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  • Originally posted by thule View Post
    former defensive player of the year is going to be moved because he's been hurt? And trading a washed up RB to a team with 2 good RBs....please rethink that statement. This isn't madden.
    I didn't really know their rb's were good. Maybe Donald Brown. But Sanders hasn't played in almost two years. I guess I should go to the Colts board and see how high they are on Sanders still.

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    • Originally posted by crisco0710 View Post
      I didn't really know their rb's were good. Maybe Donald Brown. But Sanders hasn't played in almost two years. I guess I should go to the Colts board and see how high they are on Sanders still.
      And he just got a new deal if I'm not mistaken.

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      • Originally posted by thule View Post
        And he just got a new deal if I'm not mistaken.
        Ah, yeah it was a longshot even if it was possible. I was just talking to some friends about what they would like to happen and one of them mentioned Bob Sanders. I would definitely be down for that, but there are so many scenarios that are possible before that one.

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        • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          Guys.

          You didn't lose bc of Jason Garrett.

          You didn't lose bc of Tony Romo

          You didn't lose bc of Wade Phillips.



          You lost bc your oline got the **** kicked out of it. Thats why. You never had a chance to win that game with the way the oline played. Nothing you draw up will work when your oline plays like that. Nothing Romo or Garrett could do about that.

          And Wade's defense actually did a good job for most of the game until the game was already decided, so its not Wade's fault either.

          Having that said, I really hope you guys extend Wade Phillips.

          But congrats on a good season. You got the monkey off your back, thats a big step moving forward.

          This is all true, but it misses the heart of what cost us the game. Our team dominated the game in the early going. We moved the ball at will, we forced a 3-and-out on the first defensive possession, and we generally did whatever we wanted. Our first two drives were killed by stupid, ******* ridiculous mental errors. The first one came on 2nd and 10 from the Vikings 30 yard line. The Vikings called a stunt inside, running Ray Edwards into the right A-gap. Leonard Davis, instead of making contact with the guard lined up over him and continuing to read the action of the rest of the defenders, put his head down, leaned out and over committed to the DT who was now rushing the C gap on the outside of OT Marc Colombo. Off-balance and out of position, Davis was not able to pick up the crashing Edwards who blew Felix up 4 yards behind the line on the delayed draw. Looking at the play closely, every other block was executed perfectly and Felix would have ripped off a nice gain, either gaining the 1st or setting the offense up in the 3rd and short. Instead Dallas was left in 3rd and 14 from the 34. This is death to an offense, especially against a team with pass rushers like Minny has. This play set up a compromising down and distance, which led to the next mental mistake. Romo dropped back, couldn't find and an open man and felt compelled to get 3 or 4 yards running the ball to allow a more makeable FG rather than eating the ball and being forced to punt, while attempting to scramble he was hit and had not secured the ball as he had done so well all season long. Turnover.


          A 3rd mental mistake occurred on the next drive. 2nd and 5 from the 35, Dallas has been moving the ball without resistance, running and passing with equal success. Dallas calls a sweep right, early in the play it looks to be well blocked, with no "blow up" type penetration from the defense and excellent angles across the board for our blockers. Romo, coming back from center, simply drops the ball. Good snap, good blocking, good everything. Romo just drops it. Dallas is able to recover, but only after losing the down, the yardage and whatever gain we would have made with the successful blocking. Now facing 3rd and long, Dallas comes up one yard short on a pass to Miles Austin. The Romo fumble is the difference between 1st and 10 inside the 30 and facing 4th and one from the 31.

          The next mental error occurs on the next play. With all sorts of forward momentum, an offense that has been unstoppable up to this point, a running game that has shown early signs of establishing dominance on the edges and a kicking game that has been unreliable ALL SEASON LONG, this should be an easy call. 4th and 1, go get it and lets get some points. Instead Wade decides to go for the kick. This sequence of events plays out exactly the same as if the fumble had been recovered by Minnesota instead, leaving Minny with the ball on the 38 yard line. This is a turnover in essence.


          Here we are, almost a full quarter into the game, and Dallas has dominated thoroughly, but instead has no points to show for all of that.

          Next one comes 4 plays into the next drive. 2nd and 6 from the 46, Dallas is playing single safety deep, Sensabaugh has the deep coverage. Rice is going up the sideline. You're playing against Brett Favre. Anytime Brett has single coverage down the field against one of his best guys, he's going to put the ball in the air. Right? Sensabaugh makes the play, gets over to Rice in perfect position to intercept or at least deflect the ball. Instead, a weird sequence unfolds with Sensabaugh slowing up and looking as if he is in the Friday walk through as the ball comes RIGHT. DOWN. OVER. HIS. SHOULDER. and into the arms of Rice who takes the next two steps into the end zone, with Sensabaugh jogging into the end zone, NOT EVEN KNOWING THAT THE VIKINGS HAVE SCORED. One of the most bizarre plays in team history. Had Sensabaugh used the cues of the play and been aware of what the **** was going on around him, its either incomplete or intercepted. He's made that play all year long. Instead, its a 7-0 lead.

          The final mental error--and some will dispute this as just lack of execution or a "hey, what can you do" type of moment, but I consider it 100% lack of judgement and thus a mental error--came on 1st and goal from the Vikings 9 yard line. Cowboys have just posted their THIRD CONSECUTIVE LONG DRIVE. The Vikings could not stop them. Now they stand in perfect position to tie the game up and avoid having to play from behind. A TD is imperative. Instead, they take the field in the Razorback. A formation that hasn't worked well all season. A power funning formation against the best power-running D in the entire league, in a down and distance that demands some sort of ingenuity. Instead, it gets stuffed for no real gain and Dallas is now left in a definite pass situation with 2nd and goal from the 8. This is the first play where the pass rush actually impacted the game, as Colombo gets beat handily around the edge for a Romo sack and Dallas is left in an impossible 3rd and goal from the 15. FG, game over.


          Dallas was playing well enough to be up 21-0 early in the game. Key, unforced errors in key positions combined to derail each of those three drives. Romo wasn't getting pressured early in the game, and was able to find underneath passes. But when the other team gets out in a track meet and forces you to play from behind, that changes the game. The opposing pass rushers can now play the run on the way to the QB, and your running game is more of an annoyance than a real threat. The fact that our D came out on the next series and allowed the only real, true, died-in-the-wool long TD drive of the game of the game was a real back-breaker. Interesting that the key TD play was also a product of a mental mistake, as a Favre pump-fake on a nake bootleg was met with a ridiculous leap in the air by Marcus Spears--rather than the old school, follow-the-belt-buckle approach that every pass rusher is taught from birth--which allowed the old QB the room to get the pass off and score the TD.

          At that point, the pass rush took over and what BBD says was right. From that point in the game, our inability to protect our QB was never going to allow us to get back in it. The only chance we had was to force TOs of our own on D, and that has been a continual weakness of this team.

          It was just a microcosm of our year and the entire tenure of Wade Phillips. Key, stupid mistakes at the worst time, putting us in the hole and killing our chances to win. We had to get up early to win this game. We were clearly ready to do so, and clearly GOOD ENOUGH to do so, but one mental mistake after another killed us.
          Originally posted by 21ST
          He was protecting his self
          Originally posted by tjsunstein
          From what? His leg?
          Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
          That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
          "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

          DeMarcus Ware

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          • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
            This is all true, but it misses the heart of what cost us the game. Our team dominated the game in the early going. We moved the ball at will, we forced a 3-and-out on the first defensive possession, and we generally did whatever we wanted. Our first two drives were killed by stupid, ******* ridiculous mental errors. The first one came on 2nd and 10 from the Vikings 30 yard line. The Vikings called a stunt inside, running Ray Edwards into the right A-gap. Leonard Davis, instead of making contact with the guard lined up over him and continuing to read the action of the rest of the defenders, put his head down, leaned out and over committed to the DT who was now rushing the C gap on the outside of OT Marc Colombo. Off-balance and out of position, Davis was not able to pick up the crashing Edwards who blew Felix up 4 yards behind the line on the delayed draw. Looking at the play closely, every other block was executed perfectly and Felix would have ripped off a nice gain, either gaining the 1st or setting the offense up in the 3rd and short. Instead Dallas was left in 3rd and 14 from the 34. This is death to an offense, especially against a team with pass rushers like Minny has. This play set up a compromising down and distance, which led to the next mental mistake. Romo dropped back, couldn't find and an open man and felt compelled to get 3 or 4 yards running the ball to allow a more makeable FG rather than eating the ball and being forced to punt, while attempting to scramble he was hit and had not secured the ball as he had done so well all season long. Turnover.


            A 3rd mental mistake occurred on the next drive. 2nd and 5 from the 35, Dallas has been moving the ball without resistance, running and passing with equal success. Dallas calls a sweep right, early in the play it looks to be well blocked, with no "blow up" type penetration from the defense and excellent angles across the board for our blockers. Romo, coming back from center, simply drops the ball. Good snap, good blocking, good everything. Romo just drops it. Dallas is able to recover, but only after losing the down, the yardage and whatever gain we would have made with the successful blocking. Now facing 3rd and long, Dallas comes up one yard short on a pass to Miles Austin. The Romo fumble is the difference between 1st and 10 inside the 30 and facing 4th and one from the 31.

            The next mental error occurs on the next play. With all sorts of forward momentum, an offense that has been unstoppable up to this point, a running game that has shown early signs of establishing dominance on the edges and a kicking game that has been unreliable ALL SEASON LONG, this should be an easy call. 4th and 1, go get it and lets get some points. Instead Wade decides to go for the kick. This sequence of events plays out exactly the same as if the fumble had been recovered by Minnesota instead, leaving Minny with the ball on the 38 yard line. This is a turnover in essence.


            Here we are, almost a full quarter into the game, and Dallas has dominated thoroughly, but instead has no points to show for all of that.

            Next one comes 4 plays into the next drive. 2nd and 6 from the 46, Dallas is playing single safety deep, Sensabaugh has the deep coverage. Rice is going up the sideline. You're playing against Brett Favre. Anytime Brett has single coverage down the field against one of his best guys, he's going to put the ball in the air. Right? Sensabaugh makes the play, gets over to Rice in perfect position to intercept or at least deflect the ball. Instead, a weird sequence unfolds with Sensabaugh slowing up and looking as if he is in the Friday walk through as the ball comes RIGHT. DOWN. OVER. HIS. SHOULDER. and into the arms of Rice who takes the next two steps into the end zone, with Sensabaugh jogging into the end zone, NOT EVEN KNOWING THAT THE VIKINGS HAVE SCORED. One of the most bizarre plays in team history. Had Sensabaugh used the cues of the play and been aware of what the **** was going on around him, its either incomplete or intercepted. He's made that play all year long. Instead, its a 7-0 lead.

            The final mental error--and some will dispute this as just lack of execution or a "hey, what can you do" type of moment, but I consider it 100% lack of judgement and thus a mental error--came on 1st and goal from the Vikings 9 yard line. Cowboys have just posted their THIRD CONSECUTIVE LONG DRIVE. The Vikings could not stop them. Now they stand in perfect position to tie the game up and avoid having to play from behind. A TD is imperative. Instead, they take the field in the Razorback. A formation that hasn't worked well all season. A power funning formation against the best power-running D in the entire league, in a down and distance that demands some sort of ingenuity. Instead, it gets stuffed for no real gain and Dallas is now left in a definite pass situation with 2nd and goal from the 8. This is the first play where the pass rush actually impacted the game, as Colombo gets beat handily around the edge for a Romo sack and Dallas is left in an impossible 3rd and goal from the 15. FG, game over.


            Dallas was playing well enough to be up 21-0 early in the game. Key, unforced errors in key positions combined to derail each of those three drives. Romo wasn't getting pressured early in the game, and was able to find underneath passes. But when the other team gets out in a track meet and forces you to play from behind, that changes the game. The opposing pass rushers can now play the run on the way to the QB, and your running game is more of an annoyance than a real threat. The fact that our D came out on the next series and allowed the only real, true, died-in-the-wool long TD drive of the game of the game was a real back-breaker. Interesting that the key TD play was also a product of a mental mistake, as a Favre pump-fake on a nake bootleg was met with a ridiculous leap in the air by Marcus Spears--rather than the old school, follow-the-belt-buckle approach that every pass rusher is taught from birth--which allowed the old QB the room to get the pass off and score the TD.

            At that point, the pass rush took over and what BBD says was right. From that point in the game, our inability to protect our QB was never going to allow us to get back in it. The only chance we had was to force TOs of our own on D, and that has been a continual weakness of this team.

            It was just a microcosm of our year and the entire tenure of Wade Phillips. Key, stupid mistakes at the worst time, putting us in the hole and killing our chances to win. We had to get up early to win this game. We were clearly ready to do so, and clearly GOOD ENOUGH to do so, but one mental mistake after another killed us.
            Precisely. Good write up.

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            • Also don't forget that newman should jam that wr to allow sensy to get into position better. Another stupid mental lapse that should never happen. I'm not positive that Newman knew he should jam..but it's pretty conventional to jam a WR when you are playing under coverage to allow your over the top help to have time...and also to disrupt the timing so QBs like Farve can't eat that hole up inbetween the cb and s

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              • Losing Flo in the 2nd quarter was a devastating blow obviously and anybody that says otherwise like Jared Allen is an idiot. It is not a coincidence that his first sack came after Flo went out. I think I seriously could have played RT better than Marc Colombo yesterday. We need to make major upgrades to almost every position on the offensive line and secondary. Garrett didn't really help Tony or the line tho with his formations and play calls. Ultimately tho the players just have to be able to man up and block them.

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                • The problem is that we will have restrictions on how many free agents we can sign. We can't just go out and sign a bunch of guys. I think it's an overreaction to think we should or even can make "major upgrades". We are pretty much set with our players with a few exceptions.

                  The one guy I would like to pursue is Donald Penn. He's big money, but I think he's worth it. However, since we made the final 8, we can only sign a FA if we lose one. So I think we let some guys go just so we can make some signings. For example, we may need to let someone like Carp and Spears go so we can upgrade at other positions.
                  In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                  -Douglas MacArthur

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                  • Well you sure as hell can't just stand pat and not make some upgrades to some positions after getting exposed like that. That was pretty pathetic. We didn't even look like we deserved to be on the same field with them most of the game.

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                    • I didn't say we should stand pat. I simply said that it's not reasonable to think we can make "major upgrades" (your words, not mine) at "almost every position on the OL and secondary" (your words, not mine).

                      I think we may be able to make one significant signing on each of those units. Like maybe Donald Penn at OT and maybe Atogwe or someone like that.
                      In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                      -Douglas MacArthur

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                      • I know it is somewhat unrealistic for us to be able to address all of our needs through FA/draft. I'm just pointing out that there are numerous positions that could use improvement.

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                        • No doubt.

                          Would like to get some of you guys feedback on Donald Penn.
                          In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                          -Douglas MacArthur

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                          • I just remember him from when we played the Bucs a few times. I think he did fairly well against Ware if I remember correctly. I have an old sporting news scouting guide magazine that should have a brief scouting report on him.. I'll check that later.

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                            • There was a lot of good discussion in here, and I can't quote all of you so I won't quote any of you. But don't take it as a sign of disrespect, bc i never mean it that way.

                              Put it simply, it was just one of those games. It just makes you realize how hard it is to win a SB. You have to be firing on all cylinders every single playoff game, and thats damn hard to do.

                              It is what it is. I don't think any of you can be entirely disappointed with the season. The team has taken steps in the right direction, and has proven it can win with Romo.

                              When breaking down film, theres always 2 ways to look at any play. Either you notice the mistakes your team made on a bad play, or you notice the opposition make a great play. Our bias as fans make us look strictly at the mistakes that our team has made in the heat of the moment, bc we as fans feel that our team always beats itself. Its just the nature of being a fan.

                              But for every mistake made, the opposition made a play. Thats how it works. You hear it every game, players say the typical "they just made more plays than we did" line.

                              If you think about it, its true. No team ever plays a perfect game. Theres tons of errors in every game. We just notice the ones that stick out to us that hurt our team. But its an unfair way to look at a game, bc Im sure if we went back and looked at it from the Vikings perspective, they can say the same thing.

                              For every sack the Cowboys got on Favre, somebody screwed up an assignment or used bad technique and got beat. So it goes both ways.

                              As for adjustments by Garrett, listen, when youre getting whipped up front by 4 guys like that, no adjustments will work. Sure you can come out with 3 TEs, but then Frazier would just adjust and blitz. So he'd still get the same matchups and win those matchups. They'd adjust to your adjustments. And the results would be the same.

                              Screen passes? Doesn't mean much when 4 guys get to the passer like that.

                              Slants? Again, means nothing when you get 4 man pressures like that. It was just one of those games where the line got whipped up front.

                              The Cowboys moved the ball successfully before Flozell got hurt. Like DMW said, it was mistakes in the redzone that cost the team. So how is Garrett to blame for his oline going to crap when he got hurt? There was nothing he could do about that. The adjustments would get adjusted by the defense. He couldn't do a thing about that.

                              And don't forget, thats one hell of a dline you went against. They whipped the Giants oline up the same exact way the last week of the season. 4 man rushes getting there within 1.5 seconds. Granted, the Giants clearly quit on the season at that point, but the point remains, thats a bad ass dline and they can get after it.

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                              • Great input BBD

                                But just to go into this.

                                As for adjustments by Garrett, listen, when youre getting whipped up front by 4 guys like that, no adjustments will work. Sure you can come out with 3 TEs, but then Frazier would just adjust and blitz. So he'd still get the same matchups and win those matchups. They'd adjust to your adjustments. And the results would be the same.
                                No adjustments will work? That's not true and you know it. You can adjust anything to take advantage of something you see on the field. We aren't talking about a game that was out of hand. Hell think about this.

                                Dallas drove it's first three drives up and down. Some people will say this is because Flozell went down...I think it's because Fraizer who is a hell of a coach adjusted. Garrett didn't. Bob hit on it earlier...safeties came up...corners came up to the LOS to eliminate the quick pass...OLB shaded to the outside and the front 4 pressure got a little more time and Romo couldn't get the ball out as quick. Mix in a few mental mistakes and we were in situations where Romo was stuck between a rock and hard spot...he got flustered and got happy feet...one hoping passes he makes in his sleep....predetermining where he was going with the ball. Austin in tripple coverage on 3rd and 5 comes to mind.

                                My point is MN adjusted Garrett didn't. This is what great coordinators do. You have to be able to adjust on the fly. If the vikings shutdown the quick pass to the outside you have to adjust. Max protect...run a ******* screen. Run a 3 TE set and look for a matchup you can exploit.

                                Bottomline is you have to be able to adjust on the fly. Sure Fraizer can adjust again to stop the new stuff...but it should go back and forth...sometimes the defense will win and sometimes the offense will work...but Garrett didn't adjust and we might as well have not even played the last 3 quarters.

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