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  • Originally posted by Ward View Post
    Or is it possible that all the most expensive decisions (top picks, big name FA) are all made by Jerry himself since it is his money. While the Henson deal wasn't very expensive, we still lost on that Jerry gamble. Meaning, on all the stuff the FO gets to actually decide on, they do well.

    This is just one possibility.
    No, not really. The only one i guess you can really put on Jerry is the Roy Williams trade, but then again you have to really imagine that the FO had a hand in that deal as well.

    Barbie, Al Johnson, Julia Jones, Spears, Stephen Peterman and Jacob Rogers were all Parcells' guys. Not to mention all the Bruce Thorntons and Skyler Greens of the world.

    And remember that Parcells collaborated with Jerry on that trade out of the first round when we could and should have taken Steven Jackson. We were trotting out Richie Anderson, Aveion Cason and Troy ************* Hambrick the year before, and all of us were hoping and praying for the Patriots and Broncos to pass on RBs, and after Jackson who had already mentioned he'd love to come play in Dallas fell to our lap, they felt the need to back out. ****.

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    • Cowboys lose Grantham to Georgia

      Cowboys defensive line coach Todd Grantham has bolted for Georgia, where he'll become the Bulldogs' defensive coordinator.

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      • bleh. Wasn't he a parcells guy anyways?

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        • Originally posted by thule View Post
          bleh. Wasn't he a parcells guy anyways?
          We re-hired Pasqualoni to replace him.

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          • Originally posted by Ward View Post
            We re-hired Pasqualoni to replace him.
            Pasqualoni blows. That the best we could do? I liked Grantham.

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            • Parcells had his fair share of hits and misses, but for some reason, he gets a free pass on his misses while Jerry's mistakes are magnified. I don't get why some people do that. Does the media feed that into their minds? BP is a HOF coach! He can't do no wrong! Jerry is a businessman, not a football man... He doesn't know WTF he is doing!

              ... I really think people think that... and they can't get over the fact that Jerry got rid of Jimmy. To this day, he gets crucified for it. It amazes me. What has Jimmy ever done outside of Dallas? Troy Aikman was a Jerry call. Steve Walsh was a Jimmy call. But people give all the credit to the talent acquisition to Jimmy (who did well, not discrediting that), but it was a partnership.

              I absolutely love BP, but I'm not going to preach that he didn't have many mistakes in his gambles. Especially on the OL. He could not draft an OL to save his life. Our OL today is a credit to Jerry. Flozell, Gurode, Davis, Free... all Jerry picks. Kosier and Columbo trace back to BP, but this is Kosier's first really good year. ha. The way we acquired Columbo was pure greatness, so I gotta give BP credit for that. Bottomline, BP whiffed a lot and gets by.

              I'd even say BP whiffed 50/50 on our DL. For every Ratliff (6th) and Canty (4th), there was a Spears (1st), Hatcher (3rd), Montavious Stanley (5th?).... BP whiffed on those earlier picks too. Not just Jerry.

              BP also got rid of Jerry guys... Antonio Bryant... Obviously Jerry was right when he evaluated that talent. BP tried to overwrite Gurode at C when he took Al Johnson... then realized he was wrong and Gurode eventually took back his natural position. Austin was brought in during the Parcells era, but Parcells certainly didn't develop under Parcells. That was the Wade era through and through.

              We love crucifying BP for passing on Steven Jackson, but he did bring us Barber, so yea. Props there.

              BP never got our secondary right. First off, he didn't want Newman... Secondly, he brought in Henry. I liked Henry in the beginning but injuries derailed him. So I can't fault that. Roy was definintely Jerry's guy... So bomb Jerry on that one. But Jaques Reeves was a BP guy. As was Watkins, Beriault, Thornton, etc... BP never was an advocate of addressing our secondary properly. He was all about the front 7.

              The lesson is that hits and misses happen. No one should get a free pass on their misses, and no one should get more credit than they deserve on hits. Jerry gets bashed too much. BP gets praised too much. When people look at the truth of the matter, a more balanced opinion is formed.

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              • Don't forget about the POS Nate Jones. Parcells also hated Dat Nguyen, and he was a stud for us, even in BP's scheme.

                Also D, getting Barber is not enough for passing on Jackson. SJax is 10x the RB MBIII ever was, and with a way smaller workload both in college AND the NFL, Barber is already showing signs of deterioration. I don't think it's even close.
                Last edited by MetSox17; 01-15-2010, 01:14 PM.

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                • Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                  Don't forget about the POS Nate Jones. Parcells also hated Dat Nguyen, and he was a stud for us, even in BP's scheme.

                  Also D, getting Barber is not enough for passing on Jackson. SJax is 10x the RB MBIII ever was, and with a way smaller workload both in college AND the NFL, Barber is already showing signs of deterioration. I don't think it's even close.
                  LL just said that people here give up on guys too quickly. I do the same from time to time, but I can't help but think you're doing that to Barber. Ya'll know that I'm a big Barber supporter, so I have to stick to my guns. The guy is hurt and still tries to go out there. I think he could be huge for us this weekend...he's a product of the University of Minnesota. I think he'll want to put on a show. Don't give up on him yet.

                  That said... if we look to the draft, we should target a late round pick for Joique Bell!!! :D :D :D

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                  • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                    LL just said that people here give up on guys too quickly. I do the same from time to time, but I can't help but think you're doing that to Barber. Ya'll know that I'm a big Barber supporter, so I have to stick to my guns. The guy is hurt and still tries to go out there. I think he could be huge for us this weekend...he's a product of the University of Minnesota. I think he'll want to put on a show. Don't give up on him yet.

                    That said... if we look to the draft, we should target a late round pick for Joique Bell!!! :D :D :D
                    Don't get me wrong, i'm not giving up on the guy. I want him on the team, but not once all year did i see him play at a high level all game, which is kinda funny considering this year we went with a three running back rotation. And i'm probably the guy that takes the longest to give up on players. Roy Williams will be a stud, and i still have hope that one off-season some switch is gonna go off in Bobby Carpenter's head and he's gonna come in and be a 130 tackle a year guy. :(

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                    • Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                      Don't get me wrong, i'm not giving up on the guy. I want him on the team, but not once all year did i see him play at a high level all game, which is kinda funny considering this year we went with a three running back rotation. And i'm probably the guy that takes the longest to give up on players. Roy Williams will be a stud, and i still have hope that one off-season some switch is gonna go off in Bobby Carpenter's head and he's gonna come in and be a 130 tackle a year guy. :(
                      Leon Williams has a better chance of that!

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                      • Yeah, i know, but a man can dream!

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                        • I think the Jerry hate comes from the Jimmy situation. No matter what Jerry does, he'll always be known to fans, who were around then, as the idiot who ran off a coach who won two Super Bowls handily. I don't rage about it daily, but it still does suck when I think about it. Ah well you can't live in the past....unless the team sucks. Then you have to live in the past.
                          "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                          ~Nigerian Proverb

                          Da riddum is too much for you.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                          • Originally posted by E-Man View Post
                            I think the Jerry hate comes from the Jimmy situation. No matter what Jerry does, he'll always be known to fans, who were around then, as the idiot who ran off a coach who won two Super Bowls handily. I don't rage about it daily, but it still does suck when I think about it. Ah well you can't live in the past....unless the team sucks. Then you have to live in the past.
                            I think more people are upset that he got rid of Tom Landry than Jimmy Johnson.

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                            • I don't see anything wrong with getting rid of Landry. It was his time anyways. Jimmy was on the highest high you can get, and Jerry ****** things up. With Jimmy it's hard not to think about what could have been, while Landry was close to retirement anyway.
                              "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                              ~Nigerian Proverb

                              Da riddum is too much for you.
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                              • Originally posted by E-Man View Post
                                I think the Jerry hate comes from the Jimmy situation. No matter what Jerry does, he'll always be known to fans, who were around then, as the idiot who ran off a coach who won two Super Bowls handily. I don't rage about it daily, but it still does suck when I think about it. Ah well you can't live in the past....unless the team sucks. Then you have to live in the past.
                                Thing is Jerry never even really ran him off, they both had huge ego's and both felt like they were the reason for all the success that was here, and I mean it's not like we didn't win a SB after Jimmy left anyhow.


                                People love to hate on Jerry like a sport, I'm so used to that from Cowboys fan base now, it's one of the things that pisses me off about a majority of Cowboy fans. Look at the talent this team has, young talent none the less, people act like our team looks like the Chiefs or Rams sometimes I swear.


                                That's his job, to bring in talent, of course he makes terrible moves like trading for Roy, or Joey Galloway, but what's so funny is people always give him 100% credit for ****** moves and 0% credit for great moves.


                                Miles Austin? Oh that's all Bill Parcells. Tony Romo? Parcells. Jay Ratliff? Parcells. List goes on and on and on, any typical Jerry hater loves to bring up the bad picks, bad moves, the bust that didn't pan out, but will hand over the credit to the talent we do have to anyone else possible to make it seem like Jerry had no hand in doing it what so ever. I wonder who'll get the credit for Ogletree if he develops like Austin did.


                                We have plenty of youth on this team to grow around, and are one of the most talented teams in the league. Jerry swallowed his ego with TO, admitted mistake and look at where this team is right now. He didn't want to make a big splash in Fa like Snyder so he went out and got some of Wade's guys and guys who fit the scheme specifically for cheap.


                                When Sean Jones got signed quick, for more then Sensabaugh everyone was upset, then we got Sensy way less who has been 10x the player, same thing for losing Canty and getting Igor.


                                I'd love to know one GM who makes no mistakes in the draft or FA. Even the Pats have been drafting below average lately, how about the Steelers and their lack of secondary? They don't have ONE corner who can cover worth a damn, and outside of Troy their safeties are attrocious, our fanbase would be killing Jerry for letting that happen but the mighty Steelers and their perfect drafts somehow still manage to do everything right I guess.


                                In 2008 the Pats got a stud in Mayo, big whoop a top 10 pick will do that for you, outside of that they got a draft class full of bust probably. O'Connell in the 3rd was cut, the rest of the guys don't even play and some aren't even on the roster. In 07 they drafted ONE player again worth a damn, Merriweather, rest of that class was terrible. 2006 was pathetic, their best player was the bust Maroney who was probably the only bust out of every RB that went in the 1st round that year.


                                That's my point, is people love to trash Jerry for every little pick that doesn't go right, like there are teams out here who are making every pick correct. The Pats have 2 players they drafted to show for since 2006, not counting trades, and their regarded as one of the best run franchises period, but the meat of their drafts look like they are just picking names out of a hat.


                                I disagree with alot Jerry does, but anyone who consistently bashes Jerry to no end I pay no attention to, they obviously have some agenda and just don't like him for whatever reason and your going to get those guys everywhere. People act like Jerry has no clue what he's doing, but nobody wants to give him credit for anything, he may like to have more control and power then most owners/GM's but if you want to look at everything in hindsight and nitpick moves about what he did wrong you could do that for the Colts, Steelers, Pats and make them look alot better too.





                                Originally posted by Scott Wright
                                I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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