. Is also a good tackler who can help in run support. Unlike Hall, he does not have experience at free safety, but he can contribute in the near-term future as a return man. Like Jarrett, however, his role this season would have to be determined, since there seems to be no definite place for him in the defensive backfield.

              5. Aaron Ross, CB, Texas—Another excellent athlete with great potential as a corner. Has good speed and size, which he uses to his advantage both in coverage and run support. Won the Thorpe Award this season and is a local prospect. Also would contribute in the return game, but like Revis, his role for this season would seem undetermined.

              6. Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State—An amazing athlete with more than enough speed to be a deep threat. Is still very raw and has amazing potential, one of those guys who could define the word “playmaker.” His height is somewhat questionable, but he is not known as a possession receiver who needs to use his body to ward off defenders. Might complement Crayton better if Crayton ever becomes a starter. Ginn can certainly contribute as a return man.

              7. Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee—Has a great blend of size and speed, Meachem can be either a possession receiver or a deep threat. Is good, not great, after the catch. Will struggle against physical corners and going into the middle of the field. Nevertheless he has good hands and plenty of upside, and may be the most rounded receiver in the draft after Calvin Johnson.

              8. Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss—A great athlete who can do whatever it takes to be a linebacker on the NFL level. Plays well against the run and on the blitz and is solid in coverage. Would definitely add speed to a position that is seemingly lacking in that quality and could immediately contribute in the nickel. Also could be a very good team leader. Has the size to play inside linebacker in the 3-4. (Note: the more I think about this, the more I like Willis…he may be moving up).

              9. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU—A solid, but not spectacular receiver who does the little things. Bowe is a great route-runner and has very good hands with excellent size. Like Jarrett he is not a deep threat, but is certainly a solid red zone threat. Will not make the amazing catch like Jarrett. Very coachable and has lots of potential.

              10. Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas—A corner with top speed and ability in man-to-man. May not have that same potential in zone, due to his lackluster size and strength. Does not have great instincts. Could be a workout warrior and one of the potential busts of the draft.

              11. Ben Grubbs, OG, Auburn—A guard with raw potential who can provide solid depth this year, and the potential to be a high-quality starter in the future.

              12. Justin Blalock, OG/OT, Texas—A former tackle with amazing strength who will most likely play guard in the pros, but can also provide insurance at tackle. His inconsistency puts him slightly below Grubbs at this point.

              13. Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan—A tremendous athlete with quick feet, smarts, and good strength. Can be the future at left tackle once Flozell moves on or retires.

              Other guys to consider (possibly with a trade down):
              Marcus McAuley
              Arron Sears
              Sidney Rice
              Demarcus Tyler

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              • #8
                My big board ( I won't really comment on them since they've been 'scouted' already).

                1) Aaron Ross
                2) Darrell Revis
                3) Robert Meachem
                4) Patrick Willis
                5) Dwayne Bowe
                6) Alan Branch
                7) Chris Houston
                8) Brandon Merriweather / Michael Griffin (based on BPA, not necessarily a need position, but Hamlin's deal is only a short term deal).

                Designs by Thule



                Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.

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                • #9
                  I don't exactly like the word big board...I'll put down what I have
                  possible targets in bold
                  Tier One
                  1.Calvin Johnson
                  2.JaMarcus Russell
                  3.Brady Quinn
                  4.Joe Thomas
                  5.Adrian Peterson - If he feel out of the top 10 and we could ship JJ I would want him.
                  6.Laron Landry
                  7.Gaines Adams
                  8.Adam Carriker
                  9.Leon Hall - Worth moving up some spots if he falls

                  Second Tier
                  10.Jamaal Anderson
                  11.Amobi Okoye
                  12.Darrelle Revis - Best CB we have a chance at.
                  13.Patrick Willis
                  14.Levi Brown - Future LT maybe trade up if he's still around after 15
                  15.Alan Branch - Trade up if he falls past SF
                  16.Ted Ginn - Great pick if available at 22
                  17.Marshawn Lynch
                  18.Jarvis Moss -
                  19.Reggie Nelson
                  20.Robert Meachem
                  21.Dwayne Bowe - Would take him if we moved down a bit.

                  Tier Three
                  22.Paul Posluszny
                  23.Dwayne Jarrett - Could be BPA at 22.
                  24.Chris Houston
                  25.Joe Staley - Future LT
                  26.Greg Olsen
                  27.Aaron Ross - Slight reach..but just what the doctor ordered
                  28.Ben Grubbs - Interior OL depth is needed
                  29.Anthony Spencer - Favorite pass rusher in the draft
                  30.Charles Johnson
                  31.Jon Beason
                  32.Lawrence Timmons

                  Tier 4
                  34.Ryan Kalil
                  35.Michael Griffin
                  36.Justin Blalock - Versatility and depth
                  37.Brandon Meriweather
                  38.Tony Ugoh - darkhorse imo if we move down
                  39.DeMarcus Tyler - Can't argue with his ability
                  40.Trent Edwards
                  41.Marcus McCauley - My Fav
                  42.Drew Stanton
                  43.Aaron Sears - Someone who could do could things for us depth wise
                  44.Sidney Rice - If he is avail at 53 we take him
                  45.Brian Leonard
                  Last edited by thule; 03-27-2007, 06:30 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JJJ888 View Post
                    Ok here it is:

                    1. Leon Hall, CB, Michigan—A cornerback with superb instincts and football smarts who can jam, blitz, cover man-to-man, or play zone. Will be the nickel corner some of 2007 and certainly in 2008, then can assume the starting position as Anthony Henry begins to wear down. Also has the ability to play free safety in case Hamlin and/or Watkins don’t pan out. (Note: I included Hall since there seems to be some discrepancy among different teams' rankings of the cornerbacks in the draft).

                    4. Darrell Revis, CB, Pittsburgh—A corner who is solid in all areas, but excels in none. Can play physical at the line, or back off and play zone. Is also a good tackler who can help in run support. Unlike Hall, he does not have experience at free safety, but he can contribute in the near-term future as a return man. Like Jarrett, however, his role this season would have to be determined, since there seems to be no definite place for him in the defensive backfield.

                    6. Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State—An amazing athlete with more than enough speed to be a deep threat. Is still very raw and has amazing potential, one of those guys who could define the word “playmaker.” His height is somewhat questionable, but he is not known as a possession receiver who needs to use his body to ward off defenders. Might complement Crayton better if Crayton ever becomes a starter. Ginn can certainly contribute as a return man.

                    10. Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas—A corner with top speed and ability in man-to-man. May not have that same potential in zone, due to his lackluster size and strength. Does not have great instincts. Could be a workout warrior and one of the potential busts of the draft.
                    I'll just add a few comments on the ones that I don't see eye to eye with you on.

                    Hall - He frequently disappeared in big games which concerns me. He was surrounded by elite talent and I think he's been somewhat a beneficiary of that.

                    Revis - The reason why he is significantly down on my list is because he seems to lack game speed. His overall production is limited to a few highlights where it seems he was lucky. He's shown 3rd round production, but will probably be drafted mid to late 1st round. From reports I've read, he's not a good student of the game. Graded by his upside, but that may not ever be reached.

                    Ginn - I think he has one of the highest ceilings of most draft prospects this year. But I have my doubts that he'll ever get there. I think of him as a track star more than a football player. A one trick pony at this point. Average hands, doesn't make good adjustments to the ball in the air, route running is below average and is a poor blocker.

                    Houston - I have to respectfully disagree with you on your analysis of him. He was the undisputed top SEC corner during the 2006 season. He started the season off with a bang by playing a very physical game against USC's Dwayne Jarrett, effectively removing him from the game. He's carried that physicality and aggressiveness right through the season while facing some of the toughest receivers in the SEC (Robert Meachem, Andre Caldwell, Dwayne Bowe, Earl Bennett, Sidney Rice).

                    Lackluster strength??? He possesses unequaled strength for the position. At the combine, he did 27 bench reps, more than most offensive and defensive linemen.

                    He's got great strength and physicality, combined with aggressiveness. Houston takes many receivers out of the play immediately after the snap with a great jam at the LOS. He has great hand placement and can knock the receiver off balance immediately. If Houston is playing off the receiver, he has quick feet in his backpedal and shows excellent hip flip to turn and run with the receiver. He has the speed to run with the fastest receivers and the height, long arms, and body control to get up and attack the ball at its highest point. He can break on the ball well when it's in front of him and has the speed to make up ground when necessary.

                    He could stand to improve on INTs as he is often times in position to make the play. Needs to turn some of those pass deflections into INTs. Also could stand to improve in run support.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by thule View Post
                      I don't exactly like the word big board...I'll put down what I have

                      Tier One
                      1.Calvin Johnson
                      2.JaMarcus Russell
                      3.Brady Quinn
                      4.Joe Thomas
                      5.Adrian Peterson
                      6.Laron Landry
                      7.Gaines Adams
                      8.Adam Carriker
                      9.Leon Hall

                      Second Tier
                      10.Jamaal Anderson
                      11.Amobi Okoye
                      12.Darrelle Revis
                      13.Patrick Willis
                      14.Levi Brown
                      15.Alan Branch
                      16.Ted Ginn
                      17.Marshawn Lynch
                      18.Jarvis Moss
                      19.Reggie Nelson
                      20.Robert Meachem
                      21.Dwayne Bowe

                      Tier Three
                      22.Paul Posluszny
                      23.Dwayne Jarrett
                      24.Chris Houston
                      25.Joe Staley
                      26.Greg Olsen
                      27.Aaron Ross
                      28.Ben Grubbs
                      29.Anthony Spencer
                      30.Charles Johnson
                      31.Jon Beason
                      32.Lawrence Timmons

                      Tier 4
                      34.Ryan Kalil
                      35.Michael Griffin
                      36.Justin Blalock
                      37.Brandon Meriweather
                      38.Tony Ugoh
                      39.DeMarcus Tyler
                      40.Trent Edwards
                      41.Marcus McCauley
                      42.Drew Stanton
                      43.Aaron Sears
                      44.Sidney Rice
                      45.Brian Leonard
                      I think JJJ inteded this for a Cowboys Big Board, not a general one. One that would suit our concerns.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                        I'll just add a few comments on the ones that I don't see eye to eye with you on.

                        Hall - He frequently disappeared in big games which concerns me. He was surrounded by elite talent and I think he's been somewhat a beneficiary of that.
                        Showed at the combine that noone was really on the same level..that really erased the surrounded by elite talent questions for me

                        Revis - The reason why he is significantly down on my list is because he seems to lack game speed. His overall production is limited to a few highlights where it seems he was lucky. He's shown 3rd round production, but will probably be drafted mid to late 1st round. From reports I've read, he's not a good student of the game. Graded by his upside, but that may not ever be reached.
                        I'm surprised your so down on him. He has the ability to play FS as well..which you seem to love about Ross. I don't know where you've read about his study habbits. But everything I've read shows good recognition in all types of coverage. He can play either CB position...One quote that really questions where you got he wasn't a student of the game is this one "Smart player who thinks well on his feet and can handle different assignments, making him more than capable to digest a complicated playbook". 3rd round production....please eight interceptions, 25 pass deflections in 35 games is first round production.

                        Ginn - I think he has one of the highest ceilings of most draft prospects this year. But I have my doubts that he'll ever get there. I think of him as a track star more than a football player. A one trick pony at this point. Average hands, doesn't make good adjustments to the ball in the air, route running is below average and is a poor blocker.
                        Noone will truely know...I agree with everything here

                        Houston - I have to respectfully disagree with you on your analysis of him. He was the undisputed top SEC corner during the 2006 season. He started the season off with a bang by playing a very physical game against USC's Dwayne Jarrett, effectively removing him from the game. He's carried that physicality and aggressiveness right through the season while facing some of the toughest receivers in the SEC (Robert Meachem, Andre Caldwell, Dwayne Bowe, Earl Bennett, Sidney Rice).
                        Can't knock his production...I'm still worried about his mental game. Really he is a lock and and play CB...he breaks out of his backpedal to early more often then not...this spells pass interference to me. Ahmad Carroll 2.0

                        Lackluster strength??? He possesses unequaled strength for the position. At the combine, he did 27 bench reps, more than most offensive and defensive linemen.

                        He's got great strength and physicality, combined with aggressiveness. Houston takes many receivers out of the play immediately after the snap with a great jam at the LOS. He has great hand placement and can knock the receiver off balance immediately. If Houston is playing off the receiver, he has quick feet in his backpedal and shows excellent hip flip to turn and run with the receiver. He has the speed to run with the fastest receivers and the height, long arms, and body control to get up and attack the ball at its highest point. He can break on the ball well when it's in front of him and has the speed to make up ground when necessary.

                        He could stand to improve on INTs as he is often times in position to make the play. Needs to turn some of those pass deflections into INTs. Also could stand to improve in run support.
                        answers in bold

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                          I think JJJ inteded this for a Cowboys Big Board, not a general one. One that would suit our concerns.
                          I'll edit it then.

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                          • #14
                            Here is my big board on OUR needs:

                            1. Reggie Nelson- I know we sign Hamlin, but it was dirt cheap, and he isn't really a true FS. If Nelson is on the board I still don't see how we can pass him up. It could be the answer at FS we have been looking for all of these years.

                            2. Robert Meachem- He is a great all around WR. Great size to speed ratio, good production in college. Has some of the best hands in the draft. He did only have one great year as a junior, but he has all the tools to be a great NFL WR, and could be our future #1. We wouldn't miss a beat when Glenn, T.O., or both leave.

                            3. Levi Brown- A good all around OT. He may or may not be here at this point, but he is worth having on the big board. He could be our future LT if and when Flo leaves via FA. Can play both tackle positions. Would be a steal at this point.

                            4. Chris Houston- Although I am opposed to a CB at 22, I am in love with this kid. He has so much raw potention it is hard not to like him. One of the strongest pound for pound players in this draft. Also has elite measurables.

                            5. Jarvis Moss- I don't really like the idea of another LB as well, but if Carp moves inside I guess we have to. The wild card is Kevin Burnett, I think the FO has to find out what is Burnett's role before our draft. Is he a career back-up player until he leaves via FA, or does he become our Donnie Edwards like Thule suggests? Either way, Moss is a dominant pass rusher.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by thule View Post
                              answers in bold
                              I can see why some people like Hall. I just don't. Too finesse, disappears in big games and I just don't see him fitting in Wade's style of defense which is hard knocks. I admit, he's got plenty of speed, fluid hips, and the talent is there. However, I don't see the fit. As a FS, I almost hate the idea.

                              Revis as a FS is a different outlook than at CB. At CB, I'm not his biggest fan. I think he'll get beat a lot in the NFL especially by the smaller faster recievers. He's a step slower than Houston and Hall. As far as the him being a student of the game, I would say that his numbers certainly don't show improvement over time. It does show consistency, which is good, but the fact that there is no growth bothers me. He looks slow on film.

                              From Scouts Inc. "Lacks elite speed and quick-twitch athleticism. His hips are fluid but he doesn't display ideal lateral quickness. He will struggle to match-up one-on-one versus NFL's quicker and faster wide receivers. While he is elusive and shows some burst as a return man, he lacks ideal acceleration in that department. However, he is a fluid cover corner with very good size, natural instincts and toughness. He displays adequate man-to-man cover skills but we feel he's better suited to play in a zone-heavy defensive scheme. Adding to Revis' NFL value is his potential to make an impact as a punt-return specialist."

                              Once again it boils down to on field production. Pittsburgh didn't have many hard games on their schedule...so his stats don't impress me much. He wasn't matched up against top competition.

                              He is on my big board though... just a bit down on it.

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